EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors

[Rienzphotoz]

I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,

The "new" 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor.

 

[simonxu11]

I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,

The "new" 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor.

It's still the same technology, of course there are certain modifications for the full frame sensor. Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did instead of spending time to modify APS-C's metering? ;D ;D Canon is a toothpaste company, squeeze little by little, and some consumers even defend for canon decisons, Y?

 

[Canon-F1]

Anyone reading this and being reminded of the 5dMKIII thread? I don't want more than 22mp, with the D800 smashing the mp and everyone absolutely slating the 5D.

And that all of those people who "slated" the 5D3 still haven't bought another new DSLR.

that would be me.

 

[sandymandy]

I heard Leica M digital only uses one zone instead of Canons 63. So what...

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,

The "new" 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor.

It's still the same technology, of course there are certain modifications for the full frame sensor. Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did instead of spending time to modify APS-C's metering? ;D ;D Canon is a toothpaste company, squeeze little by little, and some consumers even defend for canon decisons, Y?

I don't see why everyone here is getting so bent out of shape over a mid range DSLR? It's not as if we own the tech, Canon does. If you want to top Canon tech, buy a 5DIII or a 1DX....there's nothing stopping you other than cost. If you want cheap and cheerful, get a 100D....if you want sowmthing in the middle, there are lots of options. But just stop bitching that a particular camera in your price range doesn't have a particular chip or feature. No one expects Jaguar performance or features in a Ford mondeo....or do they?

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,

The "new" 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor.

It's still the same technology

Yeah right! : ... what's next? you gonna say Suziki Alto or KIA Picanto cars are same as a Mercedes? :

Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did

Bcoz Canon is not a copy cat company

Canon is a toothpaste company

OK, so why are you are so agitated about a toothpaste company? go buy the other brand on the dark side, it might help brighten up your mouth, I mean teeth ;D

 

[Marsu42]

So 18mp is completely overkill as it is, regardless of the competition.

Imho 18mp isn't overkill, but a good mp count - it allows for good print sizes even after a little cropping & perspective correction plus you can cut 4:3 and 16:9 from it an still have enough mp left. More mp is nice for macro though, higher magnification with a sharp lens at less aperture falloff.

 

[CarlTN]

It looks like I guessed correctly. I will now pat myself on the back! The 70D will NOT be getting a 24 MP sensor. Hopefully the "new" 18MP sensor will outshine the 5 year old one used in all crop bodies up to now. Time will tell...I doubt it will even be a full stop of improved noise performance at high ISO, however much they try to push the "native" ISO range.

As for my own needs...I am just going to go full frame, and keep my old XXD crop body. I'm emotionally attached to it now.

The 7D2, or whatever it will be called, should get something completely different in my opinion. I know it will likely still be a 1.6x crop sensor, so this is NOT prediction, just my wish. I say it should be a 1.2x crop sensor (larger than 1.3x but smaller than full frame), with pixel size equal to 26 or 27 megapixels on a full frame (so they would be ever so slightly smaller than the 1D4's...while the sensor is larger than 1.3x, with around 21-22 MP resolution). However, this would have the potential to be a 1DX killer for sports shooters, and would certainly be priced similar to a 1DX....it would be a 1 series body...so I guess really what I am talking about is a mythical "1D Mark 5", or "1DX2".

I do feel a future sports 1 series will go back to some kind of crop sensor, because reach is almost always preferred over wide angle, for sports. And the next generation high MP full frame 1 series is on the horizon, for studio and similar needs. I kind of agree with some of the sentiment from the Nikon trolls on here...the 1DX went full frame because Canon wasn't ready to introduce a high megapixel full frame 1 series body as early as they had wished to. The very large pixels of the 1DX certainly helped Canon climb to the top of the high ISO performance pile...at least with current bodies of "adequate" pixel count (meaning I'm calling a 12 MP full frame sensor inadequate in its resolution...even though the ISO noise is superior in the 6400 to 12,800 range).

 

[skycolt]

for me 1.6x is great. People can always go FF when they want large pixel size. But there is no very good crop sensor yet. Why feed people when they are already full.

It looks like I guessed correctly. I will now pat myself on the back! The 70D will NOT be getting a 24 MP sensor. Hopefully the "new" 18MP sensor will outshine the 5 year old one used in all crop bodies up to now. Time will tell...I doubt it will even be a full stop of improved noise performance at high ISO, however much they try to push the "native" ISO range.

As for my own needs...I am just going to go full frame, and keep my old XXD crop body. I'm emotionally attached to it now.

The 7D2, or whatever it will be called, should get something completely different in my opinion. I know it will likely still be a 1.6x crop sensor, so this is NOT prediction, just my wish. I say it should be a 1.2x crop sensor (larger than 1.3x but smaller than full frame), with pixel size equal to 26 or 27 megapixels on a full frame (so they would be ever so slightly smaller than the 1D4's...while the sensor is larger than 1.3x, with around 21-22 MP resolution). However, this would have the potential to be a 1DX killer for sports shooters, and would certainly be priced similar to a 1DX....it would be a 1 series body...so I guess really what I am talking about is a mythical "1D Mark 5", or "1DX2".

I do feel a future sports 1 series will go back to some kind of crop sensor, because reach is almost always preferred over wide angle, for sports. And the next generation high MP full frame 1 series is on the horizon, for studio and similar needs. I kind of agree with some of the sentiment from the Nikon trolls on here...the 1DX went full frame because Canon wasn't ready to introduce a high megapixel full frame 1 series body as early as they had wished to. The very large pixels of the 1DX certainly helped Canon climb to the top of the high ISO performance pile...at least with current bodies of "adequate" pixel count (meaning I'm calling a 12 MP full frame sensor inadequate in its resolution...even though the ISO noise is superior in the 6400 to 12,800 range).

 

[dswatson83]

For the last several years, megapixels have not mattered much unless you were printing big. But these days, screen resolution is catching up. 4k displays are on the horizon and 8k displays actually exist. In 2-3 years, I bet 2k displays are common place and 4k begin to pop up. An 18MP camera does not leave a bunch of room to crop if you displayed it on a 4k monitor or tv. TV displays are finally taking over prints. While most people do not print larger than a 8x10, there are a bunch of people with apple computers with 2880 pixel wide displays. While that still is not near 18mp, it's getting closer and if you crop much, you could hit that number fast. 18mp is the new minimum going forward.

 

[Diko]

.... 8k displays actually exist.

What would you use that for? Your eye can't make the difference... For a PRO - OK where a lot process can be executed on a HUGE SCREEN - only possible application.

For a simple display - NO WAY!

 

[Canon-F1]

18MP are enough for a canon camera.
if it would be a sony sensor then 24 MP are fine for APS-C but with canons current sensor technology that would be too much.

the problem is that canon does NOTHING to improve image quality on APS-C sensors.
instead they try to improve the hybrid AF.

but even that does not work well.
the hybrid AF in the 700D is not faster than the 650D hybrid AF.

and i bet the 70D will have the same sensor as the 700D.
again with a lower DXOmark than the 550D sensor.

that´s what canon calls progression or innovation. :

 

[simonxu11]

I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,

The "new" 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor.

It's still the same technology

Yeah right! : ... what's next? you gonna say Suziki Alto or KIA Picanto cars are same as a Mercedes? :

Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did

Bcoz Canon is not a copy cat company

Canon is a toothpaste company

OK, so why are you are so agitated about a toothpaste company? go buy the other brand on the dark side, it might help brighten up your mouth, I mean teeth ;D

Since when Suziki Alto, KIA Picanto and Mercedes are developped in the same company and share some same components, if not why you mention this
LOL.........not a copy cat company had an anoucenment for a firmware to offer clean HDMI out because of .........
Rienzphotoz told canon don't to be a copy cat company, so canon release a 700D without any worth mention updates to answer the competiton, but they copied their own product the 650D : :

 

[killerBEEcamaro]

I'm not mad at all if it's not the same 18MP. A brand new 18MP sensor is intriguing especially with a DIGIC 6 inside the 70D. I love my 60D, but so far the 70D is sounding like a true upgrade (new 18mp sensor and digic 6) hopefully with more!

Bring it on Canon!

 

[bardamu]

Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

 

[ragmanjin]

Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

That's the spirit!
I like to think Canon has one highly-trained monkey on staff who's paid to comb the forums here and take notes, slowly and steadily leading to new (note, monkey, ACTUALLY NEW!) better cameras in the future. Otherwise all our bitching's been for naught.

 

[ddashti]

Totally forgot about the 200-400, as if it was already announced. This doesn't make sense, unless Canon are waiting to announce with the 7D Mark II. I can see it happening.

 

[wickidwombat]

Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

I see you are already hitting your straps as team captain....

 

[CanNotYet]

I am for one hoping that the Digic 6 will in combination increase the useable ISO and speed on the 70D. 100-51200 (expandable to 102400) would be nice. As usual, that would mean that about 2 stops from the limit would be actually good, and 12800 could be used in a pinch, and the excellent levels upped to 3200-6400.

I am ofc not holding my breath...

But, 100-25600 (51200), 6400 in a pinch, 3200 still excellent I would think would be enough to get this 70D off the shelves. (1 stop over 7D, and DXOmark around 1600)

...still not holding my breath...

 

[Marsu42]

Totally forgot about the 200-400, as if it was already announced. This doesn't make sense, unless Canon are waiting to announce with the 7D Mark II. I can see it happening.

I don't somehow this will be an often sold combo - the 7d2 has the built-in 1.6x tc that makes it attractive for budget tele shots, but people who buy the heavy and expensive $10k 200-400 probably will buy a 5d3 or 1dx for it - otherwise you're only using the center piece of the excellent glass on crop, wasting money and weight.

I am for one hoping that the Digic 6 will in combination increase the useable ISO and speed on the 70D

Hardly - a faster cpu might do better jpeg noise reduction, but you're still better off shooting raw and doing selective nr in post. For iso/dr, the sensor is the component you'd have to upgrade, and Canon obviously either isn't willing or able to do it. The DIGIC6 might do better video af, faster video (1080p/60) or more fps though.