EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples

[cmh716]

So what are the thoughts of what the 5DMK4 will be? Essentially a 7DMII with a FF, higher MP sensor and a FPS of 6-8? Hmm, torn between waiting or sticking to APS-C for another several years. I rarely use my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS on my current 7D because it's too long and was considering moving to FF. Would love to see 5DMK4 with similar specs as 7DMK2.

 

[Viggo]

I flipped through the AF guide the other day, and people need to start really seeing how much awesomeness that has trickled down from the 1dX, plus new features. This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me. Superb AF coverage, must be the best coverage ever? And all the tuning you can to to the AF in the same way as the 1dX will open a brand new world for people not in the 1d market. I would be over the moon excited if I wasn't in the 1d crowd, and even now I can't wait to have a go.

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

It is going to be as huge as the original 7d.

-And buyers, PLEASE do read the AF guide and really understand how to make use of the AF system, because if you don't, you will miss out BIG TIME...

I saw the 7d2 also now can assign different AF settings to the AF-ON button and the *-button, and that is probably my most favorite feature of the 1dX.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

I would've guessed because not everyone is deliberately playing dumb and pretending the 70D didn't exist for a while and the IQ is equivalent to that.

It's better than the 70D - and I say that with the confidence of someone who actually owns a 70D, knows how to convert and process its high ISO files really well, and has been comparing it to the 7D Mk II Raws available on Imaging Resource (which I can also convert, in Photo Ninja) for a while now.

Sorry to be speaking from a position of actual first-hand experience and knowledge...

 

[Keith_Reeder]

What about low iso. My 7D is noisy at 100 iso. Any improvement?

Yes, as even a cursory effort to track down some 100 ISO 70D files online would have confirmed - the 70D is a ton better than the 7D at low ISO, and the 7D Mark II is an improvement on that.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

So what are the thoughts of what the 5DMK4 will be? Essentially a 7DMII with a FF, higher MP sensor and a FPS of 6-8? Hmm, torn between waiting or sticking to APS-C for another several years. I rarely use my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS on my current 7D because it's too long and was considering moving to FF. Would love to see 5DMK4 with similar specs as 7DMK2.

It is possible that 5D Mark IV has the same AF system of 7D Mark II. However, I doubt very much that will have more than 6 shots per second. I also doubt it will have more than 24 megapixel.

 

[garyknrd]

I flipped through the AF guide the other day, and people need to start really seeing how much awesomeness that has trickled down from the 1dX, plus new features. This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me. Superb AF coverage, must be the best coverage ever? And all the tuning you can to to the AF in the same way as the 1dX will open a brand new world for people not in the 1d market. I would be over the moon excited if I wasn't in the 1d crowd, and even now I can't wait to have a go.

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

It is going to be as huge as the original 7d.

-And buyers, PLEASE do read the AF guide and really understand how to make use of the AF system, because if you don't, you will miss out BIG TIME...

I saw the 7d2 also now can assign different AF settings to the AF-ON button and the *-button, and that is probably my most favorite feature of the 1dX.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

It's got the functions, but that is it. The AF module on the 1Dx and 5DII are light years ahead of the 7D II. I for one am very disappointed. Just because of that I will never buy one.

 

[Sporgon]

download this image at its largest original file (it's taken @ 6400 ISO),https://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoblogia/15255455365/in/set-72157647629974871when viewed at 33% in Photoshop it already starts to show high noise, at 50% is bad I KNOW is a crop camera and it as an improvement over the 7D, but after so many years?

That's ISO 6400 for heaven's sake. At 3200 it looks really impressive. Better than the 2009 FF 5DII infact.

 

[Marauder]

<p>Fotoblogia.pl has posted some sample images from the upcoming Canon EOS 7D Mark II. The images at ISO 3200 look pretty awesome to me, especially for APS-C. There’s not a lot of great imagery out there from the EOS 7D Mark II yet, so we should see even better results when the real world stuff comes out.</p>
<p>The initial reception to this camera based on specs was pretty tepid, which I didn’t understand. However, as the sample images and hands-on accounts have come out, there seems to be a pretty big shift to genuine excitement for the camera. I personally can’t wait to shoot some hockey with this camera come November.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/fotoblogia/sets/72157647629974871" target="_blank">View Sample Images</a></p>
<p><strong><strong>Canon EOS 7D Mark II $1799: <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1081808-REG/canon_9128b002_eos_7d_mark_ii.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296" target="_blank">B&H Photo</a> | <a href="http://www.adorama.com/ICA7DM2.html?KBID=64393" target="_blank">Adorama</a> | <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NEWZDRG/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00NEWZDRG&linkCode=as2&tag=canorumo-20&linkId=4IHYPE3ZKJN5VL4X" target="_blank">Amazon</a> | <a href="http://www.cameracanada.com/enet-cart/product.asp?pid=7dmarkii" target="_blank">Camera Canada</a></strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

I don't get the tepid reaction either...although it's primarily based on DRivel from what I've seen.

Personally, I think this camera will ROCK, at least for wildlife/sports shooters!

 

[2n10]

I flipped through the AF guide the other day, and people need to start really seeing how much awesomeness that has trickled down from the 1dX, plus new features. This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me. Superb AF coverage, must be the best coverage ever? And all the tuning you can to to the AF in the same way as the 1dX will open a brand new world for people not in the 1d market. I would be over the moon excited if I wasn't in the 1d crowd, and even now I can't wait to have a go.

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

It is going to be as huge as the original 7d.

-And buyers, PLEASE do read the AF guide and really understand how to make use of the AF system, because if you don't, you will miss out BIG TIME...

I saw the 7d2 also now can assign different AF settings to the AF-ON button and the *-button, and that is probably my most favorite feature of the 1dX.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

It's got the functions, but that is it. The AF module on the 1Dx and 5DII are light years ahead of the 7D II.

Do you have proof?

 

[Dylan777]

I flipped through the AF guide the other day, and people need to start really seeing how much awesomeness that has trickled down from the 1dX, plus new features. This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me. Superb AF coverage, must be the best coverage ever? And all the tuning you can to to the AF in the same way as the 1dX will open a brand new world for people not in the 1d market. I would be over the moon excited if I wasn't in the 1d crowd, and even now I can't wait to have a go.

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

It is going to be as huge as the original 7d.

-And buyers, PLEASE do read the AF guide and really understand how to make use of the AF system, because if you don't, you will miss out BIG TIME...

I saw the 7d2 also now can assign different AF settings to the AF-ON button and the *-button, and that is probably my most favorite feature of the 1dX.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

It's got the functions, but that is it. The AF module on the 1Dx and 5DII are light years ahead of the 7D II. I for one am very disappointed. Just because of that I will never buy one.

What are your expectations for 7D II?

 

[drmikeinpdx]

My theory for the tepid response

My theory for the tepid response: Most people who might be interested in the 7D also have experience with, or access to, full frame DSLRs. They are spoiled by the full frame image quality.

Someone once said that Canon's goal for the 7D2 was to make it so desirable that full frame owners would want to own an APS-C camera as their second body. While the 7D2 will appeal to limited groups, like sports photographers, I think it needs to demonstrate extremely good IQ to interest many pro and enthusiast photographers.

I'm waiting for the test images from DP Review. I always compare the crop sensor images with my current main camera, the 5D3, using the DP Review image comparison widget.

 

[Canon1]

Re: My theory for the tepid response

I'm waiting for the test images from DP Review. I always compare the crop sensor images with my current main camera, the 5D3, using the DP Review image comparison widget.

Don't hold your breath. It's been about 3 years since the 1DX was announced and they still have not taken test images for the widget or done a review on it. The 7DIII might be available by the time they get around to it.

Personally, I don't think that the response is all that tepid. There are just a few individuals who go for every opportunity to bash this camera that they have never even seen yet. I believe that those of us who are looking forward to this excellent camera (as a compliment to my FF 5D3 in my case) don't really care about arguing with those who have endless air for baseless complaining. While they continue to wear out their keyboards about how the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, we will be in the field producing excellent quality images with the POS cameras we stupidly purchased.

 

[Canon1]

I don't care how accurate the focus is if the RAW file is noisy at 1600 ISO and higher. Cleaning the noise will reduce the sharpness, so what good is it?

I disagree. I'd rather have in focus shots with noise to deal with over out of focus shots that had nice clean shadows. From a high ISO perspective, if this camera is what the 5D3 is to the 5D2, then I think it will be a substantial upgrade. Luminance noise is far easier to clean up in post and for me the 5D3 produced usable images at higher ISO than it's predecessor.

 

[Jordan23]

It's got the functions, but that is it. The AF module on the 1Dx and 5DII are light years ahead of the 7D II. I for one am very disappointed. Just because of that I will never buy one.

Do you say that because of the missing ability to link spot-metering to the selected AF point as in 1DX?
7D mk2 has exactly the same AI Servo AF algorithm as the 1DX.
In addition a new RGB + IR metering sensor with 150,000 pixels.

 

[Viggo]

...This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me....

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

A "game changer" for bif and wildlife? - I've taken tens of thousands of shots with my 7D and NONE of them were under fluorescent lights.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

I don't care how accurate the focus is if the RAW file is noisy at 1600 ISO and higher. Cleaning the noise will reduce the sharpness, so what good is it?

Do you think all people shoot the same as you, or do you think perhaps there are asport shooters that shoot exclusively in fluorecent environment? Cus I know a few of them, and I know what they feel about the flickering.

I never said game changer for bif and wildlife. I said it was superb if you're not in the high end 1d market. I said the anti flickering mode is a game changer, and it is.

And if you think a properly focused image gets as soft as a OOF shot with less noise, well then I don't what to say, other than you're doing it wrong.

 

[lol]

It's got the functions, but that is it. The AF module on the 1Dx and 5DII are light years ahead of the 7D II. I for one am very disappointed. Just because of that I will never buy one.

I presume that's the 5D3 not 2? The 5D3 AF was a disappointment to me as they decided not to include the metering sensor tracking assist from the 1D X, even if it has the rest of the stuff, that would have been the selling point to me. I suspect it would have put the 5D3 rather too close to the 1D X at the time. Thus for my uses at least, the 7D2 is on paper miles ahead of the 5D3. Of course, it remains to be proven in use. Anyway, now the precedent has been set, it seems likely the 5D4 will get a similar upgrade whenever that will be.

In general, I wonder if it would be fair to say those that like the 7D like the 7D2. If you didn't like the 7D for your uses, the 7D2 isn't likely to change that.

 

[raptor3x]

I never said game changer for bif and wildlife. I said it was superb if you're not in the high end 1d market. I said the anti flickering mode is a game changer, and it is.

I think it's hard to understand how big of a deal this is if you haven't shot indoor sports in crappy lighting.

 

[Lee Jay]

...This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me....

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...

A "game changer" for bif and wildlife? - I've taken tens of thousands of shots with my 7D and NONE of them were under fluorescent lights.

Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.

I don't care how accurate the focus is if the RAW file is noisy at 1600 ISO and higher. Cleaning the noise will reduce the sharpness, so what good is it?

Baloney. It would take a hell of a lot of noise reduction to reduce real resolution as much as a tiny bit of missed focus does.

 

[risc32]

I never said game changer for bif and wildlife. I said it was superb if you're not in the high end 1d market. I said the anti flickering mode is a game changer, and it is.

I think it's hard to understand how big of a deal this is if you haven't shot indoor sports in crappy lighting.

So it looks like Viggo and raptor3x are probably the only guys here(besides me, duh)who even know what this new feature cures. They say it cures it, but it's almost a fantasy that they are able to pull this off. Anyway it's good to know that out of the thousands of photo guys here, 3 guys(me included) know what the hell is going on.

 

[Lee Jay]

I never said game changer for bif and wildlife. I said it was superb if you're not in the high end 1d market. I said the anti flickering mode is a game changer, and it is.

I think it's hard to understand how big of a deal this is if you haven't shot indoor sports in crappy lighting.

So it looks like Viggo and raptor3x are probably the only guys here(besides me, duh)who even know what this new feature cures. They say it cures it, but it's almost a fantasy that they are able to pull this off. Anyway it's good to know that out of the thousands of photo guys here, 3 guys(me included) know what the hell is going on.

Four.