Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

[bitm2007]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It's 1:1 before sales taxes, that are applied to the US-Dollar price on a region by region basis.

 

[Joey]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It's 1:1 before sales taxes, that are applied to the US-Dollar price on a region by region basis.

How much are US sales taxes? 5%? 10%? I'm guessing they're not 25% anywhere - which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and EURO prices, or 50%, which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and UK prices.

 

[PureClassA]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It's 1:1 before sales taxes, that are applied to the US-Dollar price on a region by region basis.

How much are US sales taxes? 5%? 10%? I'm guessing they're not 25% anywhere - which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and EURO prices, or 50%, which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and UK prices.

Sales taxes no one in America will pay on this camera like everything else when you order it online at Amazon, BHPhoto, Adorama, ebay, etc....

 

[bcflood]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It's 1:1 before sales taxes, that are applied to the US-Dollar price on a region by region basis.

How much are US sales taxes? 5%? 10%? I'm guessing they're not 25% anywhere - which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and EURO prices, or 50%, which is what they'd have to be to explain the discrepancy between US prices and UK prices.

Sales taxes no one in America will pay on this camera like everything else when you order it online at Amazon, BHPhoto, Adorama, ebay, etc....

Unless you are in Indiana, where Amazon sales are taxed

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Seems kinda wonky that WITHOUT the low-pass filter it's more expensive. Don't they just put a regular piece of neutral optical glass in it's place to keep the sensor stack the same height? Or do they have to do something else that would increase costs?

My speculation is that it's about service cost, not production cost: lack of low-pass will cause problems for amateurs, which generates support calls and returns.

• The extra cost will cause amateurs to think twice, and maybe buy the more general-purpose device.
• If the amateur doesn't buy the lower-cost device, the $200 pays for the extra support costs.

 

[mackguyver]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Unless you are in Indiana, where Amazon sales are taxed

Florida, too, and lots of other states. Amazon gave up fighting for no sales tax and now is working with the states to collect it :'(. Since they started taxing in Florida, B&H has gotten 100% of my Canon orders.

 

[te1973]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

3500,- Euro - too much for a semi pro camera for my taste.
most probably build for 150k actuations only.
i think i prefer 1dx in the same price region - build for 400k, 18mp still enough for landscapes....

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

3500,- Euro - too much for a semi pro camera for my taste.
most probably build for 150k actuations only.
i think i prefer 1dx in the same price region - build for 400k, 18mp still enough for landscapes....

What, exactly, is "semi pro" about it? Pros are going to make lots of money using these. Lack of a 1D-class body does not, by any stretch of imagination, push a body out of the category of "pro."

 

[Light_Pilgrim]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Really....cannot remember when I so excited about the camera. 5Ds for 3500 USD....if this is true, I am taking it

 

[V8Beast]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It's because the standard of living in Europe is so much higher The U.S. will soon be a third-world country, but that's another subject entirely ;D

Seriously, though, I was expecting this body to be in the $4,000 to $4,500 USD range, so if this rumor holds true it's a pleasant surprise.

 

[xps]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

The first rumored prices (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) were not far away....

" ...the price of the Canon 5DS will be $ 3800, approximately 2,35968 rupees. Meanwhile Canon 5DS R version will cost $ 4300, approximately 2,67016 rupees...."


In my opinion, there is one BIG mistake in Mr. CRs posting.... the 4000$/4200$ will be 4000/4200 EURO (or something just a little bit lower). In Germany announced products are often priced $=€

 

[xps]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

It's because the standard of living in Europe is so much higher The U.S. will soon be a third-world country, but that's another subject entirely ;D

This is politically a little bit uncorrect

Seriously, though, I was expecting this body to be in the $4,000 to $4,500 USD range, so if this rumor holds true it's a pleasant surprise.


In some forums the 5Ds is mentioned as an "6D" of the high-MP bodies....
But let us see, how the first tests and experiences are....

 

[mackguyver]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

3500,- Euro - too much for a semi pro camera for my taste.
most probably build for 150k actuations only.
i think i prefer 1dx in the same price region - build for 400k, 18mp still enough for landscapes....

What, exactly, is "semi pro" about it? Pros are going to make lots of money using these. Lack of a 1D-class body does not, by any stretch of imagination, push a body out of the category of "pro."

So far Canon has classified the 5D series as semi-pro, so te1973 isn't wrong. To your point, however, there are lots of pros using Rebels, XXD, and 5D series bodies everyday to make a living.

 

[HoodlessShooter]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Pricing is based on the expectations of demand generated at a particular price point. Canon knows that even though every 5Ds will cost them the same amount to produce they have different expectations of the market demand for different regions. The U.S./North America is a very large market, and you have a higher number of people with incomes that can support purchasing products in this price class. This basically means that as the price goes down in small amounts in U.S. the more people will likely purchase a 5Ds in greater numbers. This is demand elasticity. Incomes in Europe are generally lower which are often more than made up for with higher levels of social services, but that is another topic entirely. The result is that in Europe there is less demand-elasticity, which means that even if Canon lowers the price by a couple hundred dollars(Euros) they won’t generate that many more sales, so Canon is financially better off leaving the pricing higher in Europe and several other markets.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Suddenly the 5DIII looks like much better value !

 

[PureClassA]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Unless you are in Indiana, where Amazon sales are taxed

Florida, too, and lots of other states. Amazon gave up fighting for no sales tax and now is working with the states to collect it :'(. Since they started taxing in Florida, B&H has gotten 100% of my Canon orders.

Well if the retailer is based in YOUR state...yeah. And places like Florida have gotten aggressive because they have no state income tax. Here in Louisiana, we have state income, sales, property (at the Parish level) and lots of Oil revenue. Less of a concern

 

[rfdesigner]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

In the UK all goods must be advertised WITH "taxes".. in our case it's call VAT (Value Added Tax) and it's a hefty 20%

If US prices are 20% less after exchange rates then it's just the VAT.

Of course.. there's always grey imports.

i.e.

official retailer:

http://www.jessops.com/online.store/categories/products/canon/eos-5d-mkiii-digital-slr-body-only-84404/show.html

grey import

http://www.hdewcameras.co.uk/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-body-961-p.asp

Both prices WITH VAT... just goes to show how much things are out of whack.

 

[xps]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Pricing is based on the expectations of demand generated at a particular price point. Canon knows that even though every 5Ds will cost them the same amount to produce they have different expectations of the market demand for different regions. The U.S./North America is a very large market, and you have a higher number of people with incomes that can support purchasing products in this price class. This basically means that as the price goes down in small amounts in U.S. the more people will likely purchase a 5Ds in greater numbers. This is demand elasticity. Incomes in Europe are generally lower which are often more than made up for with higher levels of social services, but that is another topic entirely. The result is that in Europe there is less demand-elasticity, which means that even if Canon lowers the price by a couple hundred dollars(Euros) they won’t generate that many more sales, so Canon is financially better off leaving the pricing higher in Europe and several other markets.

I agree....

 

[Freddie]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

Cost of doing business in the region.

Why is a hotel room more in London, Paris, ... than in a small city?

They also include the value added tax (VAT) in the price which can be quite substantial. North American prices do not include taxes which are lower anyway.

 

[xps]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

One remark:

Mr. CR writes on the front page of CR
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/the-new-canon-products-coming-february-6-2015/#more-18540

Canon EOS 5DS: €3,499
Canon EOS 5DS R: €3,699

He writes "€", not "$". Maybe the Us price will be cheaper - IF the leaked price comes from Europe.