Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

[bartoloman]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

The prices for the bodies are reasonable, so count me in if it's true (I've been waiting long enough). The price for the 11-24 is for me to steep. Let's see if it's worth the extra buck.

 

[Stu_bert]

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Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

Bet you that the brits pay more than the rest of Europe

 

[donn]

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...and it would be way more here in Norway! In Norway, though electronic devices costs more compared to other countries, we are very well protected by the consumer rights.

 

[rrcphoto]

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CR shouldn't have posted those USD conversions knowing they were totally wrong to start off with.

Someone needs to do a post-it note and hammer it into people's foreheads.

a) European prices include VAT which is atypically around 20%. No prices listed anywhere else include a sales tax, that is post sale added to the price everywhere else other than Europe / uk.
b) European consumer laws and rights are far more leaning to the consumer (cost of doing business is atypically higher) than in Canada or the united states. UK's are even more bizzare leaning towards the consumer (heck I don't even know why people even sell anything to people in the UK given how bizarre the rules are)

3500 Euro - 20% VAT = 2920 Euro = 3300 USD.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

CR shouldn't have posted those USD conversions knowing they were totally wrong to start off with.

Someone needs to do a post-it note and hammer it into people's foreheads.

a) European prices include VAT which is atypically around 20%. No prices listed anywhere else include a sales tax, that is post sale added to the price everywhere else other than Europe / uk.
b) European consumer laws and rights are far more leaning to the consumer (cost of doing business is atypically higher) than in Canada or the united states.

3500 Euro - 20% VAT = 2920 Euro = 3300 USD.

If that's true, then the price will be plenty competitive.

I can see a lot of these selling for $3300 USD at launch and then coming down to D810 price over time.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

The price elasticity argument is ficticious because Canon views Europe as a region based out of Holland. Pricing is based on purchasing power of retailers and in the UK for instance there is no retailers like B&H and Andorama and Canon margins for retailers are VERY slim. This however backfired when Jessops went bust as Canon lost its largest UK channel overnight (since partially re-opened)
Gray imports are rife on Ebay UK and the price difference between the online retailers with high street shops (price no difference!) is huge, plus they pretty much stick together pricing equipment. If gray imports can pay landed import duties, shipping & charge regular VAT this underlines Canon are gouging European consumers something B&H can stop happening in the US due to purchasing power.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

CR shouldn't have posted those USD conversions knowing they were totally wrong to start off with.

Someone needs to do a post-it note and hammer it into people's foreheads.

a) European prices include VAT which is atypically around 20%. No prices listed anywhere else include a sales tax, that is post sale added to the price everywhere else other than Europe / uk.
b) European consumer laws and rights are far more leaning to the consumer (cost of doing business is atypically higher) than in Canada or the united states.

3500 Euro - 20% VAT = 2920 Euro = 3300 USD.

If that's true, then the price will be plenty competitive.

I can see a lot of these selling for $3000 USD at launch and then coming down to D810 price over time.

it should be. the 5D Mark III came out at 270,000 it just so happened that back in 2012 that was well over 3K USD. if it came out now, that would be around 2300 USD.

Rumor was that the 5Ds was around 400K yen, or around 3400 USD - which is seemingly lining up.

 

[TMT]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Suddenly the 5DIII looks like much better value !

Seriously, I'll take two!

 

[Machaon]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

Why the hell are Euro prices the same as US-Dollar prices, while the exchange rate is far off parity?
This policy really makes me sick.
Are Europeans just willing to pay more, or how come that producers get away with a 1:1 rate??

It might have something to do with the incredibly generous European (or perhaps I should really say French!) labour rules, government taxes and welfare society. That way of life is paid for at the international trading post.

I say that as an Australian: our market in electronics is consistently priced well above the US, and that in spite of Free Trade Agreements with both the US and Japan.

I should add that these prices also reflect the cost of maintaining a support infrastructure in small or expensive markets.

 

[Machaon]

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What, exactly, is "semi pro" about it? Pros are going to make lots of money using these. Lack of a 1D-class body does not, by any stretch of imagination, push a body out of the category of "pro."

So far Canon has classified the 5D series as semi-pro, so te1973 isn't wrong. To your point, however, there are lots of pros using Rebels, XXD, and 5D series bodies everyday to make a living.

In other words, the term "semi-pro" is a brand, not a descriptor... someone needs to apply for a trademark. Semi-ProTM.

 

[SwnSng]

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At $3500 all i am waiting for is a good review before pulling the trigger. If it was 4k+ US I would have most likely waited until it dropped down in price unless of course it had reviews with descriptive words like "legendary", "heroic".

 

[Machaon]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

I just wonder....would this cause the 5D MKIV price to move up? :
For sure the 5D MK IV will adapt (a lot of) features of the 5DS (not the MP) and add some additional features...

I expect that Canon is pitching these cameras to very different niches at a similar price point.

I anticipate that the 5DIV will be at a similar price point to the 5DIII when it first came out, maybe inflated a little. The price is invariant of the feature set: the features are loaded to compete at that point. If they were pitching the camera at a higher price point, I suspect it would be rebranded with some safe number between 1D and 5D...

Things are getting pretty competitive out there, there's alot of great features to roll down from the 1Dx, and likely some amazing innovations to replace them in the 1DxII (or whatever it is). There may even be a novel sensor on the way. So the 5DIV could well be an incredible camera at a similar price.

 

[Sharp]

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Guys, you are all talking about pricing -- which i must admit, is interesting -- but. Am i the only one that wonder what the top plate look like (single buttons for iso, exposure mode, etc / vs dual features per button) or i missed the photo of the top plate?

I have about 3K$ per year to invest on my gears, and i am not yet ready to change my 5D3 (+gps +grip) for a 5DS R, but i admit i am tempted. The TSE24 was my first choice before "that" news!

 

[applecider]

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1dx is a pro body, the 5,6 7D are semi pro. M and SL 1 are amateur

My definition: a 1DX can only be carried by a PRO all day long....

Anyone can carry an M.


BTW the 1DX price especially at the ebay sites is really a deal, that if anything makes me think a refresh is sooner than later.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

What, exactly, is "semi pro" about it? Pros are going to make lots of money using these. Lack of a 1D-class body does not, by any stretch of imagination, push a body out of the category of "pro."

So far Canon has classified the 5D series as semi-pro, so te1973 isn't wrong. To your point, however, there are lots of pros using Rebels, XXD, and 5D series bodies everyday to make a living.

In other words, the term "semi-pro" is a brand, not a descriptor... someone needs to apply for a trademark. Semi-ProTM.

In the post by te1973 it was used as a descriptor. The quote was

3500,- Euro - too much for a semi pro camera for my taste

. So there is some lack of features that would allow it to be described as "pro," as a 1DX would be. I'm curious: what are they?

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

My definition: a 1DX can only be carried by a PRO all day long....

I'd be willing to bet 1000 quatloos that there are more true amateurs than pros who carry their 1DX all day long.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

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<p>PhotoRumors has posted the prices of the Canon EOS 5DS, EOS 5DS R and EF 11-24 f/4L USM in Euro.</p>
<ul>
<li>Canon EOS 5DS: €3,499 (around $4,000 USD)</li>
<li>Canon EOS 5DS R (no low-pass filter): €3,699 (around $4,200 USD)</li>
<li>Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999 (around $3,400 USD)</li>
</ul>
<p>I suspect the USD pricing will be directly the same as the Euro pricing, with the 5DS at $3499, the 5DS R at $3699 and the EF 11-24 f/4L USM at $2999. The rumoured pricing for the EF 11-24 f/4L USM has remained constant since <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-ef-11-24-f2-8l-coming-cr1/" target="_blank">first being revealed in the summer</a>.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://photorumors.com/2015/02/04/canon-eos-5ds-and-ef-11-24mm-f4l-usm-prices-revealed/#ixzz3QnZZXC" target="_blank">PhotoRumors</a>]</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

These prices have to eventually drop because the Nikon competitors (D810 and 12-24/4) are much less expensive that Canon prices

 

[Chapman Baxter]

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The price elasticity argument is ficticious because Canon views Europe as a region based out of Holland. Pricing is based on purchasing power of retailers and in the UK for instance there is no retailers like B&H and Andorama and Canon margins for retailers are VERY slim. This however backfired when Jessops went bust as Canon lost its largest UK channel overnight (since partially re-opened)
Gray imports are rife on Ebay UK and the price difference between the online retailers with high street shops (price no difference!) is huge, plus they pretty much stick together pricing equipment. If gray imports can pay landed import duties, shipping & charge regular VAT this underlines Canon are gouging European consumers something B&H can stop happening in the US due to purchasing power.

Grey imports from Hong Kong usually make it through UK customs without incurring VAT or, if the goods do happen to receive the attention of customs, the VAT is greatly reduced because most of the big HK retailers understate the value. Someone Who Isn't Me (SWIM) ordered a 6D at a cost of about £1,200 and the (well known) retailer fraudulently stated the price on the import paperwork as about £300. This retailer promises to refund to the customer any additional charges incurred so even if they had to fulfil that promise on the 6D, it would have cost them only £60. SWIM recommends avoiding HK retailers who send the goods by DHL, Fedex, etc. because they are much more diligent about customs processing. National postal services including Royal Mail are rarely interested in going through this extra hassle.

On a separate note, Tamron, Sigma etc. do not convert their dollar prices to pound prices on a 1:1 basis. Canon UK usually does. So the evidence does suggest that Canon is indeed milking UK consumers who buy through official channels.

 

[dolina]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

To put the rumored pricing of the 5DS R in perspective the medium format 40MP Pentax 645D sells for $4,500.

<p>PhotoRumors has posted the prices of the Canon EOS 5DS, EOS 5DS R and EF 11-24 f/4L USM in Euro.</p>
<ul>
<li>Canon EOS 5DS: €3,499 (around $4,000 USD)</li>
<li>Canon EOS 5DS R (no low-pass filter): €3,699 (around $4,200 USD)</li>
<li>Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999 (around $3,400 USD)</li>
</ul>
<p>I suspect the USD pricing will be directly the same as the Euro pricing, with the 5DS at $3499, the 5DS R at $3699 and the EF 11-24 f/4L USM at $2999. The rumoured pricing for the EF 11-24 f/4L USM has remained constant since <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-ef-11-24-f2-8l-coming-cr1/" target="_blank">first being revealed in the summer</a>.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://photorumors.com/2015/02/04/canon-eos-5ds-and-ef-11-24mm-f4l-usm-prices-revealed/#ixzz3QnZZXC" target="_blank">PhotoRumors</a>]</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[te1973]

Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed

guys - when I complained about 'only semi-pro level' I am referring to durability and building strength.
Featurewise it is quite OK and of course pro-level.
But if I really spend that much money I expect something like 1D durabilty (300k-400k).
I don't have a good feeling spending so much money and the body is only build for half the durabilty like the 1D somethings.