Everything We’ve Been Told About The Canon EOS R7 Mark II

Profit margin on the 5 series is likely considerably higher in general. They have room to cut the price for an ape-c equivalent.

Realistically I doubt any of these things cost more than 1k to manufacture
Usually for electronic goods manufacturing cost to selling prices ratio are between 3 to 4 but I don't know if it applies to cameras.
 
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I crop 90%+ of the time! But, for difficult BIF, flying dragonflies etc, I love the luxury of the wider angle of FF or if the bird gets too close before I can zoom out. Some of my best BIF shots have been close to the edges of FF as I have struggled to turn fast enough to get it in frame. For static shots, APS-C usually has no disadvantage most of the time for me.
I've noticed this for myself when I can get reasonably close, but I also consider myself quite terrible. Typically, a perched bird suddenly flies off and I can't turn fast enough or even worse: I decide the bird is happy where it is, move the camera to relax my eye and that will be the moment the bird flies off.
As poorly skilled as I am, according to the article, I'd be a birders. I'd never thought it before, but yes, I will actively look for birds when I hear them even if I don't have anything more than a phone at that moment. Knowing the likelihood of capturing a good image with the phone is near zero, I'll try anyway.
 
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So your opinion about a pub test might be as poor as your understanding of how polling is conducted?
I have been in lots of pubs but you don’t have to drink there to understand the ‘pub test’. I understand the maths in polling but also very cognizant of their limitations especially prior to political elections but that is a side issue.
Can we let it go now?
 
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I have been in lots of pubs but you don’t have to drink there to understand the ‘pub test’. I understand the maths in polling but also very cognizant of their limitations especially prior to political elections but that is a side issue.
Can we let it go now?
Not to prolong this, but just to add something I've just learned. Apparently, the "pub test" is an Australianism, reputedly introduced by your former Prime Minister, John Howard. Here's some choice ones we could slip in to confuse the Yanks: https://www.yha.com.au/travel-and-tours/traveller-stories/20-aussie-slang-phrases-you-need-to-know/

So, good onya, David!
 
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For a deep-dive into the study, including its methodology, you can read the publication at https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/f...onal-Survey_101223-accessible-single-page.pdf .

An addendum specific to birding was published at https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/f...-the-us-demographic-and-economic-analysis.pdf . They also provide a definition of "birder," viz.:

"Who is a birder? The Survey uses a conservative definition. To be counted as a birder, an individual must have either taken a trip one mile or more from home for the primary purpose of observing birds or closely observed or tried to identify birds around the home. Thus, people who happened to notice birds while they were mowing the lawn or picnicking at the beach were not counted as birders. Trips to zoos or observing captive birds did not qualify and were not tallied in the Survey."

Also note that not all birders are photographers. In fact, oftentimes when birding with a group I am the only one with a camera.

Now, back to R7MkII rumors.
Very well said. Though a good number of birders spend hundreds or even thousands on binoculars and spotting scopes. If you can convince some of that subset to pick up a camera and a long lens you have a new customer. It's just making the sale that has to be done.

I'm unsure if Canon wants to try to encourage birders to pick up cameras, though from a sales perspective it wouldn't be a bad idea to table at some of the birding get togethers such as the Cape May Fall or Cape May Spring festival. OM system had a table last year at the fall festival.
 
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I have a hard time believing they’d eliminate the mechanical shutter without also implementing a stacked sensor
DigitalCameraWorld Review of the Canon C50: "Speaking of the sensor, it’s a completely new one that’s been designed specifically for this camera. While it’s not a stacked design, its readout speed is fast enough for the camera to eschew a mechanical shutter entirely. This is evidenced both by the video framerates, which go up to full-width 4K 120p and 2K 180p in HFR mode, as well as the 40fps continuous shooting offered in stills mode."
 
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Same as what is a "professional". 96m birders in the US just seems to be a very big claim to make. Getting a quarter of the population to fill in a non-consequential survey doesn't pass the pub test IMO
Getting a quarter of the population to fill out a survey is not the way surveys are done. A representative sample of the population is chosen and surveyed. The percentage of the sample is then applied to the entire population. All polls are done this way and the accuracy is typically pretty good. Manufacturing QC is typically done in a similar way with a periodic sampling of units. Again, the error rate is typically quite low.
 
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Getting a quarter of the population to fill out a survey is not the way surveys are done. A representative sample of the population is chosen and surveyed. The percentage of the sample is then applied to the entire population. All polls are done this way and the accuracy is typically pretty good. Manufacturing QC is typically done in a similar way with a periodic sampling of units. Again, the error rate is typically quite low.
Yep, I got the maths but it is a massive claim to make and polls can have limitations…. Does the 96m sound right to you?
 
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Seems hard to believe... not least of which that 96m people would actually respond to a survey about birding.
That is more than all the voters for the republicans or separately, the democrats.

By their definition, I would be a birder because I have taken a few shots of Rainbow Lorikeets in my backyard as they love when our Grevillea are flowering.. Skittish and fast but very photogenic. Love how they twitter to their partner who is always close.
I may have been on one Puffin tour in Iceland 3 years (which was a blast) but I wouldn't call myself a birder.

There's no way they got 96M respondents to a survey. They're taking a small sample size that was gathered and extrapolating the results. The problem is that the sample was almost certainly not a random one. Most of the respondents probably saw a link to the survey ON A BIRDING ORIENTED website.
 
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It is hardly less accurate than people in a pub or on a forum spouting estimates on absolutely no basis whatsoever!

Put it this way. If you go to a bar to conduct a survey of what percentage of the population in a locale drinks alcoholic beverages, what to you think the results will be? Will they be representative of the entire population? Including those who would never darken the door of a bar?
 
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For a deep-dive into the study, including its methodology, you can read the publication at https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/f...onal-Survey_101223-accessible-single-page.pdf .

An addendum specific to birding was published at https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/f...-the-us-demographic-and-economic-analysis.pdf . They also provide a definition of "birder," viz.:

"Who is a birder? The Survey uses a conservative definition. To be counted as a birder, an individual must have either taken a trip one mile or more from home for the primary purpose of observing birds or closely observed or tried to identify birds around the home. Thus, people who happened to notice birds while they were mowing the lawn or picnicking at the beach were not counted as birders. Trips to zoos or observing captive birds did not qualify and were not tallied in the Survey."

Also note that not all birders are photographers. In fact, oftentimes when birding with a group I am the only one with a camera.

Now, back to R7MkII rumors.

The 1-in-3 number first quoted included those who only did home observing (less than 1 mile from where they live). For those who travelled at least one mile, the number is slightly less than half as many. By their own definition, a "birder" is someone who looks out the kitchen window while washing dishes and says, "I wonder what kind of bird that was that just flew by?"

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For those who travelled at least one mile, the number is slightly less than half as many. By their own definition, a "birder" is someone who looks out the kitchen window while washing dishes and says, "I wonder what kind of bird that was that just flew by?"
:ROFLMAO: Sorry. For someone that does leave the house with a camera to take photos of birds, this made me laugh.
 
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The 7D and 7DII were amazing sports & wildlife cameras. Rugged metal bodies and features on par or close to the top of the line 1D cameras of the time. I'd love an R camera in the same spirit. The R7 certainly did not feel that way to me.

The 7D Mark II was everything the 7D should have been. I shot field sports with the 7D for three years and had stopped using it in favor of a 5D Mark III which had much more consistent AF performance than the 7D. This meant using an older 5D Mark II instead of the Mark III for wide angle shots when shooting sports. The 5D Mark II has the same issue with AF inconsistency, but at wider angles and closer distances, slightly missed AF makes less of a difference. Plus I was shooting 1,500+ telephoto frames and a few dozen wide angle frames per game.

The original 7D had an Achilles heel with regard to frame-to-frame AF inconsistency, even in One Shot mode from a tripod shooting at stationary standardized targets. Let's not even talk about AI Servo and moving targets. My keeper rate with the 7D Mark II was much higher than with the original 7D using the same EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II lens. Roger Cicala agrees.

He also said the 7D Mark II has much better weather resistance than the original 7D.
 
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