High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]

[jasny]

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).

And you know this how????

how do you know it won't be a FF sized 7D2? Canon is very good at keeping secrets, yet those of us on rumours group always seem to know the answers.....

Guess only. Canon is probably struggling a little bit with Dual Pixel at the moment ( example: no DPAF 1080/60 in 7d2). One will need processing power comparable to 6 x DIGiC 6 inside high res FF body. And manufacturing high res DPAF sensor also won't be cheap.
Well, I do not underestimate Canon capabilities. They are surely able to create such monster. But who is gonna pay for that?

 

[dtaylor]

I bet on it being a Canon sensor. My guess is it will have the 5DIII AF System, and probably less than 4 fps.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I hope it has no less then 14 stops of noise free DR...so the DR fights can stop

 

[Lee Jay]

I bet on it being a Canon sensor. My guess is it will have the 5DIII AF System, and probably less than 4 fps.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I hope it has no less then 14 stops of noise free DR...so the DR fights can stop

Yes, I agree. The best application for extremely good base ISO DR is to make those that think that is an important parameter shut up.

 

[Don Haines]

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).

And you know this how????

how do you know it won't be a FF sized 7D2? Canon is very good at keeping secrets, yet those of us on rumours group always seem to know the answers.....

Guess only. Canon is probably struggling a little bit with Dual Pixel at the moment ( example: no DPAF 1080/60 in 7d2). One will need processing power comparable to 6 x DIGiC 6 inside high res FF body. And manufacturing high res DPAF sensor also won't be cheap.
Well, I do not underestimate Canon capabilities. They are surely able to create such monster. But who is gonna pay for that?

My guesses have been "somewhat less than accurate" It is very hard to know where a secretive company is going....

They appear to be moving away from the old 500nm production fab, so any new sensor would presumably be on the 180nm run, possibly the same pixel size as the 7D2... they seem to have the bugs out... I just can't see them designing a new "normal" sensor, but that's my guess, and as I said above, my guesses have been somewhat less than accurate.

I wonder how long before GPU style hardware is going to emerge in the Canon (and Sony, Nikon, etc) bodies... more computing power per watt and with a CPU/GPU computing architecture one could use the appropriate combination of algorithms and hardware to drastically speed things up... your 6Xdigic6 computing power could be easily obtained and possibly at lower power..... oh well, time will tell....

 

[justsomedude]

50MP...

gimmeh! 8)

 

[chauncey]

Yeah right...I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand...as I want it to be!

 

[jasny]

They appear to be moving away from the old 500nm production fab, so any new sensor would presumably be on the 180nm run, possibly the same pixel size as the 7D2... they seem to have the bugs out... I just can't see them designing a new "normal" sensor, but that's my guess, and as I said above, my guesses have been somewhat less than accurate.

Still there is no definite proof for Canon using new fab process for APS-C/FF. And using new process will (probably) make 46Mpix FF sensor even more expensive…

I wonder how long before GPU style hardware is going to emerge in the Canon (and Sony, Nikon, etc) bodies... more computing power per watt and with a CPU/GPU computing architecture one could use the appropriate combination of algorithms and hardware to drastically speed things up... your 6Xdigic6 computing power could be easily obtained and possibly at lower power..... oh well, time will tell....

Yes, theoreticaly it's not a problem. But will also require substantial investment (completely new architecture for sensors) and I'm not sure it is right time for that...

 

[lucuias]

All I wish canon came with a camera with higher dynamic range sensor.I don't need high resolution.

 

[RGF]

All I wish canon came with a camera with higher dynamic range sensor.I don't need high resolution.

Agree on increase in DR, modest increase in resolution would be nice but not as important as increase in DR.

 

[Lee Jay]

Still there is no definite proof for Canon using new fab process for APS-C/FF. And using new process will (probably) make 46Mpix FF sensor even more expensive…

There is some evidence that something has changed. The sensor in the 7DII has about 10% higher QE and about an order of magnitude lower dark current than any previous Canon sensor.

 

[raptor3x]

The 5DIII will be 3 years old in March next year. A move to 50MP will pretty much follow Moor´s law. That same law should indicate just over a doubling of its computing power and given the speed of new memory cards, we should a least expect a camera that could chew 50MP at a slightly higher speed than the 5DIII and thus see at least 6, probably 8 fps.

If it was following Moore's law and we have a period of 36 months between releases, then we'd expect to see a ~88MP camera, not a ~44MP camera if we also assume that pixel count scales like transistor count.

 

[ahsanford]

Sir, I do not think, that Conon will release an "bad-sensored" camerabody. Maybe the IQ is not the the IQ you get from the Nikon D800E or Sony A7 36MP. I hope - it will be on an equal level like the IQ of todays Canon products.
Just think of, what will happen to Canon if this Camera is rubbish? They will never release an under-average product.
Maybe it took so long to developa an good high MP sensor.

Wasn't that what the EOS-M was considered to be by many... even Canon themselves(recently)?

EOS-M was only under-average on AF ...and corporate support of the basic idea. The IQ is actually quite good and I think APS-C is not a terrible call to split the difference between the mirrorless world that wants everything made smaller and the mirrorless world that wants best possible IQ. They clearly need products for both camps, but APS-C is not a terrible starting point and the EOS-M could have been successful as a result.

But I still don't think Canon has launched a mirrorless system until they give us a @#$%ing EVF and more than two native lenses to choose from at B&H. The embarrassment of the EOS-M is not the product so much as Canon pushing a ship in flames out of port with a vague intention to 'put that fire out soon'.

- A

 

[DarkKnightNine]

This is definitely a camera I would be interested in for my studio.
I've been looking at a lot of Medium Format systems for the past few months and have been disappointed with the trade-offs of upgrading to a MF system. If I can get close to MF resolution but still have the benefits of 35mm system like familiar ergonomics, light weight, weather sealing, fast AF with multiple points, etc... I'm sold.

 

[ahsanford]

It always nice to see CR3. At this moment in my life, I just don't see myself owing 50MP camera. I'm sure there plenty shooters out there are in need for high MP body. Good days are ahead of us....

I love seeing CR3's as well, Dylan.

But a CR3 for 'FF + not gripped + 50 MP + 2015' is not far off from saying "Canon is working on new products for the future [CR3]". I really need just one more level of detail to get excited about this, something like any one of these things:

• The event it will likely be announced at
• Who is making the sensor
• Is this a camera for landscapers or studio folks
• it will be new sensor tech to dramatically increase low ISO DR

I love this site and think they have a good track record in a world rumor mongers who often swing and miss, but this isn't a rumor so much as a broad read on what's coming. I'll get excited at that next level of detail.

- A

 

[epsiloneri]

The 5DIII will be 3 years old in March next year. A move to 50MP will pretty much follow Moor´s law.

Camera resolution has historically increased way slower than Moore's law. Canon 10D had 6.3 MP in 2003. Following Moore's law, we should have GP-cameras by now. This is the reason I find complaints about too many MPs due to limited computer resources exaggerated. Relatively speaking, we have more than 50x more computer performance (memory, storage, GFLOPS...) per MP than we had in 2003.

 

[raptor3x]

Sir, I do not think, that Conon will release an "bad-sensored" camerabody. Maybe the IQ is not the the IQ you get from the Nikon D800E or Sony A7 36MP. I hope - it will be on an equal level like the IQ of todays Canon products.
Just think of, what will happen to Canon if this Camera is rubbish? They will never release an under-average product.
Maybe it took so long to developa an good high MP sensor.

Wasn't that what the EOS-M was considered to be by many... even Canon themselves(recently)?

EOS-M was only under-average on AF ...and corporate support of the basic idea. The IQ is actually quite good and I think APS-C is not a terrible call to split the difference between the mirrorless world that wants everything made smaller and the mirrorless world that wants best possible IQ. They clearly need products for both camps, but APS-C is not a terrible starting point and the EOS-M could have been successful as a result.

But I still don't think Canon has launched a mirrorless system until they give us a @#$%ing EVF and more than two native lenses to choose from at B&H. The embarrassment of the EOS-M is not the product so much as Canon pushing a ship in flames out of port with a vague intention to 'put that fire out soon'.

- A

That 22mm pancake is one hell of a lens.

 

[The Flasher]

No AA filter, dual, identical card slots please, and if it's aimed at the studio, articulating touch screen as well.

I'd also love a button that turns on the on-screen client-hypnosis swirl wheel - it would be a battery drain so I'd only use it on problem clients.

Cheers.

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

The last time I remember them doing anything that significant was adding radio to the 600EX-RT Flashes, but even that was half-assed because they took away optical IR for no particular reason.

I think the 600EX has both radio and IR.

 

[ahsanford]

But I still don't think Canon has launched a mirrorless system until they give us a @#$%ing EVF and more than two native lenses to choose from at B&H. The embarrassment of the EOS-M is not the product so much as Canon pushing a ship in flames out of port with a vague intention to 'put that fire out soon'.

- A

That 22mm pancake is one hell of a lens of the two we get to choose from.

I'll edit your sentence above. : I stand behind the original argument.

I agree with you completely (it's a great lens), but that's like enjoying your new car... that doesn't have brakes or any gears above second. EOS-M is super-high IQ point and shoot that happens to have a removable lens mount for some reason. But until the EVF and native EF-M glass comes forward, it's DOA competitively as a standalone system.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

Still there is no definite proof for Canon using new fab process for APS-C/FF. And using new process will (probably) make 46Mpix FF sensor even more expensive…

There is some evidence that something has changed. The sensor in the 7DII has about 10% higher QE and about an order of magnitude lower dark current than any previous Canon sensor.

EXACTLY!!!!
Finer lithography is the most likely reason for the increased quantum efficiency...
your 4 micron pixels with a 500nm process has 76 percent usable area...
your 4 micron pixels with a 180nm process and DPAF has 87 percent usable area...

There's your 10 percent gain....

Finer lithography means less heat and there's your improvement in dark current ( or at least some of it)