How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?

[Iron Man]

Hello everyone, first post here.

What would I like to see on a replacement 5D4

To put the camera on a tripod, press a button and the camera will know what I want to shoot and never miss the shot...............................
........................................... but in the meantime....

1. A few more megapixles may be nice, up to 28mp
2. GPS (think this will be a given)
3. Multi spot average metering (avail on the 1Dx, and this is supposed to be a pro camera too)
4. Ditching of the slow SD card reader, so Dual CF (not many people have the new Cfast card's, but plenty of the others)
5. GET RID OF VIDEO FUNCTIONS, that's the domain of video recorders.
6. Not bothered about super high iso, but make it better up to 6400.
7. More DR is alway's welcomed.
8. Integrated st-e3-rt would be welcomed.

not interested in wifi - don't want anyone finding a way to hack into it and put nikon firmware on it ;D

 

[123Photog]

4. Ditching of the slow SD card reader, so Dual CF (not many people have the new Cfast card's, but plenty of the others)

SD cards are doing ~250MB/s write speeds today.
you need CFast 2.0 to significantly beat that.

 

[Iron Man]

SD cards are doing ~250MB/s write speeds today.
you need CFast 2.0 to significantly beat that.

Yes, that's true - but at £850 for a 128GB card - they can stick it were the sun don't shine I'm afraid. Maybe in a few years when the price is more sensible.

 

[Orangutan]

While I would like to see these improvements, remember that Canon's marketing department has done a great job of anticipating overall consumer demand. I think that tells us that the current market for the 5-series is wedding/event photographers and amateurs. For both of these groups, it's far more important to increase the keeper-rate than to give the studio or landscape specialist a tool for producing images under specific conditions.

As tempting as it is to criticize Canon for their lagging low-ISO sensors, it's equally valid to criticize all the other manufacturers for their lagging AF and other features. Nikon seems to have found the "truth" with the D810's AF system.

But wouldn´t you say the AF is good enough now, when they include a slightly enhanced 1DX AF in the 5D MK4?

I haven't used a 5D, so I don't know. I suppose there's always a way to improve it with face-tracking, etc. Of course, being a financially-astute company, they may also believe that "good enough" means lower cost on the 5D4; this could translate to higher profits or to more competitive pricing.

So canon could focus on other things, make the rest of the customers happy?

How many of those are there? Is it worth the cost? I've said multiple times that Canon is fully capable of competitive sensor tech when the market demands it. Yes, they could turn their attention to sensors, but will the profit justify the costs? I'd like them to do so, but they haven't asked me...

 

[Orangutan]

Hello everyone, first post here.

What would I like to see on a replacement 5D4

To put the camera on a tripod, press a button and the camera will know what I want to shoot and never miss the shot...............................
........................................... but in the meantime....

1. A few more megapixles may be nice, up to 28mp
2. GPS (think this will be a given)
3. Multi spot average metering (avail on the 1Dx, and this is supposed to be a pro camera too)
4. Ditching of the slow SD card reader, so Dual CF (not many people have the new Cfast card's, but plenty of the others)
5. GET RID OF VIDEO FUNCTIONS, that's the domain of video recorders. NOT GONNA HAPPEN
6. Not bothered about super high iso, but make it better up to 6400. NOT GONNA HAPPPEN
7. More DR is alway's welcomed.
8. Integrated st-e3-rt would be welcomed.

not interested in wifi - don't want anyone finding a way to hack into it and put nikon firmware on it ;D

You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position. Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

Well, fortunately for anyone who wants the smaller number of pixels, I'm _not_ in charge and from the way Canon seems to be headed, you'll easily have your wish granted.

FWIW, just about any lens made will out-resolve a 50mpixel sensor down through f/11.

Salesmen down at the local camera shop have been saying "You realize you'll need better lenses to take advantage of that new/bigger sensor, don't you?" Every single time nothing could have been further from the truth.

When I pointed out to them that optical physics and the present (rather good) state of A/D electronics put sensors (and formerly film) in the position of limiting resolution, they changed their tune. Until I walked away from the counter. It comes down to the fact they want to sell more lenses. Fear and ignorance will do it every time.

... When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

-Higher detail in video mode. That's my only complaint on the 5D video, it's gorgeous and better than most of the competition but only falls short in resolutiom. Do it either by making it 4K and we downsample in post or just make it perfect 1080p like the C100.
-A7s ISO performance but not below 20MP
-Peaking/Zebras/Waveform monitor/raw histogram/ basically the ML stuff
-All the 7D mk II improvements in meteting/AF/DPAF/Antiflicker/and all the good stuff

 

[123Photog]

I don´t need/want 50MP but 32MP would be great.

And if you ask me you can put even more on the sensor, get rid of the AA filter, when you oversample in camera.

 

[tculotta]

Quoting lo lite: "When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!"

Niche? I would venture that a fairly high percentage of users of a 5D Mk. IV shoot enough scenics and landscapes to relish the idea of ~36 MP. However, a split or divergence in the Canon line to support landscape/ high MP users vs. the crowd you advocate for may not be out of line.

 

[Orangutan]

Well, fortunately for anyone who wants the smaller number of pixels, I'm _not_ in charge and from the way Canon seems to be headed, you'll easily have your wish granted.

FWIW, just about any lens made will out-resolve a 50mpixel sensor down through f/11.

Salesmen down at the local camera shop have been saying "You realize you'll need better lenses to take advantage of that new/bigger sensor, don't you?" Every single time nothing could have been further from the truth.

When I pointed out to them that optical physics and the present (rather good) state of A/D electronics put sensors (and formerly film) in the position of limiting resolution, they changed their tune. Until I walked away from the counter. It comes down to the fact they want to sell more lenses. Fear and ignorance will do it every time.

... When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!

You and jrista should chat about this. ;D

 

[Orangutan]

Niche? I would venture that a fairly high percentage of users of a 5D Mk. IV shoot enough scenics and landscapes to relish the idea of ~36 MP. However, a split or divergence in the Canon line to support landscape/ high MP users vs. the crowd you advocate for may not be out of line.

"relish" does not equal $$$ Until they relish it enough to forgo their tranya to pay for it, 36MP won't make it into the 5D4.

 

[docsmith]

Well, I think this thread is a perfect illustration as to why not everyone is going to be happy no matter what Canon decides to do with the 5DIV.

As for me, it is pretty much the standard:

• 24-28 MP (used)
• a few more stops DR (less shadow/dark noise)
• cleaner low and high ISO
• 8-9 fps
• Better battery for faster AF
• All cross type AF points, with better spread
• Improved color and tone sensitivity
• Dual CF card slots
• Built in intervalometer

 

[Dylan777]

Nice list guys. Keep on dreaming ;D

 

[Iron Man]

You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position. Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

No I'm not - the original 5D did not have video functionality, so I would like to go back to that. People who want high quality video has the 1D C available (and that already supports 4K shooting).

I'm under no illusions that Canon would ever bow to a few people who would like 1 DSLR without video features, but there's nothing wrong with hoping...........

 

[123Photog]

You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position. Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

No I'm not - the original 5D did not have video functionality, so I would like to go back to that. People who want high quality video has the 1D C available (and that already supports 4K shooting).

or Canon could make it film camera and include a drum scanner....

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

I know. I know.

Rather, I'd suggest that jrista to talk with several people first. He'll need an optical physicist, a scientist who works for AMD or Intel on their mask processes, and perhaps an engineer from an optical group that makes "things" for the Three Letter Agencies.

Then he'd have a little background for the evidence which shows very clearly where his arguments could use a little updating. ;D ;D ;D

Well, fortunately for anyone who wants the smaller number of pixels, I'm _not_ in charge and from the way Canon seems to be headed, you'll easily have your wish granted.

FWIW, just about any lens made will out-resolve a 50mpixel sensor down through f/11.

Salesmen down at the local camera shop have been saying "You realize you'll need better lenses to take advantage of that new/bigger sensor, don't you?" Every single time nothing could have been further from the truth.

When I pointed out to them that optical physics and the present (rather good) state of A/D electronics put sensors (and formerly film) in the position of limiting resolution, they changed their tune. Until I walked away from the counter. It comes down to the fact they want to sell more lenses. Fear and ignorance will do it every time.

... When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!

You and jrista should chat about this. ;D

 

[Orangutan]

You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position. Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

No I'm not - the original 5D did not have video functionality, so I would like to go back to that. People who want high quality video has the 1D C available (and that already supports 4K shooting).

I'm under no illusions that Canon would ever bow to a few people who would like 1 DSLR without video features, but there's nothing wrong with hoping...........

This has been hashed out on previous threads, you may want to go back and look. The (not universal) consensus is that a camera without video will not sell well-enough. The Nikon Df was the poster child for this.

Besides, video is nearly free: it has not much impact on the overall design of the camera. As soon as you have LiveView, you just record that and you have video. Video is not going away.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

As someone who uses Canon DSLRs 90% of the time for video, I am very frowny on those requesting the removal of video from the next 5D. I mean why? I would never request they take away the stills function for example, i still like having it for those 10%!

 

[LookingThroughMyLens81]

My biggest complaints about the 5D3 are the weight and lack of "modes" coupled with a crippled SD slot. It's a heavy, bulky camera and it isn't fun for me to use because it weighs so much with the battery grip. I would love to see a "Sport/Action" mode as well as a "Portrait" mode for the next 5D but I don't see that happening. I'll likely buy the new 7D2 and use it as my main shooter since I shoot mostly Sports/Action stuff. As for the SD slot, that one speaks for itself and we don't need to rehash it. Compact Flash is just not user-friendly any more since stores stopped carrying the good cards and it's a very expensive format compared to current SDXC cards.

 

[dancook]

I want a hybrid viewfinder, so I can use EVF with manual assists