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[privatebydesign]

I'm bored and don't have the time. I shoot 20mp and print to 24" x 36", I know how to compare it to a 50mp image. I know what to look at and I know the definition of comparison. I output photos not theories.

Have at it my friend you can have the last word even if it is garbage.

 

[Quackator]

For who?
For the type of video the average stills photographer takes it's no problem at all.

Remember "Reverie" by Vincent Laforet? The video that kicked
off DSLR driven videography with the 5D MkII 12 years ago?

You wouldn't be able to run this production today without multiple
overheating events.

You'd be hard pressed to even fit a regular fashion show into
the overheating time frame.

Looking at the productions I have used 5D and 1D class cameras
in, about 80% of them would have run into crippling overheating issues,
ultimately losing important shots.

 

[SteveC]

Remember "Reverie" by Vincent Laforet? The video that kicked
off DSLR driven videography with the 5D MkII 12 years ago?

You wouldn't be able to run this production today without multiple
overheating events.

You'd be hard pressed to even fit a regular fashion show into
the overheating time frame.

Looking at the productions I have used 5D and 1D class cameras
in, about 80% of them would have run into crippling overheating issues,
ultimately losing important shots.

Really? Whatever mode was used 12 years ago, would overheat on the R5 today?

 

[Bert63]

Remember "Reverie" by Vincent Laforet? The video that kicked
off DSLR driven videography with the 5D MkII 12 years ago?

You wouldn't be able to run this production today without multiple
overheating events.

You'd be hard pressed to even fit a regular fashion show into
the overheating time frame.

Looking at the productions I have used 5D and 1D class cameras
in, about 80% of them would have run into crippling overheating issues,
ultimately losing important shots.

I've never heard of Reverie, but in 2008 I don't think you'd have had a problem because the highest resolution back in those days was what? 720P? 1080i? 1080P? Why wouldn't you be able to do it?

Like I said and stand by - for the average stills photographer the video capabilities of the R5 are fine. You're talking videography and making movies etc. The average stills photographer doesn't do that - at least none that I know. We take pictures - we don't make movies.

Don't know what to tell you. With the new Sony overheating videos posted today it looks like the new video king from Sony isn't immune either. Maybe if a professional production is what you're intending a professional video camera may be the only answer.

For me it a couldn't be more of a non-issue.

 

[Quackator]

Really? Whatever mode was used 12 years ago, would overheat on the R5 today?

It's not the mode, it is the length of operating time.
Obviously the R5 can overheat even in Full HD modes,
and you don't want that to happen while you are hanging
out of a helicopter or filming a car scene with the camera
mounted on the hood.

Here's "Reverie":

 

[Quackator]

Like I said and stand by - for the average stills photographer the video
capabilities of the R5 are fine. You're talking videography and making
movies etc. The average stills photographer doesn't do that - at least
none that I know.

With the advent of the 5D MkII, people started to ask about video
parallel to photo, and that increased every year. People want the
shallow depth of field and cost-effective production that modern
cameras with both stills und video capabilities offer.

I operate two professional rental studios, and for quite some time
we haven't seen a single production that doesn't have at least one
if not several social media teams along the photo team, and they
often use the same cameras so they can share lenses and accessories.

On top of the two studios, I have a rental business with more than
100,000 Ws studio flash and high end LED light from Dedo, Ledgo,
Nanlite, Aputure, Aladin. It is very likely that I know more professionals
than you do, and i see them working. The majority of my customers
uses one certain model camera for both stills and video, some have
a dedicated video camera on top. Their main camera today is always
one that can do both stills and video, and is used for both.

Now with brother Covid lurking around the corner, many people
resort to streaming or videomaking to make up for the losses in
live events and still be seen and heard. They use the camera at hand.

A camera that produces hard stops in a production due to
overheating is simply not state of the art anymore.

 

[SteveC]

It's not the mode, it is the length of operating time.
Obviously the R5 can overheat even in Full HD modes,
and you don't want that to happen while you are hanging
out of a helicopter or filming a car scene with the camera
mounted on the hood.

Here's "Reverie":

Showing me the video again isn't an argument.

Have we established that the R5 would absolutely overheat shooting in the same mode, and under the same conditions, as the camera that took this video? ("the R5 can overheat even in Full HD modes" doesn't mean it would have shooting this video; Canon is going to cover its ass for people who take the thing to Death Valley in August and don't shade it then complain about how it overheated unexpectedly. They've warned about overheating in past cameras as well. that doesn't mean they'd overheat during a music video, and it doesn't mean this one will either.)

Was the camera that took this video a DSLR, or was it a full cinema camera? Comparing this camera to a full cinema camera is an injustice, even one from ten years ago, since those will have taken far more steps to keep their cool.

Convince me you're actually comparing apples to apples, and you might have a point.

 

[Quackator]

Showing me the video again isn't an argument.

You said you were not aware of it, so this was your chance to get into the ballpark.

Have we established that the R5 would absolutely overheat shooting in the
same mode, and under the same conditions, as the camera that took this video?
("the R5 can overheat even in Full HD modes" doesn't mean it would have
shooting this video;

Reverie was shot at 1080p30, that was all the 5D MkII was capable of twelve
years ago. I don't think it is unrealistic to expect a current camera to shoot
at least 1080p60 without overheating today. More likely 1080p120 or DCI4k60,
for some headroom in speed ramping and of course in 10 bit RAW.

But let's look at the most basic requirement: Do you think it would be unfair to
ask that a current camera can do at least what the last generation from four
years ago can do?

So, the 5D MkIV can shoot 1080p60 without overheating, the R5 can't.

Canon aimed for the stars but neglected to cover the basics.

It is only reasonable to expect the R5 to do what the previous generation
could do already four years ago.

This is not asking for insane frame rates or insane resolution.
The R5 already fails at the basics.

Was the camera that took this video a DSLR, or was it a full cinema camera?

Is this candid camera? Are you trying to pull off a prank?

Please re-read what I wrote.

This video was completely shot with the 5D MkII, and it was the key
kick-off for the following hype and trend towards DSLR video

Comparing this camera to a full cinema camera is an injustice, (....)

I don't. Please try to at least understand arguments before fighting them.

 

[SteveC]

You said you were not aware of it, so this was your chance to get into the ballpark.



Reverie was shot at 1080p30, that was all the 5D MkII was capable of twelve
years ago. I don't think it is unrealistic to expect a current camera to shoot
at least 1080p60 without overheating today. More likely 1080p120 or DCI4k60,
for some headroom in speed ramping and of course in 10 bit RAW.

But let's look at the most basic requirement: Do you think it would be unfair to
ask that a current camera can do at least what the last generation from four
years ago can do?

So, the 5D MkIV can shoot 1080p60 without overheating, the R5 can't.

Canon aimed for the stars but neglected to cover the basics.

It is only reasonable to expect the R5 to do what the previous generation
could do already four years ago.

This is not asking for insane frame rates or insane resolution.
The R5 already fails at the basics.



Is this candid camera? Are you trying to pull off a prank?

Please re-read what I wrote.

This video was completely shot with the 5D MkII, and it was the key
kick-off for the following hype and trend towards DSLR video



I don't. Please try to at least understand arguments before fighting them.

OK, here's your argument: This time I went back to look, which I apologize for not doing the last time (infrequent replies leading to my forgetting context).

Remember "Reverie" by Vincent Laforet? The video that kicked
off DSLR driven videography with the 5D MkII 12 years ago?

You wouldn't be able to run this production today without multiple
overheating events.

You originally stated this video could not be done with the 5R. You've now conceded it was shot in a mode where, it so happens, the 5R can shoot all damn day without overheating--and can even shoot in after it HAS overheated in other modes, at least according to some tests by users. So YES the R5 could indeed do precisely this.

But now you've moved the goal posts to complaining the R5 won't do something a Mark IV could do four years ago. (This would be a valid complaint, it's too bad you didn't start with it.) And then move on to state the camera would have overheated specifically while shooting the video in that mode. Which, honestly, I don't know enough to agree/disagree with as I don't know how many takes were made, and how far apart they were. Even with multiple takes the camera can be shut off after each take and given a chance to cool off. How many takes were there? How much time between takes? Someone with full knowledge of the overheating behavior (which isn't me, and isn't you either) would still need need to know that to have any notion whether this camera could do it--again, in a mode which wasn't the one used twelve years ago. (If it was all done in ONE take, well, that's going to be well under 20 minutes and overheating won't be an issue.)

 

[Quackator]

Even with multiple takes the camera can be shut off after each
take and given a chance to cool off.

The point is that you never had to be anxious about not
overheating in the middle of a shoot when using standard
modes with Canon cameras before.

And you certainly never had to wait for so long if indeed
you did run into overheating problems.

I have shot theatre plays of two hours length with multiple
5D class cameras, with only a few frames lost every 29:59min.

Impossible with the R5.

So yes, no matter how much denial amasses on this forum,
the R5/R6 are a big step backwards in regard to their video
usability - in real world environments, in professional use.

They are great stills cameras, nonetheless.

 

[Michael Clark]

The point is that you never had to be anxious about not
overheating in the middle of a shoot when using standard
modes with Canon cameras before.

And you certainly never had to wait for so long if indeed
you did run into overheating problems.

I have shot theatre plays of two hours length with multiple
5D class cameras, with only a few frames lost every 29:59min.

Impossible with the R5.

So yes, no matter how much denial amasses on this forum,
the R5/R6 are a big step backwards in regard to their video
usability - in real world environments, in professional use.

They are great stills cameras, nonetheless.

There were many documented cases where productions using 5D Mark II bodies rotated three or more bodies in practice to avoid heating issues. To say that this is the first time anyone had to worry about a Canon camera overheating during video shooting is disingenuous.