Is Scotch tape the answer to your Canon EOS R5 overheating issues?

Generally, in the USA, a modification, temp or permanent, that defeats a built-in safeguard would violate a warranty--if the manufacturer knew about such a mod.

But this all seems too desperate too soon. I'd think somebody who depends on highest quality 4k video would have dedicated equipment.

No Life Digital proved that there's almost zero difference between 4k HQ and 4k non-HQ when you apply a bit of sharpening in post (or use clarity slider).
you simply can't tell the difference even looking 100% at the stills snap from the 4K output. Video processing follows really the same rules as photography - we all know we can't just take default JPEG out of the camera and not sharpen it to get the best out of it. so why would video be any different?

which actually makes sense. downsampling is a natural "sharpen", so applying sharpening to the non HQ version, simply makes it for all purposes, very similar. You get line jaggies because line skipping but zero people are going to see that on video.

IMO too much is made of downsampling without knowing the real difference that it can achieve. There may be better color fidelity,etc but how much would you actually see on video versus a still image that you can subjectively look at for minutes?
 
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It gives you the same advantages as high sensor MP for stills shooting
  • Ability to crop your video - be that for better composition, "zooming" in on your main subject and other fx
  • Less so now they have IBIS, but higher res modes were better when stabilising footage
  • Downsample to 4K - with less noise and better quality (hence why Canon offers downsampling in other modes)
Bottom line, if you could shoot the same in 8K (ignoring processing etc), then you have more flexibility but yes it is 4x the data potentially.

Canon offered it, why would I not want to use it?
I don't think Canon offered it as a full fledged 8K CINI camera.
Granted their marketting seemed to promise a camera they can't deliver. but if you nail one camera company's marketting to the wall, you may as well takt them all becuase they have all been guilty of over promising from a marketing standpoint.
 
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haha. I actually still have the article up on my screen. I don't know, but you know it's too much. the REAL problem isn't the R5 right now, it's Canon's silence.
Oh, definitely post the article. We are running low on a good reading around the issue. I am not being sarcastic here. Too much noise in the channel but not much good stuff. ;)
 
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While you keep on trying to use a photo camera as a video camera, I've been enjoying it for stills and it's a joy to use. I think if your main interest is video, then maybe you have chosen the wrong instrument ;)

By the way, 4k works with no overheating anyway.

They keep trying to use the video features Canon hyped to be "revolutionary" and "ground breaking", but it keeps overheating and takes forever to cool down.

Most of the 4K modes do overheat.
 
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Yeah I think an official "We are working on bug fixes and looking to improve recovery times" that will help.

They have to resist the temptation to say nothing even if they feel this is all much to do about nothing.

I dunno, I'd be happy with a picture of an upraised middle finger and the simple caption, "this is to the trolls."
 
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Does it solve the problem or just treat the symptoms?. You can give someone Advil (sorry for the hidden publicity) but that will reduce the heat, not recover the person from flue. It looks like they found a way to "bypass" the overheat warning not solve the real issue (which is an inherent issue to any high duty electronic devices that records 8K video) , and I am quite sure that by doing this, they will, eventually, harm the system. There is a reason for this procedure of shut-down and cool down, and I don't think that by "tricking it" is really do any good for the camera. It can be a 3500$ mistake, an expensive one..
 
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I don't think Canon offered it as a full fledged 8K CINI camera.
Granted their marketting seemed to promise a camera they can't deliver. but if you nail one camera company's marketting to the wall, you may as well takt them all becuase they have all been guilty of over promising from a marketing standpoint.
I agree, I was answering the question does anyone Need 8k :)
 
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I'm just curious, had anyone from this thread tried to reproduce these hacks? Anybody tried to actually verify any of these methods?
Or people are whining about something they haven't even tried on?
I'm not prepared to risk my R5, and it wouldn't surprise me if Canon had a way of knowing. Or if not, they sure will with the next firmware release. I tried the different cards approach (3 UHS II) - made no difference. I'm impressed one guy in the states I believe, is happy to put his R5 in a ziplock bag in the fridge, another guy did the same in a freezer. Not for me.
 
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A puzzle has 100 pieces with complex interrelationships. We are not even sure if we found 5 pieces and yet we claim to have solved the puzzle. We are curious beings, that doesn't mean that we can't be a bit scientific in our thinking and admit that we don't know.

"We" do not claim to have solved the puzzle.

Though I realize you were probably sarcastically addressing someone else.

Some individuals who think they know more than they do (they are lacking in their knowledge of scientific methodology and physics) but who have a "trash Canon" agenda, are trying to get ego boost by hacking a system they don't understand.
 
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"We" do not claim to have solved the puzzle.

Though I realize you were probably sarcastically addressing someone else.

Some individuals who think they know more than they do (they are lacking in their knowledge of scientific methodology and physics) but who have a "trash Canon" agenda, are trying to get ego boost by hacking a system they don't understand.
It wasn't directed at you. You are right, I was addressing some folks here and on the internet, you have described some of their characteristics well. :)
 
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haha. I actually still have the article up on my screen. I don't know, but you know it's too much. the REAL problem isn't the R5 right now, it's Canon's silence.

With really big companies and various corporate cultures, it is no excpetion to just stay silent to public stuff. In fact I was surprised Canon provided some statement earlier. I prefer companies to communicate and being transparent, but I also can understand, when they don't react to public reactions, unless it is hurting their business / reputation.
 
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I read a lot of people complaining that this isn't a fix. Well, it was never a fix, more of an investigative proof of concept.

That battery grip pull is cool though.

Set your camera to record a certain setting.
Turn off the camera normally to commit the setting to long term memory.
Start recording.
Stop recording to protect the files
Pull the battery

(Caveat - I don't know if the process of stopping to save / protect the file commits the timer setting to long term memory, but if it doesn't then that's how to continuously record without delay).
 
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I give credit when due even on the interwebs, and all I have seen so far are whiners and armchair engineers making idle speculation or outright controversy out of nothing. Speculation taken too far makes people fools. No offense, but IT doesn't make you an expert in the Canon R5 thermals. Neither do people pointing a FLIR at the R5 suddenly know all about the situation. None of these tests equate to die temperatures for ASICs and other internals, and you have no idea what temperature threshold is the protection limit for these parts. Some parts really don't like to be hot over their lifetime and so for reliability are kept at lower temperatures.

I have specific experience with high speed circuit design and thermal management and will leave it at that, but I would never go around speculating I understand a design unless I did the thermal analysis or pulled out schematics or looked at the code for ASICs, FPGAs or uControllers myself. To pretend I know, even with my experience, is a lie unless I have done adequate testing and reverse engineering. On a product like this, insanely compact and complicated, that isn't going to happen from some youtube test. To sit around doing inane amateur tests and then to make biased assumptions about artificial timers and blah blah blah is people stoking their ego, NOT honest intellectual discourse. Sometimes saying "I don't know" is the best course, but too many people don't like the feeling of admitting it, even when the subject matter is way out of their area of knowledge.

Calling the time limits artificial or fishy in the first place is an assumption and an emotional label. Engineers have to make a choice on how to put in stops around various physical realities of the components and their interaction as a system. Even if the record times WERE arbitrarily chosen, SO WHAT?! Canon told us about it including the part about other camera activity reducing those times. So for the millionth time I suggest people go buy another camera if you don't like it instead of falsely acting like some detective! Since people are not having an honest discussion about how electronics and product engineering actually work, I will continue to down play what these people are saying because the way they are going about this is amateurish, has an unintelligent and non-rigorous tone, and the vast majority of them have an agenda of some sort: to get clicks or prove the camera is flawed. It isn't; Canon told us exactly how it behaves before shipping started.

There are plenty of reasons the camera internals might heat up just in the menu or shooting stills. In my own tests, just using the EVF for long periods of time generates heat. IBIS also seems to generate heat. Try a 1 hour timelapse at 5 second intervals and just disabling those two is the difference between a warm and cold body at the end of the hour. So I could draw conclusions from my own amateur test that something about the heat and cooling is real, not artificial, but why bother? The camera worsk for me as designed. I'm sure everyone has heard that removing the CFE card helps. SERDES for the CFE might always runs idle characters even without data flowing. We could speculate all day. I could do some pretty fancy tests if I really wanted to, or I could buy the right tool for the job (which I did, and it's a pretty great camera with a few flaws like every product must have).

If Canon has some errors to fix or optimizations for the firmware that make this better, great. Not uncommon for new product. If they actually made a hardware mistake and fix it, great, but I find that very unlikely. However, until I hear well researched logic that doesn't fall apart trivially I will keep calling out all these hokey tests and assumptions for what they are: hot air (see what I did there)?

The only testing I've seen that actually benefits anyone is from those actually working with the camera instead of trying to make it fail, or providing workarounds like using external recorders- those people are accepting the camera for what it is at least instead of continuing on this path of labeling things nefarious or fishy or artificial or whatever.

Cornieleous - this is one of the most consistent repIies I have received, so thanks for that. On the other hand, you have just selected to comment on my IT background, completly leaving the fact, that we have built a complete CCD camera, which means hw, peltier cooling, microchip implementation, accompanied SW etc. And even then, I have admitted I don't dare to have quick conclusion on the recent situation.

The trouble might be with my word "fishy", because there are some inconsistencies, which can't be easily explained. I work for some products as a beta tester and I hope, with your apparent experience, I don't need to tell you, how buggy some products might be and that even some know companies release their products in a certain state, where fixes are coming later.

So by "fishy" I mean mostly - suspicious. In multiple threads I have expressed my opinion, that I actually don't think, that Canon did anything on purpose and if there is some firmware update, it will just bring few tweaks here or there. Man, I can even imagine the edge case, where camera would have zero thermometers and the timeouts would be based upon some table, consisting of million of measurements at certain conditions. If the camera sealing would cause it being interanlly stable, then why not? And I would still call it a methodology.

So let's see, what happens. Ppl creating crazy workarounds are risking the dameage of their equipment. Yet I believe Canon will provide a firmware update and/or some statement to the recent situation. Or no statement at all, if they don't feel like situation is really hurting them in both reputation / sales areas.
 
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