Latest Canon disappoints wants me to switch over to Nikon.

[00Q]

I have been extremely disappointed with Canon lately. I have been waiting for the 5DMKIII that never comes. And the 24-70 was updated yesterday without IS and a huge price tag.

Plus, the Nikon D800 was announced yesterday with a very affordable price tag. I doubt the new 5DMKIII will beat the specs of the D800. Nikon also has the better wide angle zooms. Question I ask myself is why am I still with Canon?

And dont smite me on this, Im a canon fan. Just that I think Canon is out of touch with the present reality.

 

[birdman]

Canon will counter. Don't you think someone from their company knew all along about this camera from Nikon getting released? They have spies just like the US has spies overseas...

As far as WA lenses, expect to see at least two new ones this year. I do wish the 24-70 II had IS, but the optics look ridiculous as they are. I am not throwing in the towel just yet

 

[mathino]

Canon will counter. Don't you think someone from their company knew all along about this camera from Nikon getting released? They have spies just like the US has spies overseas...

As far as WA lenses, expect to see at least two new ones this year. I do wish the 24-70 II had IS, but the optics look ridiculous as they are. I am not throwing in the towel just yet

+1

Exactly as I am. Just do not throw in the towel. Wait. Canon definitely has something in the sleeve - without a doubt. I was also disappointed, but these new primes looks great (even they are expensive now) and new 24-70 looks stunning in terms of MTF chart. My guess is that we will see 2 FF this year - one high mpx focused on video (4k) & studio (at 4000-4500 USD) and other one focused on AF accuracy/high ISO capabilities (at 3000 USD). There is market for both.

 

[JR]

I understand your frustration 00Q but I think you are a bit quick to jump to conclusion. Because the 5DmkII was such a big commercial success compared tot he old D700, it was only normal that Canon waited for Nikon to make their announcement first.

I dont think we have seen the last of Canon just yet for the camera body. On the lens side, while I too would have liked an IS version of the 24-70 lens, however if the IQ is as good as the charts suggests, this might very well becore a go to lens for many of us...and again if it fulfill its promise, you will not find any equivalent in the Nikon zoom line-up - at least not yet...

lets hold judgement untill Canon makes it next move at least!

 

[mathino]

lets hold judgement untill Canon makes it next move at least!

+1
That's what I'm saying

 

[mathino]

I did a little calculation with numbers and this is what I've found out:

230 000 yen = 1840 USD (if you assume 1 USD = 125 yen - 2002 exchange ratio)
230 000 yen = 2987 USD (if you use todays ratio between USD and yen)

On the USA Canon page there is MSRP price 2299 USD (which equals to 177 023 with todays ratio). So actually USA price is lower then Japan price for 24-70 II if you compare dollar-to-dollar.

So first thing is that when this new lens will be available (in stock, not pre-orders) price will be actually lower then 2299 USD. Also it is only MSRP. My guess is that around summer time price will be +- 1800 USD from resellers.



...and a little thought an the end. If you check japanese page you will find out that MSRPs are:

EF 24-70 f/2.8L - 220 000 yen
EF 24-70 f/2.8L II - 230 000 yen

So the difference between them is only 10 000 yen = 129.87 USD (todays ratio). Current price for Mk I is 1 369 USD (B&H), 1399 (Adorama) - ofc without rabates that are actually on Canon stuff.
If my calculations and assumptions are right (let's take 1500 USD as highest price tag for Mk I) then Mk II should be around +-1800 USD (including that this is a new item, new tech, coatings, lens elements and so... also when in full production and available at stores and resellers). I think we should wait, let's say until summer, and the price will drop. Just my 0.02 cents to discussion.

Sad thing is that I'm in Europe so even if the price tag will be 1800 USD, here will this lens cost 1800 € = 2 386 USD.

 

[Neeneko]

Well, 'out of touch' is probably a bit too strong, but as with any marketing group think they seem to have an internal narrative going on that 'every product must xyz'.

Personally, I have also been getting less thrilled with Canon lately as they seem to be moving more and more towards 'multimedia' and 'cinema' focus, though looks like Nikon is jumping on that bandwagon too.

So I am pondering jumping ship for something like Sinar, Megaviaion, PhaseOne, AVT, or someone else who still makes cameras as opposed to multimedia devices with camera capabilities.

 

[fussy III]

"Just that I think Canon is out of touch with the present reality."

I agree, no IS in 24-70 is ridicoulous, still no 16-35 IS, an optically and technically outdated 300/4.0, no focus-peaking, ...

But most of all, the 1DX samples remind me too much of the same old problem woth color noise. That just tells me that they could have built that same camera with the only difference of a few less fps (let's say eight) three years ago. Today it's to late to come up with that kind of camera.

I preordered the 1DX trusting Canon followed a new philosophie that would allow them innovation. Since IQ has not changed considerably (Kindly allow me to expect the worst from high iso after having seen jpeg ISO 800), all I see now is a new philosophie trying to draw more money from idealistic Canon Users.

The D800 offers twice the resolution and seems to look about as good at same ISO levels, at least colornoise-wise. All I could ask for in the D800 would be 6 instead of 4 fps. But I am not sure I will want to wait for the D900, I might just switch to Nikon now.

Canon! - having the best fiexd telephoto-lenses in the line-up and TS-Es just isn't enough!

 

[BlueMixWhite]

I don't understand why all these comparison going on. Come on guys, let's go back to 2009-2011. It was the battle of 5Dmkii vs D700 and 7D vs D300s. Not now 5Dmkii vs D800. Wait for canon to reveal what it have, then only compare. Do u know while canon user gets to enjoy all the glory of 5D and 7D, Nikon user were shoot with a technology way behind.

 

[mathino]

I don't understand why all these comparison going on. Come on guys, let's go back to 2009-2011. It was the battle of 5Dmkii vs D700 and 7D vs D300s. Not now 5Dmkii vs D800. Wait for canon to reveal what it have, then only compare. Do u know while canon user gets to enjoy all the glory of 5D and 7D, Nikon user were shoot with a technology way behind.

+1

That's just not a fair comparison as you stated. We have to wait and see new Canon bodies to compare them. Even then, new Canon cameras could be a lot different from D800 (if there will be 2 FF bodies, one 40+ mpx and one affordable with 18-22 mpx).

 

[Pyrenees]

As a Canon dude (only very-moderately invested in their gear) I will wait for Canon's next move, but I have to say that that I'm very impressed with what I have seen/read so far about the D800. As someone who shoots portraits but who also does architectural photography, the D800 looks quite good and at a fantastic price point. Would love to pair it with the excellent Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8. I'm sure Canon will counter this move by Nikon. Either way, some exciting times ahead.

 

[alipaulphotography]

I doubt the new 5DMKIII will beat the specs of the D800.

Based on what?! If you want to move to nikon, no one is stopping you, but you are basing your decisions on a 3.5 year old camera. Canon has an excellent selection of lenses for all uses - 16-35mm f/2.8? Nikon do not have a 24-70mm with IS? The original 24-70mm is still an excellent lens and will now be made even more affordable. They are just about to update their incredibly successful 5D MKII. If the new 5D isn't announced or shipping by summer, then I could understand your disappointment (as I will be disappointed also) but it has been 1 day since nikons D800 release.

Patience!

 

[Mendolera]

While I do think the D800 looks awesome and love the fact it can crop to 1.5X. Something I would love in a Canon, Id give it a couple months to see what Canon has to offer before jumping to that conclusion. Im not sure that its fair to say though that Canon is not in touch with present reality. The 1Dx and D4 look pretty close to me (In fact if Canon fixes F8 AF id give it the edge).

The new super telephotos (500 & 600) now have an availability date so im guessing stuff is coming and soon.

The only think I was disappointed in was I think the price of the 24-70 is very high for todays economy and would have expected something in the 1750-1900 range..

 

[Somnipotent]

I'm sick of reading all these whiny posts about "gonna switch to Nikon". Do you guys enjoy taking pictures or just collecting tech? When you invest in a brand, you invest in the system. Just because the competing brand releases something "better" you honestly think Canon is going to sit idle? If you've already thought about it, don't justify it to everyone else, just do it and be done with it.

 

[Maui5150]

I have to laugh at this.

Please. By all means. Jump ship and switch.

What do you have for lenses and flashes? I need some new gear.

Is the D800 a decent camera? Sure.

Is it the best thing out there? Hardly. I wasn't overly impressed with the ISO performance and while 36MP is bigger, for most of my usage it is overkill. Now the AF is a different matter. For me at least a version of the 5D with improved AF and maybe a little larger resolution would be awesome and address my needs. Hardly a reason to jump ship... especially since I KNOW Canon has at least one if not two or more higher end bodies coming out this year and I expect we will see a High MP camera (3D) and improved 5D (I think the 7D line ends and the 5D line becomes a 24 MP, 19 Cross-Point AF, 6 FPS FF)... Basically the best of both worlds... Fast, better AF, Great ISO, Solid IQ and decent resolution. I expect this to be a $2500 camera

As for the new 24-70. No IS. Yes, disappoints many, but the MTF graph? The performance improvement on this lens is HUGE.

 

[geniusofnati]

Even though, we know the 5D is due for an update, dont be surprised if they annouce it soon. Also we gotta remember, Canon was damaged in the earthquake, so we dont know if they are fully functional yet. However, Canon's market share is killing Nikons. Plus Canon has a prototype that is 128mpixels with 12fps, so they can up the megapixels at will. Also Canon produces the CMOS sensor in house, not Nikon,thats why thier price is always a tad bit high.

 

[ghosh9691]

I have been extremely disappointed with Canon lately. I have been waiting for the 5DMKIII that never comes. And the 24-70 was updated yesterday without IS and a huge price tag.

Plus, the Nikon D800 was announced yesterday with a very affordable price tag. I doubt the new 5DMKIII will beat the specs of the D800. Nikon also has the better wide angle zooms. Question I ask myself is why am I still with Canon?

And dont smite me on this, Im a canon fan. Just that I think Canon is out of touch with the present reality.

If you are truly unhappy and the Nikon D800 is the camera you think will give your photography the advantage, then I think you should go ahead and switch over to Nikon.

Everyone has different needs and perspectives - I, for example, am completely happy and satisfied with my 5D2 and don't need or want another camera for the foreseeable future - either Nikon or Canon

Each to his own...just let me know when you do sell off your Canon gear

 

[00Q]

Even though, we know the 5D is due for an update, dont be surprised if they annouce it soon. Also we gotta remember, Canon was damaged in the earthquake, so we dont know if they are fully functional yet. However, Canon's market share is killing Nikons. Plus Canon has a prototype that is 128mpixels with 12fps, so they can up the megapixels at will. Also Canon produces the CMOS sensor in house, not Nikon,thats why thier price is always a tad bit high.

128mps 12fps??

 

[ghosh9691]

Even though, we know the 5D is due for an update, dont be surprised if they annouce it soon. Also we gotta remember, Canon was damaged in the earthquake, so we dont know if they are fully functional yet. However, Canon's market share is killing Nikons. Plus Canon has a prototype that is 128mpixels with 12fps, so they can up the megapixels at will. Also Canon produces the CMOS sensor in house, not Nikon,thats why thier price is always a tad bit high.

128mps 12fps??

Yes, that was a prototype that they demonstrated a couple of years ago . It was actually a 120MP APS-H sensor. Not thinking about switching any more?

Here's the link: http://www.canon.com/news/2010/aug24e.html?WT.mc_id=C126149

 

[kubelik]

I did a little calculation with numbers and this is what I've found out:

230 000 yen = 1840 USD (if you assume 1 USD = 125 yen - 2002 exchange ratio)
230 000 yen = 2987 USD (if you use todays ratio between USD and yen)

On the USA Canon page there is MSRP price 2299 USD (which equals to 177 023 with todays ratio). So actually USA price is lower then Japan price for 24-70 II if you compare dollar-to-dollar.

So first thing is that when this new lens will be available (in stock, not pre-orders) price will be actually lower then 2299 USD. Also it is only MSRP. My guess is that around summer time price will be +- 1800 USD from resellers.



...and a little thought an the end. If you check japanese page you will find out that MSRPs are:

EF 24-70 f/2.8L - 220 000 yen
EF 24-70 f/2.8L II - 230 000 yen

So the difference between them is only 10 000 yen = 129.87 USD (todays ratio). Current price for Mk I is 1 369 USD (B&H), 1399 (Adorama) - ofc without rabates that are actually on Canon stuff.
If my calculations and assumptions are right (let's take 1500 USD as highest price tag for Mk I) then Mk II should be around +-1800 USD (including that this is a new item, new tech, coatings, lens elements and so... also when in full production and available at stores and resellers). I think we should wait, let's say until summer, and the price will drop. Just my 0.02 cents to discussion.

Sad thing is that I'm in Europe so even if the price tag will be 1800 USD, here will this lens cost 1800 € = 2 386 USD.

the only problem with this is, Canon USA defines the prices for Canon USA, not by using a direct exchange formula based on Canon Japan's price. there's a lot of other math with tariffs and taxes that go into it. same with Canon Europe.

And for Canon USA prices, especially in the L-series segment, historically we have never seen much more than a 5% difference between the MSRP and the street price. once rebates kick in, you could get up to an additional 10% off or so. but what you're looking at is nowhere close to a $1800 US sale price, you are looking at a ~$2200 street price, and maybe $2K once rebates hit later in the year/next year.