Lots of EOS 5D Mark IV Talk, None of it Reliable

[scyrene]

Whatever it's called, I hope it is at least equal in low light and DR to my D750. I've had enough of my Nikon-only friends telling me to ditch my Canon gear because the D750 changed the game (they forget that the D750 also made Nikon people sell off their D810's). When I tell them I don't want to give up on my L lenses, they turn deaf and repeat the same lines: better DR and noise in low light and shadow pull. If the 5DX/4/IV/whatever can perform equal to or better than the D750, I will gladly pay twice the price to get one.

Or just get better friends

 

[AshtonNekolah]

Any reason you are referring to it as 5DX instead of 5D4? Do you really believe Canon will name it 5DX?

Because that's what it is to be called. Already been told by Canon employee testing the new camera they are dropping the mk IV name for 5DX, and that's as much as they would say, not even a hint at what specs were coming.

sounds like a plan.

35mm
6d1/6d2 - entry level
5dx/5dx2 - Pro level
5ds/5dsr - Hig res dslr's
1dx/1dx2 -flag ship

looks more organized and leaner to me. its about time, lets see what happens, this guy makes sense!

 

[AshtonNekolah]

Any reason you are referring to it as 5DX instead of 5D4? Do you really believe Canon will name it 5DX?

Because that's what it is to be called. Already been told by Canon employee testing the new camera they are dropping the mk IV name for 5DX, and that's as much as they would say, not even a hint at what specs were coming.

Four is an unlucky number in Japan. Buildings often skip the fourth floor and mode numbers often skip right over it.

it always amazes me that the believers always make a big deal out of superstitions but the wealthy and powerful could care less of what your believes are, but yes we wined and moan over this already with the 40D crushing that myth.

 

[pierlux]

Any reason you are referring to it as 5DX instead of 5D4? Do you really believe Canon will name it 5DX?

Because that's what it is to be called. Already been told by Canon employee testing the new camera they are dropping the mk IV name for 5DX, and that's as much as they would say, not even a hint at what specs were coming.

Four is an unlucky number in Japan. Buildings often skip the fourth floor and mode numbers often skip right over it.

So that's why Canon skipped the 1D Mark IV and Nikon didn't release a D4 or D4s. Oh, wait..... :

Too bad your avatar is a sagittal NMR. You should have chosen a coronal section crossing the eyeballs instead. By now, you could have sued a lot of CR members, providing evidence to the court of the damage they have caused to your eyes by simply repeating a scan. ;D

What about Canon leaving the number 5 exclusive to their high-MP line and introducing the 4D as the 5D3 replacement instead?

Seriously now. We're in the second decade of the 21st century, it's about time to drop out of the world all kind of superstition. I cannot even imagine Canon, nor any other eminent company, letting their marketing strategy being driven by medieval beliefs.

5D Mark IV. So be it. Listen Canon, don't let CR guy's mockup having been photoshopped in vain!

 

[ironfreak]

I have weird thought that Canon will surprise everyone by announcing 6D Mark II during March or April, before 5DIV/X to compete with D750 and bring next 5D sometime later this year to compete with D810.. :

 

[unfocused]

I realise this is a US site

You realize incorrectly.

I stand corrected.

US/Canada its all the same to us jolly foreigners

Canada is a far more civilized country than the US... We line up in the snow to eat beavertails....

Is that picture from July or August?

 

[Untitled]

They might as well just announce/release it. Update is long long overdue & I bet Canon is losing body sales every day to the competition. Besides rumor mill is already strong enough that whoever still in the market for a 5D is going to wait for the 4/X. Also I don't think it'll steal any sales from the 1DX2, that's a whole other product segment..

This "whole other product segment" mantra is funny to me, there are lots of people even here even today who are hesitating between 1DX and 5D III for lots of various reasons, why do you think it will be different with the new versions? Understand that not every photographer has just one definite segment where he takes pictures, and not every of the two cameras is specific to one segment and cannot be used in another. There are people who shoot sports with both cameras, there are people who shoot weddings with both cameras, there are journalists who use both cameras, yes one is more often used in each segment but that does not prohibit the use of the other.

And every loss of a client from 1dX2 to 5D IV will be a loss for Canon, why should they do it, when they can simply wait one more month to meet the pre-orders???

How could every sale of a 5D IV be a loss for Canon? or the sale of any other Canon camera model for that matter...People choose one camera over another for all sorts of reasons all the time, the trick is to have a wide range of cameras for sale.

What is actually holding money back from Canon right now, in my case, is all the speculation over a putative new 5D range camera. I am ready to buy a new full frame Canon, with a budget of around 3k already put aside. - Comparisons between the 5D 3 and it's competitors, do put me off it a bit and I can't for the life of me understand the 5DS, 5DSr duo. Which of those would you buy? Why two cameras? Surely an on/off switch for the AA filter on one camera would be sensible. - I like the resolution of the Nikon, Sony and Pentax K1, (hence my rejection of 5D III), but this division of DS/DSr, Well, I don't want to make an expensive mistake. If Canon do have a new 5D in the offing, they might as well announce it, for my part, removing the uncertainty would mean either a pre-order or an immediate purchase of either a 5DS/r.

Wish list while I'm at it:

1_Resolution in the high twenties or low thirties.

2_Since my camera spends a lot of time on a tripod, I'd like to be able to control it wirelessly, using an App on my tablet.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

We've had this conversation several times in different threads. The counterexamples are enough (400D, 40D, 1D mark IV, D4), and apparently the superstition is not universal. I think the assumption should be it will be the 5D4 unless we have very good evidence to the contrary (and not just 'I was told').

Why on earth do you think they are dropping the 4 because it's bad luck. In the same way in the 1DX the X signified a breakthrough product, a new beginning, the same logic will be applied to the 5DX, meaning we will see something more than just a upgrade of the 5DIII in the usual sense.

 

[George D.]

I suggest new moniker 5D "year", e.g. 5D 2016. This way we'll get rid of the marks; not sustainable. 8)

 

[Loswr]

I suggest new moniker 5D "year", e.g. 5D 2016. This way we'll get rid of the marks; not sustainable. 8)

I'm guessing you don't work in marketing...

 

[unfocused]

In the same way in the 1DX the X signified a breakthrough product, a new beginning, the same logic will be applied to the 5DX, meaning we will see something more than just a upgrade of the 5DIII in the usual sense.

Huh? Please explain what "breakthrough" you think there is room for between the 5D III and the 1Dx II. The one thing we know about the next 5D is that it won't be as good as the 1Dx II. That's just a given.

I'm not saying Canon won't stick an 'X' on it, but if you are expecting some big magical breakthrough you will be disappointed.

 

[scyrene]

In the same way in the 1DX the X signified a breakthrough product, a new beginning, the same logic will be applied to the 5DX, meaning we will see something more than just a upgrade of the 5DIII in the usual sense.

Huh? Please explain what "breakthrough" you think there is room for between the 5D III and the 1Dx II. The one thing we know about the next 5D is that it won't be as good as the 1Dx II. That's just a given.

I'm not saying Canon won't stick an 'X' on it, but if you are expecting some big magical breakthrough you will be disappointed.

Absolutely. Besides, to the original poster, the marketing narrative as to why it was called 'X' is hazy, with several ideas floated. And indeed, do you believe that all the Powershot cameras with an X represent breakthroughs? But anyhow, Canon would like us to believe every new product is a breakthrough. They can't use X for all of them!

Once again: it might be 5DX. But we have no reason to believe it is without evidence. The more likely option is 5D4 ceteris paribus.

 

[zim]

I realise this is a US site

You realize incorrectly.

I stand corrected.

US/Canada its all the same to us jolly foreigners

Canada is a far more civilized country than the US... We line up in the snow to eat beavertails....

Is that picture from July or August?

OK my apologies for going waaayy OT here but what the hell is a 'beaver tail' ?

In the sense of.....

I know what 'Dynamic' means
I know what 'Range' means
but I don't know what 'Dynamic Range' really means

I know what a 'Beaver' is
I know what a 'Tail' is
but I don't know what a 'Beaver Tail' really is

;D

 

[jeffa4444]

They might as well just announce/release it. Update is long long overdue & I bet Canon is losing body sales every day to the competition. Besides rumor mill is already strong enough that whoever still in the market for a 5D is going to wait for the 4/X. Also I don't think it'll steal any sales from the 1DX2, that's a whole other product segment..

This "whole other product segment" mantra is funny to me, there are lots of people even here even today who are hesitating between 1DX and 5D III for lots of various reasons, why do you think it will be different with the new versions? Understand that not every photographer has just one definite segment where he takes pictures, and not every of the two cameras is specific to one segment and cannot be used in another. There are people who shoot sports with both cameras, there are people who shoot weddings with both cameras, there are journalists who use both cameras, yes one is more often used in each segment but that does not prohibit the use of the other.

And every loss of a client from 1dX2 to 5D IV will be a loss for Canon, why should they do it, when they can simply wait one more month to meet the pre-orders???

How could every sale of a 5D IV be a loss for Canon? or the sale of any other Canon camera model for that matter...People choose one camera over another for all sorts of reasons all the time, the trick is to have a wide range of cameras for sale.

What is actually holding money back from Canon right now, in my case, is all the speculation over a putative new 5D range camera. I am ready to buy a new full frame Canon, with a budget of around 3k already put aside. - Comparisons between the 5D 3 and it's competitors, do put me off it a bit and I can't for the life of me understand the 5DS, 5DSr duo. Which of those would you buy? Why two cameras? Surely an on/off switch for the AA filter on one camera would be sensible. - I like the resolution of the Nikon, Sony and Pentax K1, (hence my rejection of 5D III), but this division of DS/DSr, Well, I don't want to make an expensive mistake. If Canon do have a new 5D in the offing, they might as well announce it, for my part, removing the uncertainty would mean either a pre-order or an immediate purchase of either a 5DS/r.

Wish list while I'm at it:

1_Resolution in the high twenties or low thirties.

2_Since my camera spends a lot of time on a tripod, I'd like to be able to control it wirelessly, using an App on my tablet.

The 5DS purchase I made was purely because I wanted to be able to crop more and retain good detail over my 6D. I didnt go for the 5DSr because of moire concerns. The 5DS on a tripod, with low ISO provides stunning images with improvements in colour imagery over previous cameras. Its not a great low light camera as I experianced in South Africa on game drives in fact anything above 800ISO shows deteriation. With controlled lighting & well lit landscapes its in a world of its own as far as DSLRs for everything else the 5D MKIII is way better or indeed the 6D which Ive been using with a smart phone or tablet since early 2013.

Canon actually has room to add another full frame camera. Entry 6D, Nikon 750 competitor, 5D & 1D series. The price points are wide between the 6D & 5D so they have wriggle room.

 

[scyrene]

Canon actually has room to add another full frame camera. Entry 6D, Nikon 750 competitor, 5D & 1D series. The price points are wide between the 6D & 5D so they have wriggle room.

I don't know the Nikon lineup so well. Can you explain what the D750 has compared to the 6D and 5D3? Just intermediate in all aspects? There is a big price gap between those two models, as you say.

 

[George D.]

I suggest new moniker 5D "year", e.g. 5D 2016. This way we'll get rid of the marks; not sustainable. 8)

I'm guessing you don't work in marketing...

No. Fancy food mode on the 5D Mk.IV?

 

[LoneRider]

As far as the 6D-ii coming out before the 5DX, nope, IMNSHO not going to happen. One of the common themes is the 1DX-ii and 5DX markets. Yeah, the 5DX may steel some from the 1DX-ii, but the 1DX-ii is going to be a holly grail camera for the sidelines. 14fps and amazing autofocus. 'nuff said. Sport journalists and the like are going to be all in I would guess. Get that perfect picture of the goal and so on.

But, the 6D-ii will definitely compete hugely against the 5DX. So, they need to make as much money as they can on the 5DX. I don't know if it is going to be called the 5DX, but I think the 5DX is going to be a holly grail, it is going to fill in a massive market demand they created, the announcement of the 1DX-ii with DPAF and all F8 stoked our imagination on what the 5DX could be.

Yup, the holly grail FF camera with DPAF and 7D-ii besting AF. Add in on chip ADC and 7+ FPS, maybe ***, NFC and WIFI, and a few other expected goodies. And you have a $3500 holly grail FF camera that is going to cause Nikon product managers to lay awake at night. I add 7+FPS, if the 80D has 7FPS, it would imply better cameras should be equal or better.

So no, they are not going to announce a 6D-ii with DPAF until they've convinced all the price sensitive FF converts to just go with the $3500 5DX

And with the release of the 1DX-ii they have shown they have all the technology ready for market at hand.

As far as the name, as it maybe the holly grail FF camera. The next jump, well that deserves a name jump that calling it a 5D-iv just does not convey. And honestly, a strike price anywhere under $3995 will probably work if it has everything I describe.

If they go external ***, man, that will just piss me off. That is $400-$600 accessory is an insult to our intelligence considering the *** part and antenna are certainly less than $20 in raw materials.

As far as timing, I am sure, as soon as they feel they can deliver a reliable product, they will release. I do not believe there is anything holding them back, other than picking the right show. But honestly, if it is the holly grail FF camera, they need the headlines and be able to have 1000's of them in hand to sell at the release date.

I also think there is no reason to go above 22-28MP. They have the 5DS with the huge MP count. And frankly it makes sense to keep them differentiated. And honestly, I can see the 5DS getting an upgraded sensor without DPAF. Making it the go to camera for high MP picture quality. So what if the Sony's of the world sit in between the 5DX and the 5DS. The 5DX and 5DS will have 2 distinct markets. 5DX for people like me with moderate portrait, video, landscape and sport, kinda the jack of all. Where the 5DS will be go to camera for landscapes and portrait work. And you will get people who will have a 5DX and a 5DS.

That is my take from all of the great comments in all of the threads on this. Hope I am not blowing smoke. We will see.

 

[SwnSng]

All I know is they better HURRY before all my TAX money is spent .

This is my hope:

28mp
7fps+
AF - 1DXII
4k
WIFI

 

[unfocused]

OK my apologies for going waaayy OT here but what the hell is a 'beaver tail' ?

While the prospect of both beaver and tail interests me, I think this is something similar to what is sold around these parts as "elephant ears" -- batter drizzled in hot oil and deep fried then sprinkled with powdered sugar.

Am I close?

 

[J.R.]

OK my apologies for going waaayy OT here but what the hell is a 'beaver tail' ?

While the prospect of both beaver and tail interests me, I think this is something similar to what is sold around these parts as "elephant ears" -- batter drizzled in hot oil and deep fried then sprinkled with powdered sugar.

Am I close?

Yes sir ... Close enough.