Lots of EOS 5D Mark IV Talk, None of it Reliable

[canonographer]

I'm guessing before the end of 2017 the FF lineup will be as follows:

- FF EOS M(irrorless) to compete w/ the Sony A7II and the Nikon 610
- 6D II moved up market w/ new styling to appeal to the enthusiast and compete w/ the Nikon D750
- 5DX with low 30s resolution, 4K, and great video features to compete with Nikon D810, Sony A7RII, and Sony A7SII
- 5DS and 5DSR - Hi Res landscape camera to not only compete w/ the Nikon and Sony alternatives, but also to discourage use of medium format
- 1DXII - Sports and elite action photography

 

[extide]

Why do so many think the 6D should be aligned with the D750, it clearly is aligned with the D600 series.

6D -- D6xx
5D -- D7xx
5Ds -- D8xx

 

[canonographer]

Why do so many think the 6D should be aligned with the D750, it clearly is aligned with the D600 series.

I didn't say I think they SHOULD align it w/ the D750, but they do need an answer for it. The 5D3 is seen as the workhorse for a lot of people who make a living with their cameras, and it competes directly with the D810.

The current 6D is aligned w/ the D610, as an entry level FF. Unfortunately for Canon, they don't have anything in their range that can compete with the D750 for the price. The new 5D(x) should be back at parity with the D810, both in terms of features and price. Why would they undercut themselves by selling the new 5D(x) at an intermediate price point and try to compete w/ the D750?

Nikon is selling a lot of the D750s. If I were looking to get into or switch systems, and I am, the D750 looks like a really good option for the price. The 6D doesn't compare to the the D750. I'm just an enthusiast, and don't have a need for the 5D(x) range of camers, but I'm also looking for more than what the 6D or D610 have to offer.

 

[LoneRider]

As a hack here. I don't know if Canon has to go toe to tow with Nikon or Sony.

With DPAF and it's F8 AF system, Canon has some amazing features to distinguish them to Nikon.

That said, they also have to distinguish between the 6D-ii and 5DX. Looking at the specs, and assuming the on-chip ADC graces both the 6D-ii and 5DX and improves DR into the same class as Nikon and Sony.

It would seem to me, as not a Nikon follower, the 6D-ii will compete handily against the D750, is most categories except possibly FPS. And the 5DX, given the 1DX-ii AF, it will stomp the D810 in everything except for the MP count. I am still thinking less than 30MP on the 5DX, I can't see pushing the Dual Pixel on the die for a number that is not needed. Keep the MP in the mid 20's, keep image quality very high. Allow the 5DS[r] to take the MP crown (without DPAF)

Not sure how they will differentiate the 6D-ii and the 5DX. I am guessing FPS, 1K vs 4K, 60Hz @1K vs. 120Hz @ 4K video, 6D-ii might not get F8 except for center, and of course fewer AF points. ***, more likely on the 5Dx. NFC/WIFI is a must on both I think, same with DPAF. C-Fast? Modes? Better bracketing options on the 5DX. Flash transmitter??

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

 

[canonographer]

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

I'm guessing they will need to create a new version of the M mount. This will give them two versions of mirroless lenses, similar to the EF and EF-S lenses. Trying to rely on EF lenses as a go forward solution for mirrorless just doesn't make sense. Adding a free adapter to the kit would be nice though.

The only way I could see them using the EF mount on a mirrorless FF would be if they figured out a novel way to increase the length of the light path internally, instead of adding the DSLR like flange distance outside of the camera. Even if they did that though, it would still seem like a band aid solution that they wouldn't want to lock themselves into for the long haul.

So, I gotta go with a new EF-M FF mount, if I'm Canon. You don't need to add a lot of lenses quickly if you throw in an adapter.

 

[unfocused]

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

It will be mounted on the unicorn that delivers it to your doorstep.

 

[canonographer]

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

It will be mounted on the unicorn that delivers it to your doorstep.

+1

 

[LoneRider]

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

It will be mounted on the unicorn that delivers it to your doorstep.

Ohhh harsh

I must admit, it would be cool to see a Canon M camera with DPAF in the wild, even if it is based off of the 80D or 7D-ii sensor. But the 1DX-ii and 5DX would have to be job #1. I would love to think a DPAF mirrorless Canon is in the works though.

 

[unfocused]

As far as the mirrorless FF, I forgot about that, what lens mount for it?

It will be mounted on the unicorn that delivers it to your doorstep.

Ohhh harsh

Sorry, not trying to be mean. Just injecting a bit of reality into the speculation here.

 

[LoneRider]

Sorry, not trying to be mean. Just injecting a bit of reality into the speculation here.

Heck, no worries. I laughed when I read your comment. This thread is mostly wishful thinking with a splash of reality. I just hope I am correct in my guesses, otherwise I am going to wind up crying.

 

[zim]

OK my apologies for going waaayy OT here but what the hell is a 'beaver tail' ?

While the prospect of both beaver and tail interests me, I think this is something similar to what is sold around these parts as "elephant ears" -- batter drizzled in hot oil and deep fried then sprinkled with powdered sugar.

Am I close?

Ah, we have something similar, that but with a Mars bar in the middle of it

 

[Don Haines]

OK my apologies for going waaayy OT here but what the hell is a 'beaver tail' ?

While the prospect of both beaver and tail interests me, I think this is something similar to what is sold around these parts as "elephant ears" -- batter drizzled in hot oil and deep fried then sprinkled with powdered sugar.

Am I close?

same thing.... very unhealthy, that's why they taste so good.

 

[jeffa4444]

Whilst a crude instrument if you look at the highest sales months in 2015 for inter-changeable lens cameras globally from CIPA numbers they go like this:-

April 1,218,760
June 1,218,174
July 1,299,086
October 1,299,966
November 1,245,809

Not really a surprise as April through July mirrors the run-in to summer vacations and October, November Christmas Present purchases.
If your going to launch new cameras and want to maximise peak purchasing then launch ahead of these dates to maximise publicity. The EOS 80D fits this (as does the G7 X MKII), however the 1D X MKII is a pro tool and will be a "steady seller", the 5D MKIV could fall between two stalls being both a professional tool and enthusiast so Canon may need to launch in April or failing that September and in both cases go on sale almost immediately to maximise peak periods.

 

[unfocused]

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October, November Christmas Present purchases.
...

I don't know about you but my Christmas budget doesn't extend into the DSLR price range and I'm envious of anyone that is in a family where buying DSLR price range gifts is "normal."

I'm always surprised at how much some people spend on Christmas gifts. On the other hand, I think a lot of times the special offers available around Black Friday/Christmas serve as a "push" to get people to buy cameras they have been thinking about anyway.

 

[J.R.]

...
October, November Christmas Present purchases.
...

I don't know about you but my Christmas budget doesn't extend into the DSLR price range and I'm envious of anyone that is in a family where buying DSLR price range gifts is "normal."

I'm always surprised at how much some people spend on Christmas gifts. On the other hand, I think a lot of times the special offers available around Black Friday/Christmas serve as a "push" to get people to buy cameras they have been thinking about anyway.

I've seen a number of people actually delay their purchasing decisions to Black Friday / Christmas in the hope of getting a killer deal. To my understanding, this would explain in part, the slow sales prior to Christmas.