More Canon EOS 6D Specifications Talk [CR1]

[rrcphoto]

Tilt screen would not make sense on the 6D - I'm wondering if that's a fully articulated screen aka the 80D, as the back panel of the 6D is obviously tweaked to already incorporate a fully articulating hinge.

 

[canonic]

Oh Canon 6D2, you cant speak 4K, i see.
Dont worry, there is always a Sony there to help 8)

Edit: I know, you dont care if i need 4K for video ... but i dont care either what your needs are.
Fact is, speaking of video and comparing to the competition, Canon is far far behind. Where are the "5D2 days"?

 

[ahsanford]

The 5D line will eventually get a tilty flippy, but the 1DX line? That's far less certain.

Canon may hold off on this hoping that the short-distance bandwidth of wireless (WiFi, NFC, etc) will allow them to integrate better with phones/mobile devices as the viewscreen. In those difficult situations, wouldn't it be better to control your camera from a comfy chair 5m away, rather than bend over a tiny flip-screen?

I hear you, but if I just want to shoot over a crowd of people or down at floor/street level, a tilty-flippy would be strongly preferred over cracking out a second device.

- A

 

[transpo1]

<p>There’s more Canon EOS 6D Mark II specification talk making it’s way around the web, most of it is what I would call expected.</p>
<p>First up, the camera will have DPAF and a fully functional touch and tilting LCD screen. This will be the first full frame Canon DSLR to get a tilt screen. The EOS 6D Mark II will NOT shoot 4K video, which will disappoint some, but I think most would expect it to be omitted.</p>
<p>A “new AF system” has also been mentioned, though the <a href="http://www.*********.com/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-to-feature-dual-pixel-auto-focus-dpaf-cw4/">original source</a> for the AF system rumor doesn’t know how many AF points it will have. The expected number has been 19, but we cannot confirm it.</p>
<ul>
<li>24MP or 25MP sensor (Difference between effective and actual?)</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF</li>
<li>Dual SD card slots</li>
<li>NO 4K</li>
<li>Fully functional touch screen</li>
<li>Tilting LCD</li>
<li>New AF system</li>
<li>NFC</li>
<li>Wifi</li>
<li>GPS</li>
<li>Slightly smaller and lighter</li>
<li>Announcement expected Q1 2017 (We’ve been told it’s possible the camera will come in Q2 of 2017)</li>
</ul>
<p>The rumor mill post Photokina has been pretty quiet and what has come in has been contradictory. As such, this usually tells us nothing is on the imminent horizon and most things will be vague.</p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

Incredible. I'm actually really surprised even though I shouldn't be. That Canon would omit 4K on a full frame DSLR in 2016 just floors me. I expected it to be hobbled in some way, but none at all?

And I disagree that most would expect it to be omitted. Another slap in the face from Canon marketing and a vain attempt to protect their Cinema EOS line and 5DIV prosumer cam.

Note to Canon: you don't have to protect the 5DIV video features because you've already lost all your prosumer DSLR video customers.

 

[hbr]

When the 6D first came out I was using the T2i. The 6D was billed as an entry level Full Frame camera designed for people like me who could not afford the 5DIII to move up from a crop sensor camera to improve their image quality. I purchased my 6D right after it came out and absolutely loved it for what it was. My only complaint was the 11 focus points in the center of the screen. lack of f8 capability when I used my 400 mm f5.6 lens with a 1.4 teleconverter and the slow frame rate. I paid full price of $2100 for it.

While I like the rumored specs of the 6DII I am not sure there is enough incentive for me to upgrade, especially if there are only 19 focus points. If it has the 45 focus points of the 80D I might consider upgrading.

I also own the 7DII for my action and wildlife photography, but the 6D is still better in low light. I don't need the 6DII to be a speed demon, but I would like to go to airshows with it.

 

[Roy2001]

No 4K? No way.

 

[unfocused]

These specs look reasonable and likely. The original 6D was criticized on forums and by critics, but was very popular with buyers. (Possibly the best selling full frame digital camera ever.)

I expect the 6DII will be released to lots of whining, but will end up selling very well.

It seems like the biggest questions will be the autofocus system and whether or not it will have 4K. So far, Canon has not been in a rush to implement 4K in its consumer grade cameras. That may change if their market research indicates it is needed. Ultimately that decision will be driven by a cold, dispassionate assessment of the market, not by people whining on the internet.

I would expect a slight improvement in the autofocus system, as that is the upgrade most people seem to want the most. But, those expecting a 5D III equivalent might be disappointed.

 

[pedro]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO? A very good ISO 51k could be a deal breaker for me...

 

[hbr]

I would like 4k video, but if it makes the price go up, I could do without it as I am mainly a landscape and portrait stills photographer. Less noise, higher iso performance, better dynamic range and f8 cross type af points are the most important features necessary for me to shell out my hard-earned dough.

 

[ahsanford]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO? A very good ISO 51k could be a deal breaker for me...

Good 51k high ISO wouldn't be a deal breaker so much as a deal maker, wouldn't it? (Unless the deal was to resist buying this. )

- A

 

[Maiaibing]

Incredible. I'm actually really surprised even though I shouldn't be. That Canon would omit 4K on a full frame DSLR in 2016 just floors me. I expected it to be hobbled in some way, but none at all?

And I disagree that most would expect it to be omitted. Another slap in the face from Canon marketing and a vain attempt to protect their Cinema EOS line and 5DIV prosumer cam.

Note to Canon: you don't have to protect the 5DIV video features because you've already lost all your prosumer DSLR video customers.

Now if you actually believe your last claim yourself, you should hardly be surprised at seeing a 6D without 4K?

 

[ahsanford]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO? A very good ISO 51k could be a deal breaker for me...

If a 6D# sensor gets higher sensor marks than a 5D# again, 5D4 stills-only folks will wonder what the hell they shelled out their bucks for.

The 5D4 is supposed to comprehensively outperform the 6D2 -- in fps, resolution, AF, etc. and I think the sensor is no exception.

So as much as you have a point -- larger pixels with same-gen sensor technology would have room to improve with low light -- I wonder if Canon might spoil the soup a bit on that front and simply offer 6D2 low light parity with the 5D4 instead.

- A

 

[Random Orbits]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO? A very good ISO 51k could be a deal breaker for me...

If a 6D# sensor gets higher sensor marks than a 5D# again, 5D4 stills-only folks will wonder what the hell they shelled out their bucks for.

The 5D4 is supposed to comprehensively outperform the 6D2 -- in fps, resolution, AF, etc. and I think the sensor is no exception.

So as much as you have a point -- larger pixels with same-gen sensor technology would have room to improve with low light -- I wonder if Canon might spoil the soup a bit on that front and simply offer 6D2 low light parity with the 5D4 instead.

- A

In some interview with Canon execs linked here in CanonRumors, it was stated that Canon uses the sensors with the best technology at the time. This partly explains why the 6D sensor was superior to the 5DIII in noise/banding, and given that the 6DII follows the 5DIV, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Canon will use frame rate, AF system and MP as differentiators again between the 5DIV and 6DII.

 

[Josh Denver]

The specs are saying there's NO UPMARKET MOVE. Thus a price more or less the same as the last 6D. Around 2100$ - or + 200.

From what it's shaping up to be, it seems like a 6D with the user requests addressed like all Canon successors.

On the 6D the requests are:

-Better AF system
-Dynamic range
-Single Card slot

These were the first things you found needed to be better once you tested the 6D, thus Canon will fix them with a doubt, and we'll find new more in-depth nip-ticking, and Canon will address these in the next model.


The movable LCD is a requsted feature and is very obvious for the non tank FF camera model.

Of course being a new Canon it will have the new Canon features/menus, touchscreen, anti flickr, etc

It all adds up and makes a hell of a stills camera for portraiture/nature/landscape/architecture/studio and virtually everything except for high speed stills, which you need a 7DII for.

No upmarket.

 

[jayphotoworks]

<p>There’s more Canon EOS 6D Mark II specification talk making it’s way around the web, most of it is what I would call expected.</p>
<p>First up, the camera will have DPAF and a fully functional touch and tilting LCD screen. This will be the first full frame Canon DSLR to get a tilt screen. The EOS 6D Mark II will NOT shoot 4K video, which will disappoint some, but I think most would expect it to be omitted.</p>
<p>A “new AF system” has also been mentioned, though the <a href="http://www.*********.com/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-to-feature-dual-pixel-auto-focus-dpaf-cw4/">original source</a> for the AF system rumor doesn’t know how many AF points it will have. The expected number has been 19, but we cannot confirm it.</p>
<ul>
<li>24MP or 25MP sensor (Difference between effective and actual?)</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF</li>
<li>Dual SD card slots</li>
<li>NO 4K</li>
<li>Fully functional touch screen</li>
<li>Tilting LCD</li>
<li>New AF system</li>
<li>NFC</li>
<li>Wifi</li>
<li>GPS</li>
<li>Slightly smaller and lighter</li>
<li>Announcement expected Q1 2017 (We’ve been told it’s possible the camera will come in Q2 of 2017)</li>
</ul>
<p>The rumor mill post Photokina has been pretty quiet and what has come in has been contradictory. As such, this usually tells us nothing is on the imminent horizon and most things will be vague.</p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

Incredible. I'm actually really surprised even though I shouldn't be. That Canon would omit 4K on a full frame DSLR in 2016 just floors me. I expected it to be hobbled in some way, but none at all?

And I disagree that most would expect it to be omitted. Another slap in the face from Canon marketing and a vain attempt to protect their Cinema EOS line and 5DIV prosumer cam.

Note to Canon: you don't have to protect the 5DIV video features because you've already lost all your prosumer DSLR video customers.

I don't know the extent of the prosumer DSLR video crowd, other than how I feel about it and what I've written previously, but from a video/film only perspective, on the projects I've worked on in the last 6 months, it's been all FS7s and FS5s and to a lesser extent Blackmagic gear. I see a lot of Canon glass with or without adapters around, but not a single Canon C body. I do see them occasionally for ENG work at events, etc. but I'm seeing more and more Sony (FS) gear. It's a stark contrast to the days of the 5D2. It makes me wonder how their EOS Cinema line is actually doing. Next year, I'm looking for a cinema camera and I definitely will not be cross shopping a C100/C300.

 

[rrcphoto]

The specs are saying there's NO UPMARKET MOVE. Thus a price more or less the same as the last 6D. Around 2100$ - or + 200.

From what it's shaping up to be, it seems like a 6D with the user requests addressed like all Canon successors.

On the 6D the requests are:

-Better AF system
-Dynamic range
-Single Card slot

These were the first things you found needed to be better once you tested the 6D, thus Canon will fix them with a doubt, and we'll find new more in-depth nip-ticking, and Canon will address these in the next model.


The movable LCD is a requsted feature and is very obvious for the non tank FF camera model.

Of course being a new Canon it will have the new Canon features/menus, touchscreen, anti flickr, etc

It all adds up and makes a hell of a stills camera for portraiture/nature/landscape/architecture/studio and virtually everything except for high speed stills, which you need a 7DII for.

No upmarket.

pretty much. however some will whine no matter what it seems.

 

[Mikehit]

If a 6D# sensor gets higher sensor marks than a 5D# again, 5D4 stills-only folks will wonder what the hell they shelled out their bucks for.

The 5D4 is supposed to comprehensively outperform the 6D2 -- in fps, resolution, AF, etc. and I think the sensor is no exception.
“I was calling Ellie Goulding, and Rita Ora, all these guys, saying, ‘Do you want to sing this line?’ I got nothing.”

Exactly the same complaint was made when the 6D was released after the 5D3. Yet both models went on to become highly successful. Why would Canon, based on experience, believe the same could not happen again?

 

[Mikehit]

ok that's it. Canon has decided to keep Canon DSLR sales for photographers, like before the 5d2 period. They obviously see the hybrid concept not as good as having two separate lines for video and photo. I have no idea but I think Canon will lose some serious sales for that decision, because consumers/prosumers buy the DSLR bodies based on Specs and 4K is at front now even if they never use it. And the C100 user is an entirely different user, a smaller market than DSLR shoppers.

6D MKII seems purely for photographers.

So tell me. Which camera would they migrate to that does everything the 6D does plus 4k plus the support of all those wonderful lenses. At the same price (or lower).
Plus anything approaching quality customer support?

 

[unfocused]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO?...

Use any of the various sensor comparison tools on review sites and compare the high ISO performance of the 1DX II and the 5DIV. Take whatever the difference you see and split it down the middle, that's what you could expect from a 24 mp sensor.

 

[rfdesigner]

Based on Canon's new sensor tech in comparison to the current 30 MP sensor of 5DIV, what can be expected in low light high ISO IQ at a lower MP count? 1/3 to 1/2 stop better high ISO?...

Use any of the various sensor comparison tools on review sites and compare the high ISO performance of the 1DX II and the 5DIV. Take whatever the difference you see and split it down the middle, that's what you could expect from a 24 mp sensor.

+1

it will be the same technology... with one proviso: the ADCs may be a little slower (no 4k, lower frame rate) so the readout noise could be a little lower, shot noise will be similar though, so I wouldn't get excited about high ISO improvements. My maths says there's about 2 stops to go before you're at 100% efficiency, and those two last stops are very expensive.