More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[douglaurent]

Many seem to forget that - if Canon keeps the product cycles - these specs will be the standard until the year 2020.

But inn the year 2020, a lot of features not included in the 5D4 like in body stabilization, focus peaking, video log, 4k 60fps etc etc will be available in similar priced or cheaper cameras since up to 6 years by then!

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

At least Canon could offer more expensive versions of the 5D4 with swivel screen etc. No idea why that's not possible!!!

of course you make the assumption that most people buy the camera for video features.

you could be seriously wrong you know.

also .. canon's market user base is somewhere around 24-28 million in the last 4 or so years.

they have MORE than enough users that are qualified to upgrade to the 5D Mark III on pure photography reasons, over your whiney little video ones. As you say "Many seem to forget that.........."

Cheers and have a blessed day.

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

 

[douglaurent]

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

Many seem to forget that Canon has led the ILC market for 13+ years and they're currently gaining market share. Many seem to think that they know better than Canon how to design, make and sell ILCs, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Probably you belong to the large group of people who simply have never worked with cameras that have all the many features the 5D4 will be missing.

Most of the market share comes through cheap model consumers who don't even know what f-stop, shutter speed and ISO means. Of course they do not all ask for mirrorless and other features today, as they have no clue what they mean and how they would lead to much better results and a more pleasant workflow.

 

[doog]

except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

And I have little doubt something gets lost in chasing one metric so aggressively.


Nikon just hands you one indisputably overall best rig. There's a simplicity in that for those looking for 'best' gear.

Again, I'd never leave Canon and they delight me far more than they frustrate me, but I must respect Nikon's approach to this.

Canon delights me too!
By 'best rig, simplicity of choice'- are you thinking strictly of the latest bodies? I've had Canon dSLRs beginning with the -game-changing!- 20D. Followed by the -paradigm-shifting!!- 5D. Tried the stuck-in-the-feature-mud 5D2, dumped it and waited for -finally!!!- the 5D3. (Foolishly plumped for the 1D3 too- sad sunk cost). When I scooped up the category-scorching 7D2 (I'd tried the 7D), my action photography took flight.
And through all these iterations, all these plodding (mind-boggling, actually) leaps, the heaps of Canon lenses continue to challenge my own skill (the distraction limit).
Maybe I'm just a zealous apostate- In the sixties, I swanned around with a brace of Nikon F around my neck; still keep one as a spring-driven paperweight.

 

[Loswr]

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

Many seem to forget that Canon has led the ILC market for 13+ years and they're currently gaining market share. Many seem to think that they know better than Canon how to design, make and sell ILCs, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Probably you belong to the large group of people who simply have never worked with cameras that have all the many features the 5D4 will be missing.

An erroneous assumption on your part. Many fail to appreciate that a camera is only one part of an imaging system.

 

[rrcphoto]

Many seem to forget that - if Canon keeps the product cycles - these specs will be the standard until the year 2020.

But inn the year 2020, a lot of features not included in the 5D4 like in body stabilization, focus peaking, video log, 4k 60fps etc etc will be available in similar priced or cheaper cameras since up to 6 years by then!

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

At least Canon could offer more expensive versions of the 5D4 with swivel screen etc. No idea why that's not possible!!!

of course you make the assumption that most people buy the camera for video features.

you could be seriously wrong you know.

also .. canon's market user base is somewhere around 24-28 million in the last 4 or so years.

they have MORE than enough users that are qualified to upgrade to the 5D Mark III on pure photography reasons, over your whiney little video ones. As you say "Many seem to forget that.........."

Cheers and have a blessed day.

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

IBIS .. canon doesnt' have any patents.. the rest? photo options.. yeah okay.. keep dreaming on that one.

 

[LukasS]

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

I've tried IBIS with OMD EM5 - worst choice in history of my purchases. It worked fine on a typical day, but during flight (gliders, when there was a lot of sun in the cabin) or during holidays - I GOT ONLY BLACK SCREEN. So no photos or movies there - it overheated because of these wonderful features.

The same goes for other mirrorless bodies like SONY - they overhead also. And this is main reason for Canon not to provide features that are NOT RELIABLE. I've got my 10D till this day (12 years), my 5D works for last 7 years without any problems.

If these specs are real - I'm in, finally body worthy an upgrade.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Zoom Lock?

The 24-105 shows the focus switch and the top of the IS switch in positions corresponding to the older lens. But on the right -- another switch -- could that be a zoom lock? Really my number one desired feature on a 24-105 mkII.

http://www.cameraegg.org/ef-16-35mm-f2-8l-iii-usm-ef-24-105mm-f4l-is-ii-usm-images/

Lots of good info here: Thanks, CanonRumors guy!

A zoom lock on the 24-105L II is a near certainty. Heck, the 24-70 f/4L IS got a zoom lock, so I'd imagine any new EF externally zooming lens of any discernible mass (i.e. that wasn't 18-55 kit plasticky) would get one.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

hah! is this it??!

I think I may have found it! 8)

Here's an HDR patent from canon.

http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150181103&IDKey=97FBC1FAFFB9

Paragraph 006 is the interesting part:

However there has been no reference to generation of an HDR image using the configuration of the imaging apparatus discussed in Japanese Patent Application Laid-Open No 2013-072906, ie: an image sensor including a plurality of pupil division pixels assigned to one microlens.


So what exactly is Japan patent app 2013-072906?

it's just happens to be the Dual Pixel sensor patent.

https://www4.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/cgi-bin/tran_web_cgi_ejje?u=http://www4.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/eng/translation/201608181153128862162092636633203253D982F02C993A776B3D91CF331ADEE

now time to read that patent in detail..

 

[tr573]

Who is that Bill?

This Bill.

I know that. Thanks. And why they call it Bill?

Because it's his name

 

[Wesley]

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

I've tried IBIS with OMD EM5 - worst choice in history of my purchases. It worked fine on a typical day, but during flight (gliders, when there was a lot of sun in the cabin) or during holidays - I GOT ONLY BLACK SCREEN. So no photos or movies there - it overheated because of these wonderful features.

The same goes for other mirrorless bodies like SONY - they overhead also. And this is main reason for Canon not to provide features that are NOT RELIABLE. I've got my 10D till this day (12 years), my 5D works for last 7 years without any problems.

If these specs are real - I'm in, finally body worthy an upgrade.

You're not suppose to use IBIS (or lens IS) with very fast shutter speed.
I don't get how holiday shooting would affect IBIS ???

Sony a77 / a99 has IBIS and haven't read any overheating so it is reliable and there is no reason for Canon to not put it in a DSLR.

 

[rrcphoto]

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

I've tried IBIS with OMD EM5 - worst choice in history of my purchases. It worked fine on a typical day, but during flight (gliders, when there was a lot of sun in the cabin) or during holidays - I GOT ONLY BLACK SCREEN. So no photos or movies there - it overheated because of these wonderful features.

The same goes for other mirrorless bodies like SONY - they overhead also. And this is main reason for Canon not to provide features that are NOT RELIABLE. I've got my 10D till this day (12 years), my 5D works for last 7 years without any problems.

If these specs are real - I'm in, finally body worthy an upgrade.

You're not suppose to use IBIS (or lens IS) with very fast shutter speed.
I don't get how holiday shooting would affect IBIS ???

Sony a77 / a99 has IBIS and haven't read any overheating so it is reliable and there is no reason for Canon to not put it in a DSLR.

yeah except for a small minor quibbling thing called a patent portfolio.

and the fact that it's idiotic for a SLR to have IBIS over lens stabilization.

:

 

[Talley]

Just packaged up the 5D3 and will be shipping it off tomorrow... I don't even feel sad! I'm just uber excited to get the 5D4 now 8)

Hope this 80D my wife has will tie me over till then.

 

[Wesley]

The features i mention ARE ALL relevant photo features: in body stabilization. focus peaking for manual lenses. 4K 60fps so you have 60 frames of 9 megapixel photos. C-Log so you have these 60 jpgs in a more raw form. And the list goes on like that. It just probably takes until the year 2025 that most users do find out what they could do with a camera if it's not artifically limited through marketing and sales departments.

I've tried IBIS with OMD EM5 - worst choice in history of my purchases. It worked fine on a typical day, but during flight (gliders, when there was a lot of sun in the cabin) or during holidays - I GOT ONLY BLACK SCREEN. So no photos or movies there - it overheated because of these wonderful features.

The same goes for other mirrorless bodies like SONY - they overhead also. And this is main reason for Canon not to provide features that are NOT RELIABLE. I've got my 10D till this day (12 years), my 5D works for last 7 years without any problems.

If these specs are real - I'm in, finally body worthy an upgrade.

You're not suppose to use IBIS (or lens IS) with very fast shutter speed.
I don't get how holiday shooting would affect IBIS ???

Sony a77 / a99 has IBIS and haven't read any overheating so it is reliable and there is no reason for Canon to not put it in a DSLR.

yeah except for a small minor quibbling thing called a patent portfolio.

and the fact that it's idiotic for a SLR to have IBIS over lens stabilization.

:

Patent portfolio? How this relevant?

No one said one or the other. IBIS and IS in harmony for more stabilized axis.

 

[afonsoclj]

I've tried Magic Lanterna Dual ISO on my 5D3, but gave up because of complicated workflow, but still loved the idea. The bigger problems in ML Dual ISO appear when the ISO settings have much different values (such as 100/1600), it's some kind of ISO-Moiré. I think that this issue would not happen with the dual pixel architecture. Maybe the workflow will be as easy as an HDR on Lr/Ps. I am really excited about it! Please pardon my english.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Many seem to forget that - if Canon keeps the product cycles - these specs will be the standard until the year 2020.

But inn the year 2020, a lot of features not included in the 5D4 like in body stabilization, focus peaking, video log, 4k 60fps etc etc will be available in similar priced or cheaper cameras since up to 6 years by then!

It is obvious that Canon's marketing department thinks that the slowest possible speed of innovation is still the way to sell most products. They are wrong, because for many the improvements are not enough to upgrade.

At least Canon could offer more expensive versions of the 5D4 with swivel screen etc. No idea why that's not possible!!!

Yeah I do wisht they would lead again for once! With their long cycles, and already starting to answer a year or many late, to only match. They are such followers. The old Canon is long gone .

 

[hne]

I'm pretty sure that this "Dual Pixel raw" thing will be a possibility to use the sensor's distance/sharpness data later in DPP (or if later implemented in Lightroom for example) to do corrections/effects only in unsharp or sharp, close or far away parts of the picture.

If "Dual Pixel raw" is more than markeding speech for "increased bit depth", this will likely be it.
Real distance-dependent haze removal!

If this "Dual Pixel raw" thing really amounts to the storage in the raw file of the individual halves of the pixels, applying filters with distance masking is barely scratching the surface on what amazing features could be implemented. How about (in order of increasing mathematical complexity) 18 stops DR at base ISO (if one half of each pixel is run at ISO6400 and the other ISO100) constructing a full-color 3D model from just three pictures, correction of longitudinal chromatic aberration? correction of focal plane curvature, tweaking focus distance in post processing?

 

[rrcphoto]

Patent portfolio? How this relevant?

No one said one or the other. IBIS and IS in harmony for more stabilized axis.

you're joking right? how are patents relevant? if you don't have the patent and someone else does .. how do you expect to use the invention legally? do you think canon files all those patents yearly just for shi.. and giggles?

and you still missed the point. IBIS in a SLR is idiotic. if you stop and consider it for a moment you'd realize why. or should.

 

[Wesley]

Patent portfolio? How this relevant?

No one said one or the other. IBIS and IS in harmony for more stabilized axis.

you're joking right? how are patents relevant? if you don't have the patent and someone else does .. how do you expect to use the invention legally? do you think canon files all those patents yearly just for shi.. and giggles?

and you still missed the point. IBIS in a SLR is idiotic. if you stop and consider it for a moment you'd realize why. or should.

Olympus, Sony, Pentax...they use IBIS. So who's using the patent illegally?

 

[rrcphoto]

Patent portfolio? How this relevant?

No one said one or the other. IBIS and IS in harmony for more stabilized axis.

you're joking right? how are patents relevant? if you don't have the patent and someone else does .. how do you expect to use the invention legally? do you think canon files all those patents yearly just for shi.. and giggles?

and you still missed the point. IBIS in a SLR is idiotic. if you stop and consider it for a moment you'd realize why. or should.

Olympus, Sony, Pentax...they use IBIS. So who's using the patent illegally?

Olympus and Pentax had their own patents, sony gained part of olympus's patent portfolio as part of the financial package they did with them years back. panasonic and olympus may share patents .. no idea.

usually each one of these patents finds "another way" of doing it as to not void the other campanies patents.

Canon and Nikon in their portfolios have VR / IS patents. no IBIS, so they can't just magically take apart a sony A7RII and "make IBIS" because they feel like it.

every piece of significant tech in these cameras are covered by patents.. that you can be assured of.

 

[Wesley]

Patent portfolio? How this relevant?

No one said one or the other. IBIS and IS in harmony for more stabilized axis.

you're joking right? how are patents relevant? if you don't have the patent and someone else does .. how do you expect to use the invention legally? do you think canon files all those patents yearly just for shi.. and giggles?

and you still missed the point. IBIS in a SLR is idiotic. if you stop and consider it for a moment you'd realize why. or should.

Olympus, Sony, Pentax...they use IBIS. So who's using the patent illegally?

Olympus and Pentax had their own patents, sony gained part of olympus's patent portfolio as part of the financial package they did with them years back. panasonic and olympus may share patents .. no idea.

usually each one of these patents finds "another way" of doing it as to not void the other campanies patents.

Canon and Nikon in their portfolios have VR / IS patents. no IBIS, so they can't just magically take apart a sony A7RII and "make IBIS" because they feel like it.

every piece of significant tech in these cameras are covered by patents.. that you can be assured of.

Olympus/Sony and Pentax. Two separate entities using IBIS so bringing up patent portfolio was a moot point. I'm sure a company like Canon can developed their own IBIS.

Pentax must be idiotic for putting IBIS in their DSLR.

Even third-party have lens stabilization, big whoop.