More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[Donkey_Kong]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

I agree, it's always better is some regard to buy the genuine grip at the same time as you buy the body

 

[mclaren777]

Why?

Because they're basically indistinguishable from the Canon version. I think people should buy first-party batteries, but it seems wasteful to buy first-party grips.

http://pietrzyk.us/canon-5d-mark-iii-battery-grip-study/

"Look: Excellent. Note that the Vivitar PG-5DMIII looks exactly like the Canon BG-E11. The size and placement of buttons, switches and dials are exactly the same as the Canon BG-E11, so much so that the only way to tell the difference between the Vivitar PG-5DMIII and the Canon BG-E11 while mounted to the camera is the Vivitar brand on the bottom of the grip."

 

[3kramd5]

I agree, it's always better is some regard to buy the genuine grip at the same time as you buy the body

Why?

 

[Eersel]

This camera, based on the rumors of course - is looking to be a big win.

Here's my take on the new features/upgrades that are looking very good -


30.4mp - Very well placed do-all MP count, IF the ISO and DR performance holds up.

7fps - nice upgrade, fast camera for the FPS.

100% viewfinder - good. No 97-99% nonsense.

LCD tone adjustment (warm / standard / cool1 / cool2) - better to have and not need, than need and not have!

Dual Pixel RAW -- Not sure if this will help with DR, but adds creative possibilities. I don't suspect it will be gimmicky, but perhaps not revolutionary either.

New noise reduction algorithm - always welcome, assuming noise control will actually be better.

-3ev (-4ev in live view) -- to be expected, and much needed. -3.5 or -4ev would have been better, but this is good enough. The -2ev of the 5D3 was not cutting it at all. A few times I had to switch to my 6D because the 5D3 wouldn't lock focus in a dark reception hall leading to missed shots.

150,000-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor. 252 zone photometry -- Better metering always welcome.
EOS iSA system
EOS iTR system

Anti-flicker - A must have feature now.

ISO 100-102400 (extended sensitivity) - good. Based on photos, expecting 32000 top end, which suggests about a 1/3-1/2 stop improvement.

24/30fps @ 4K - all the video stuff is a step up, even though the video fanatics will bash it compared to other brands. It's a DSLR, not a movie camera. For the vast majority of users, these video features are pretty strong. If they aren't up to your needs, you are a serious power user that needs to step up to dedicated high-end video equipment. Or you can just keep your overheating Sony and troll webforums. Just my $0.02
60fps @ 1080
120fps @ 720
8.8mp still from 4K video

New Picture Style “Fine Detail” - nice to have when working in JPG.

Time-lapse movie - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.
Built-in interval timer and valve timer - More creative options without having to buy additional equipment. Nice to have.

Mirror vibration control system (MVCS) - Very nice, this will improve sharpness. All the megapixels in the world doesn't help if you can't keep steady as possible. A perfectly still 20mp image trumps a vibrated 50mp image anyday.

GPS built-in - ok.

Wi-Fi - very good. Hopefully a better implementation than in the past.

FTP · FTPS can be transferred wirelessly also only in the body -- if this is for image file transfer - BIG WIN. This would make the Eyefi cards obsolete. I'm hoping this is what this is referring to.

NFC - ok

SD / SDHC / SDXC and CompactFlash TypeII -- this is a win because it isn't an "upgrade", no buying stupid, expensive proprietary cards and readers that offers no real world advantage for this camera.

USB 3.0, HDMI, microphone -- good. USB 3 is fast tethering. Wish it were USB-C.

Battery: LP-E6N / LP-E6 -- another win, no need to buy new set of batteries. At $50-$60 a pop, this adds up just like the memory cards.


Looks like memory cards and batteries are left the same - that way, the upgrade choice is a lot easier as no one has to factor in the high costs of batteries and new cards. This is a smart move by Canon. For the base price, you can upgrade, not the price of the body + hundreds more for batteries and cards.

Ok is right. But I agree with what you've stated.

Dual pixel RAW is definitely a great opportunity.

Wonder what NFC would be used for mostly??

 

[LoneRider]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

Lytro is alive and doing well

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/lytro-cinema-camera-light-field/

The really cool part is, fewer blue/green screens are necessary, all you have to do is set a region for interesting rays. Everything behind and forward of that region can be excluded.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

I agree, it's always better is some regard to buy the genuine grip at the same time as you buy the body

Why?

Because then you have the use of the grip for the entire lifespan of the camera. No point spending nearly the same amount of money on a grip a year after you bought the camera, you may as well have had it the entire time. I personally try to avoid using the grip when I can, however I like having it in my bag for times when I feel like shooting with it (70-200 mainly).

 

[3kramd5]

I always thought Lytro was fake/scam since I never saw evidence that it worked _as they advertised_. I read about some gimmick smoke screens to go around that like taking multiple pictures at different settings.

Hopefully the dpraw is something real.

Lytro is alive and doing well

The company is certainly alive. Doing well though? Have they sold any of their cinema stuff?

 

[3kramd5]

I agree, it's always better is some regard to buy the genuine grip at the same time as you buy the body

Why?

Because then you have the use of the grip for the entire lifespan of the camera. No point spending nearly the same amount of money on a grip a year after you bought the camera, you may as well have had it the entire time. I personally try to avoid using the grip when I can, however I like having it in my bag for times when I feel like shooting with it (70-200 mainly).

Fair enough. Although you could make the same argument for buying lenses, speedlights, tripods, transmitters, etc. you may rarely use.

I'm more of a "buy it when I need or want it" kind of a consumer. I use grips probably less than 5% of the time. If I buy one with the 5D4, it will likely remain in the packaging for a considerable amount of time.

If I used them consistently, sure, I'd buy one immediately (or more likely buy a full sized body).

 

[mclaren777]

I'm in the same boat. I use a battery grip on my 5D3 roughly 10 days/year so I really don't see a lot of value in buying the five-times-as-expensive Canon version.

 

[rrcphoto]

Why?

Because they're basically indistinguishable from the Canon version.

for a fact canon's grips for the 5D and 7D are made from mag alloy contruction.

I have never heard the same words with third party grips.

 

[PureClassA]

I like DPP but don't use it in my regular workflow. I'm a Photoshop guy. I'm wondering if Canon will be doing some funky encoding that will prevent (or at least greatly hamper) third party adoption of the DPAF RAW format. :'(

DP RAW is itself a funky encoding that no other camera made has because DPAF is a proprietary patent by Canon. Every other DSLR and MILC on earth has a sensor with single pixels under a single micro lens. Even though the software and encoding may be slightly different, every other RAW is more or less the same process for third party software like LR and DxO. Once you have Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, etc... RAW figured out, it's not much tweaking to tune it to whatever new camera that same company makes next.... unless of course you create an entirely new split pixel sensor tech that can read out into a RAW file with split pixel data left uncombined.... Now LR and DxO programs have no idea what to do with it. Could they figure it out eventually? Perhaps. Is Canon going to give them the math? Not likely. They have never shared Canon RAW data with anyone else before. If I'm not mistaken, few other companies have either.

So if you still shoot in regular old RAW, you're fine! On the special occasion/shot when you really need/want that extra latitude, then you'll need to use DPP (at least for now). I doubt you'd want to shoot every shot in DP RAW anyway. That's almost 70MB per frame! That 5DSR territory.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

It's like the guys who moan about having to buy new RRS style L plates for their new camera. It usually makes me chuckle.

 

[PureClassA]

By the way, I'm assuming this DP RAW can only be shot with Live View? Anyone? Or will it still work with OVF and a delayed shutter/mirror lock up engaged? Just enough time for the DPAF to kick in once the sensor is exposed?

 

[Sharlin]

By the way, I'm assuming this DP RAW can only be shot with Live View? Anyone? Or will it still work with OVF and a delayed shutter/mirror lock up engaged? Just enough time for the DPAF to kick in once the sensor is exposed?

Surely there's no "kick in"? The dual photosites are always there, it's just a question of whether you just sum their values pairwise like when doing a regular exposure or also store a difference or however it's going to work.

 

[3kramd5]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

It's like the guys who moan about having to buy new RRS style L plates for their new camera. It usually makes me chuckle.

Except this is a discussion about 1st vs 3rd party. There are no 1st party L plates. If there were, a discussion about whether using canon's is better than using RRS's would be worthwhile.

 

[PureClassA]

By the way, I'm assuming this DP RAW can only be shot with Live View? Anyone? Or will it still work with OVF and a delayed shutter/mirror lock up engaged? Just enough time for the DPAF to kick in once the sensor is exposed?

Surely there's no "kick in"? The dual photosites are always there, it's just a question of whether you just sum their values pairwise like when doing a regular exposure or also store a difference or however it's going to work.

They are always there, but when you're using the 61pt AF system via the OVF, you're NOT using the focusing function of the DPAF. Those pixels may all be gathering light, but it's not like live view where the camera switches over to the the sensor based AF system. Question is will they need to achieve their OWN focus in order to yield the focus/bokeh latitude you want in post with DP RAW. If so, that has to be done in some Live View manner

 

[ahsanford]

I agree, it's always better is some regard to buy the genuine grip at the same time as you buy the body

Why?

Because then you have the use of the grip for the entire lifespan of the camera. No point spending nearly the same amount of money on a grip a year after you bought the camera, you may as well have had it the entire time. I personally try to avoid using the grip when I can, however I like having it in my bag for times when I feel like shooting with it (70-200 mainly).

Sure, but that logic only works if you are paying full price for the grip at any time in your camera ownership, i.e. if you are going to pay $275 in year 3 of ownership, you might as well pay $275 on day one to maximize the value of that item.

But if you can score a half-price grip in year 2 of ownership, perhaps a gently used one, it might be worth it.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Except this is a discussion about 1st vs 3rd party. There are no 1st party L plates. If there were, a discussion about whether using canon's is better than using RRS's would be worthwhile.

RRS sure do charge money like they are first party... :

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

By the way, I'm assuming this DP RAW can only be shot with Live View? Anyone? Or will it still work with OVF and a delayed shutter/mirror lock up engaged? Just enough time for the DPAF to kick in once the sensor is exposed?

Surely there's no "kick in"? The dual photosites are always there, it's just a question of whether you just sum their values pairwise like when doing a regular exposure or also store a difference or however it's going to work.

They are always there, but when you're using the 61pt AF system via the OVF, you're NOT using the focusing function of the DPAF. Those pixels may all be gathering light, but it's not like live view where the camera switches over to the the sensor based AF system. Question is will they need to achieve their OWN focus in order to yield the focus/bokeh latitude you want in post with DP RAW. If so, that has to be done in some Live View manner

why would they?

the parallax can be measured regardless .. it is simply a matter of canon outputting the values from both halfs at the time of capture, versus simply adding them.

 

[smorgo]

Is Canon going to give them the math? Not likely. They have never shared Canon RAW data with anyone else before. If I'm not mistaken, few other companies have either.

Are you sure?

From https://www.adobe.com/showcase/casestudies/canon/casestudy.pdf (which is talking about Acrobat, but the quote's relevant):

Canon has a strong relationship with Adobe, including integration between
Canon cameras and Adobe’s creative software solutions

I know Nikon were very secretive about their RAW format, but I didn't think the same was true of Canon. It wouldn't be wise, to be honest.