More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[GMCPhotographics]

Anybody thinks that it will be possible to link active AF-Point to metering like the 1dx!?

Not a chance....that seems to be a forgotten feature that's not trickling down from the 1D series / ahem...Eos-1.

 

[Deleted member 378221]

Anybody thinks that it will be possible to link active AF-Point to metering like the 1dx!?

Not a chance....that seems to be a forgotten feature that's not trickling down from the 1D series / ahem...Eos-1.

I'm really hoping you are wrong on this one (not saying you are). I know it's not directly related, but even the RGB metering sensor trickled down from the 1D series to the 5D4. I still hope they put in the AF-point spot metering by accident by forgetting to remove it from the common firmware tree. ;D
However this is not something you usually see in specs, I'm waiting for the manual...

 

[ahsanford]

Anybody thinks that it will be possible to link active AF-Point to metering like the 1dx!?

Not a chance....that seems to be a forgotten feature that's not trickling down from the 1D series / ahem...Eos-1.

+1, but if that feature is on a Nikon D5500, a guy can dream.

- A

 

[tron]

I hope that the AF system of 5DIV is exactly the same with 1DxII (AF at f/8 for all points). But I am not sure it will be...

 

[ahsanford]

I hope that the AF system of 5DIV is exactly the same with 1DxII (AF at f/8 for all points). But I am not sure it will be...

I need a compelling reason why it won't be the same. They've already nerfed the FPS to just +2 above a 5DS -- at least they could give us the proper AF setup!

- A

 

[Deleted member 378221]

The thing is that features once reserved für the very high-end models will end up in prosumer models sooner or later, then entry models much later. It is the way how you get people to buy the next generation. However Metering-at-AF-point ist not really that marketable as it's a solution to a complicated problem that not everyone has.
So in a conservative development scenario, if noone asks loudly enough for the feature, we might actually not get it for another few years.
Then again, the competition has it in their semi-pro models already. So as GMCPhotographics said one can hope.

 

[tron]

I hope that the AF system of 5DIV is exactly the same with 1DxII (AF at f/8 for all points). But I am not sure it will be...

I need a compelling reason why it won't be the same. They've already nerfed the FPS to just +2 above a 5DS -- at least they could give us the proper AF setup!

- A

I truly agree and hope so. We will know in a couple of days I guess...

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: --> 4K Video Limitations --> Re: More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

Yes, Canon maintains steady profits by doing so, but there are other ways to make profit, namely, by cannibalizing yourself and your own products to find what consumers want and selling on volume. Follow the lead of companies like Apple (under Jobs), who were fearless in coming out with new and better products that cannibalized existing lines because those products were the future.

Comments like this are always funny.

How exactly did Apple 'cannibalize' itself?

........Then, they decided to add their music players to cell phones...........

There is zero doubt that Apple deliberately cannibalized themselves, Jobs himself said in the iPhone keynote "the best iPod Apple ever made was an iPhone" .

That was no accident, they had made a very strong business with the iPod and completely ate it with the iPhone.

yeah they cannibalized themselves by undercutting a cheaper product with a more expensive product...
:

 

[Loswr]

Re: --> 4K Video Limitations --> Re: More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

Yes, Canon maintains steady profits by doing so, but there are other ways to make profit, namely, by cannibalizing yourself and your own products to find what consumers want and selling on volume. Follow the lead of companies like Apple (under Jobs), who were fearless in coming out with new and better products that cannibalized existing lines because those products were the future.

Comments like this are always funny.

How exactly did Apple 'cannibalize' itself?

........Then, they decided to add their music players to cell phones...........

There is zero doubt that Apple deliberately cannibalized themselves, Jobs himself said in the iPhone keynote "the best iPod Apple ever made was an iPhone" .

That was no accident, they had made a very strong business with the iPod and completely ate it with the iPhone.

yeah they cannibalized themselves by undercutting a cheaper product with a more expensive product...
:

#slappedbyhistory

 

[davidhfe]

Re: --> 4K Video Limitations --> Re: More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

Yes, Canon maintains steady profits by doing so, but there are other ways to make profit, namely, by cannibalizing yourself and your own products to find what consumers want and selling on volume. Follow the lead of companies like Apple (under Jobs), who were fearless in coming out with new and better products that cannibalized existing lines because those products were the future.

Comments like this are always funny.

How exactly did Apple 'cannibalize' itself?

........Then, they decided to add their music players to cell phones...........

There is zero doubt that Apple deliberately cannibalized themselves, Jobs himself said in the iPhone keynote "the best iPod Apple ever made was an iPhone" .

That was no accident, they had made a very strong business with the iPod and completely ate it with the iPhone.

yeah they cannibalized themselves by undercutting a cheaper product with a more expensive product...
:

Sorry if I'm misreading the eye roll emoji, but this is exactly what Apple did. Folks are confusing the concept of company profit with the concept of product line cannibalization.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: --> 4K Video Limitations --> Re: More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

Sorry if I'm misreading the eye roll emoji, but this is exactly what Apple did. Folks are confusing the concept of company profit with the concept of product line cannibalization.

By the literal definion of cannibalization, you are correct. One product stealing units from another -- regardless of price -- is cannibalization.

But trading units of Product A at Profit X for the same number of units of Product B at Profit 2X, that's mix-shift, or cannibalization a company can 100% get behind.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: --> 4K Video Limitations --> Re: More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

Sorry if I'm misreading the eye roll emoji, but this is exactly what Apple did. Folks are confusing the concept of company profit with the concept of product line cannibalization.

By the literal definion of cannibalization, you are correct. One product stealing units from another -- regardless of price -- is cannibalization.

But trading units of Product A at Profit X for the same number of units of Product B at Profit 2X, that's mix-shift, or cannibalization a company can 100% get behind.

- A

it is .. however the more traditional aspect is that you destroy a product with another one at the same price point or lower to maintain market presense.

to create a new product that superseded another .. isn't the classic usage. people act as if Apple made some giant leap of faith and courageous gamble... well no. if the iPhone bombed, they'd still have the ipod sales (obviously). if the iPhone superseded and supplanted the iPod, they were laughing to the bank.

there was no way apple was going to lose that really.

btw.. where the heck is the leaked announcement already?

 

[Jack Douglas]

Isn't the announcement date also just a rumor? Wouldn't that just rattle everyone.

Jack

 

[rrcphoto]

Isn't the announcement date also just a rumor? Wouldn't that just rattle everyone.

Jack

I wonder why canon didn't do it on 22 August, that would have been the 11 year anniversary of the 5D original.

in my little world, that would have made alot of sense!

 

[Jack Douglas]

Isn't the announcement date also just a rumor? Wouldn't that just rattle everyone.

Jack

I wonder why canon didn't do it on 22 August, that would have been the 11 year anniversary of the 5D original.

in my little world, that would have made alot of sense!

I should never have started reading these threads two weeks ago!

Jack

 

[John2016]

Finally media is waking up: (as I posted days ago....)

"Oops: Canon 5D Mark IV Spec Leak Might Mark Disappointment for Filmmakers"
http://nofilmschool.com/2016/08/canon-5d-mark-iv-specs-leak-wide

"MJPEG continues to be the codec of choice for 4K on Canon cameras… Give me a break. The file sizes are unmanageable and it always needs transcoding. This is the codec Panasonic used as their lower-quality 720p option 7 years ago on the GH1 and subsequently dumped!

So if it is really a 2x crop EF mount camera in 4K… Oh dear…with no 4K HDMI or LOG profile, not even an EVF or articulated screen, nor a mount that can accept a Speed Booster to mitigate the crop factor, is there really any point in paying $3200 for it?

I can’t see being a more compelling buy for 4K compared to a used 1D C.

It’s a shame because Canon could quite easily have put the glorious 305Mbit/s XF codec from the XC10 in the camera along with the superb set of pictures profiles and Canon LOG. As it is the 5D Mark IV just doesn’t move things on for video based on the specs that have already come out. The only reason I’d get it is for stills and Dual Pixel AF."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/photokina-2016-preview-summary-year-video-far/

"It turns out that with the Canon 1D C in 2012, the company was laying the groundwork for future 2016 cameras in terms of the codec. It’s just a shame the codec in question is a 1990’s one."

"The Samsung NX1’s 28 megapixel sensor gives us the closest idea of what the likely frame width is for 30 megapixel. In 16:9 aspect ratio it measures approximately 6500 pixels horizontally (6.5K in video terms) and 3600 pixels vertically. The Samsung sensor reads the whole 6.5K frame out to the image processor, which then down-samples to 4K in-camera. It’s extremely unlikely the full frame Canon sensor will be able to do the same thing as there’s simply no precedent for it in the range. Canon’s flagship 1D X Mark II can’t even read out a 20MP full frame image for video."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/depth-look-video-specs-canon-5d-mark-iv/



BRAVO CANON FOR THIS AMAZING 3 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT CAMERA ;D ;D ;D

 

[Loswr]

Finally media is waking up: (as I posted days ago....)

"Oops: Canon 5D Mark IV Spec Leak Might Mark Disappointment for Filmmakers"
http://nofilmschool.com/2016/08/canon-5d-mark-iv-specs-leak-wide

"MJPEG continues to be the codec of choice for 4K on Canon cameras… Give me a break. The file sizes are unmanageable and it always needs transcoding. This is the codec Panasonic used as their lower-quality 720p option 7 years ago on the GH1 and subsequently dumped!

So if it is really a 2x crop EF mount camera in 4K… Oh dear…with no 4K HDMI or LOG profile, not even an EVF or articulated screen, nor a mount that can accept a Speed Booster to mitigate the crop factor, is there really any point in paying $3200 for it?

I can’t see being a more compelling buy for 4K compared to a used 1D C.

It’s a shame because Canon could quite easily have put the glorious 305Mbit/s XF codec from the XC10 in the camera along with the superb set of pictures profiles and Canon LOG. As it is the 5D Mark IV just doesn’t move things on for video based on the specs that have already come out. The only reason I’d get it is for stills and Dual Pixel AF."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/photokina-2016-preview-summary-year-video-far/

"It turns out that with the Canon 1D C in 2012, the company was laying the groundwork for future 2016 cameras in terms of the codec. It’s just a shame the codec in question is a 1990’s one."

"The Samsung NX1’s 28 megapixel sensor gives us the closest idea of what the likely frame width is for 30 megapixel. In 16:9 aspect ratio it measures approximately 6500 pixels horizontally (6.5K in video terms) and 3600 pixels vertically. The Samsung sensor reads the whole 6.5K frame out to the image processor, which then down-samples to 4K in-camera. It’s extremely unlikely the full frame Canon sensor will be able to do the same thing as there’s simply no precedent for it in the range. Canon’s flagship 1D X Mark II can’t even read out a 20MP full frame image for video."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/depth-look-video-specs-canon-5d-mark-iv/



BRAVO CANON FOR THIS AMAZING 3 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT CAMERA ;D ;D ;D

Yawn. The new Canon camera sucks for video. The new Canon camera sucks for stills. Nikon is better. Samsung is better. Sony was better 12 years ago. The new Canon camera sucks as a paperweight. Yawn.

Meanwhile, in the real world (as opposed to the Internet), the new Canon camera will be bought by far more people than any competitors' offerings, the whiner keyboard jockeys will be vastly outnumbered by satisfied and productive photographers and videographers, and life will go on.

 

[PureClassA]

BRAVO CANON FOR THIS AMAZING 3 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT CAMERA ;D ;D ;D

Yawn. The new Canon camera sucks for video. The new Canon camera sucks for stills. Nikon is better. Samsung is better. Sony was better 12 years ago. The new Canon camera sucks as a paperweight. Yawn.

Meanwhile, in the real world (as opposed to the Internet), the new Canon camera will be bought by far more people than any competitors' offerings, the whiner keyboard jockeys will be vastly outnumbered by satisfied and productive photographers and videographers, and life will go on.

I would agree that based on the rumored specs thus far, the video capabilities seem rather disappointing. But then, perhaps Canon made an active decision not to pursue a videography friendly feature set. So be it. I wish it wasn't the case, but this is first and foremost a stills camera for professional use and what looks to be a darn good one at that.

Sony apparently doesn't do very well whatsoever with the dedicated daily use professional market like sports shooters and journalists. Anyone complaining about that? No, because that is clearly NOT what they were meant to be used for. These cameras are built well for their primary intended audience and they are going to be very happy with them.

 

[Mikehit]

Finally media is waking up: (as I posted days ago....)

"Oops: Canon 5D Mark IV Spec Leak Might Mark Disappointment for Filmmakers"
http://nofilmschool.com/2016/08/canon-5d-mark-iv-specs-leak-wide

"MJPEG continues to be the codec of choice for 4K on Canon cameras… Give me a break. The file sizes are unmanageable and it always needs transcoding. This is the codec Panasonic used as their lower-quality 720p option 7 years ago on the GH1 and subsequently dumped!

So if it is really a 2x crop EF mount camera in 4K… Oh dear…with no 4K HDMI or LOG profile, not even an EVF or articulated screen, nor a mount that can accept a Speed Booster to mitigate the crop factor, is there really any point in paying $3200 for it?

I can’t see being a more compelling buy for 4K compared to a used 1D C.

It’s a shame because Canon could quite easily have put the glorious 305Mbit/s XF codec from the XC10 in the camera along with the superb set of pictures profiles and Canon LOG. As it is the 5D Mark IV just doesn’t move things on for video based on the specs that have already come out. The only reason I’d get it is for stills and Dual Pixel AF."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/photokina-2016-preview-summary-year-video-far/

"It turns out that with the Canon 1D C in 2012, the company was laying the groundwork for future 2016 cameras in terms of the codec. It’s just a shame the codec in question is a 1990’s one."

"The Samsung NX1’s 28 megapixel sensor gives us the closest idea of what the likely frame width is for 30 megapixel. In 16:9 aspect ratio it measures approximately 6500 pixels horizontally (6.5K in video terms) and 3600 pixels vertically. The Samsung sensor reads the whole 6.5K frame out to the image processor, which then down-samples to 4K in-camera. It’s extremely unlikely the full frame Canon sensor will be able to do the same thing as there’s simply no precedent for it in the range. Canon’s flagship 1D X Mark II can’t even read out a 20MP full frame image for video."

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/08/depth-look-video-specs-canon-5d-mark-iv/



BRAVO CANON FOR THIS AMAZING 3 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT CAMERA ;D ;D ;D

13 posts and all of them about how bad the (as yet untried) new Canon camera is at video.
Do you need a stills camera at all?

 

[Loswr]

BRAVO CANON FOR THIS AMAZING 3 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT CAMERA ;D ;D ;D

13 posts and all of them about how bad the (as yet untried) new Canon camera is at video.
Do you need a stills camera at all?

Yeah, it's almost as if the guy has Truly, Really, Obviously Lost Love for Canon. Or something. (oops, thanks ahsanford!)

Seems like Canon did – or didn't – do something he wanted, and he felt slighted. Well, as they say, hell hath no fury like a...