More Talk of an October Announcement of a DSLR [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>There has been a lot of chatter about the possibility of Canon announcing a high megapixel DSLR some time in October. I have a feeling most of this is rooted in the <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/a-new-eos-pro-body-with-46mp-next-month-cr1/" target="_blank">FM post from a little ago</a>. We continue to receive emails stating the camera is coming and the camera isn’t coming. So for now, I have nothing that shows an imminent announcement.</p>
<p>If something does come in October, I have a feeling it will be a development announcement or a camera that won’t ship for a long while. There seems to be a growing concern that people are tired of waiting for Canon to release a high resolution camera. It’s also suggested there’s a growing number of Canon shooters that are buying Nikon and Sony cameras to meet their needs.</p>
<p>Our specifications for the EOS 7D Mark II came about three weeks prior to the launch, so if there is indeed a camera coming in October, there should be better information soon (Unless it’s a development announcement).</p>
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[SoullessPolack]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

 

[Jupiter]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Have you ever bought a new TV or a new Computer?
You still have a CRT monitor, not a TFT?
You still own your first canon camera?

Do you buy a worse product because of a brand name?

"Better" is the enemy of "good enough".

 

[Maiaibing]

<p>Our specifications for the EOS 7D Mark II came about three weeks prior to the launch, so if there is indeed a camera coming in October, there should be better information soon (Unless it’s a development announcement).</p>

5DIII the 7DII did not offer any "exciting" new technologies or features - so the time from announcement to release was only weeks.

Unlike the ground breaking 5D and 5DII were the announcement was months in advance. So it could be a "teaser" during the next months for something (big) early next year.

 

[Atonegro]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Have you ever bought a new TV or a new Computer?
You still have a CRT monitor, not a TFT?
You still own your first canon camera?

Do you buy a worse product because of a brand name?

"Better" is the enemy of "good enough".

+1

You clearly do not what you are talking about, it is not about good enough, it is about progress.
My first digital camera was a DCS 3c from Kodak/Canon, it cost as much as a small truck but I am not using it anymore, but it is as good as it was then.
And it is (apart from my MF-camera's) my most expensive camera....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_DCS_3

Canon is far behind in studio / landscape camera's, and so I bought a Nikon.
Canon does not realise that not everyone is a sport-shooter.

 

[quod]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...
When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough.

False assumption. I needed/wanted a camera and I didn't know the features I would want from a camera when I bought my 60D. I do now. My 60D was not good enough: I did not need or want the noise its sensor created nor the clipping in high-contrast shots. I bought a 5D3 because I was invested in glass. It is "good enough" in the sense that I wanted to take photos above 800 ISO and not be grossly disappointed in the image quality. I want better. I have only held on to Canon because I like the glass. That is the ONLY reason.

 

[The Flasher]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Sounds like you work for Canon, with that mentality..

Shot a job with a rented (borrowed) 810. Now, going forward, I expect nothing short of that kind of image quality from Canon in the he very near future.

 

[tcmatthews]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Not thinking about it I jumped to Sony mirror-less when the EOS M was announced. Bought a meta-bones adapter.

When I bought into the Canon system I did it for the lenses. After researching both Canon and Nikon, Canon was the clear winner for my main photography interests. At the time the sensors quality was basically the same. For the lens I was interested in Canon had better and cheaper options. So I bought the cheapest Rebel out at the time and started building up my lenses. The primary goal was to go full frame and enjoy taking pictures at the same time.

For macro and wildlife Canon makes allot of sense. That was what drew me to Canon. But I take pictures of everything else as well. I was happy for a while.

When the EOS M was announced I was seriously pissed off. I wanted, needed a new camera my 60D had recently taken a bath as was trashed. I was looking for a good mirrorless and a possible camera to hold me over until the 70D was released. Without a view finder it would not meet either of those needs. So I ordered another 60D. Then ordered a Nex 5N for my parents but planed on taking it for a test drive.

I was very impressed with the Nex 5N image quality so I pre-ordered a NEX 6.

Then a funny thing then happened. All of a sudden I could not stand looking at the 60D files with anything over ISO 800. The truth is even ISO 400 is quite bad compered to a NEX 6 at ISO 400. I was never quite satisfied by high ISO performance but the difference was eye opening.

So no the performance of the Camera did not degrade my expectations changed.

I am very happy with the high ISO performance of my Canon 6D. But at low ISO a Nex 6 is nearly as good.

Canon needs to do two thing, release a high MP camera and improve ISO their crop camera offings. The 7D II may improve the ISO performance. I am with holding judgement.

The truth is I am more likely to buy a Sony Alpha 7r successor then a high MP 1D series or 5D series camera because of cost and physical size. Quite frankly I would have bought a 7r already if it had a first curtain electronic shutter.

I am not satisfied by the rate of Canon's sensor improvement. The way I see it the 70D II was a year late. The 7D II is two years late. A high MP camera is 3 years late.

Every year my expectations for what a camera should do increase. And every year Canon falls further and further behind.

But unless Nikon changes its ergonomics and there lenses get cheaper I will continue using my Canon cameras for wildlife and macro. But for my general photography needs I may buy into the full frame E mount and a Alpha 7.

 

[dstppy]

oh HECK no.

This is supposed to be year of the lens.

If they release a second body, well, I'm moving to Nikon.

------

Besides, what will DxO say? You know it's gonna stink! Booo canon :

 

[takesome1]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Did you type this on your IBM XT 286 or have you upgraded yet?

 

[KBStudio]

Been shooting for 35 years professionally. Made the jump to digital early, Leaf DCB-1 Have gradually worked our way through many MF backs to shooting almost entirely with 5D Mark IIIs. Sold all our MF cameras and backs. Wasn't until Sony introduced their line of high end high resolution chips did I consider the cost of moving back to Nikon, in terms of glass, after our early attempt to use their DX1, or whatever they called that junk. Then along comes a Metabones. A weak solution but a solution none the less for using my Canon glass on a high end chip. So I bought the Sony A7r and except for the Metabones weak link, have been very happy with the results. I gave up on Canon coming out with a high end or at least closer to any of the Sony chips. Thought the 7D MII would at least be a bigger jump in IQ, nope. So, I am now sure my decision was correct. Canon has not really felt it necessary to improve IQ dramatically, just baby steps. But if the future is all work being viewed on a mobile device, maybe they are right. Functionality is more important than IQ.

 

[jaayres20]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great. What if Canon comes out with this high MP camera and much improved DR, is everyone going to come rushing back to Canon? All of this because of DR and more MPs so you can print billboards or corop down half of you picture. The D810 has been out for how long now?

 

[blackbox]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great. What if Canon comes out with this high MP camera and much improved DR, is everyone going to come rushing back to Canon? All of this because of DR and more MPs so you can print billboards or corop down half of you picture. The D810 has been out for how long now?

Let's just say that you were entering the wedding photography scene today. Which system would you buy, Canon or Nikon?

It sounds like you're admitting that there is a slight difference?? The problem is that this noticeable IQ gap just continues to widen and Canon is either unable or unwilling to try and catch up. Wedding photography is just one application to photography. I'm a photojournalist and DR and ISO are crucial to my work.

People like myself are tired of waiting for that "what if Canon comes out with a high MP camera and much improved DR" question to materialize. A 1.6 crop factor 7D MII is Canon's big announcement of the year?? Really? It seems that Canon have forgotten their professional market. If I could get a decent price for my Canon gear, I would sell it and make the jump to Nikon today.

 

[Etienne]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great. What if Canon comes out with this high MP camera and much improved DR, is everyone going to come rushing back to Canon? All of this because of DR and more MPs so you can print billboards or corop down half of you picture. The D810 has been out for how long now?

It sounds like you're admitting that there is a slight difference?? The problem is that this noticeable IQ gap just continues to widen and Canon is either unable or unwilling to try and catch up. Wedding photography is just one application to photography. I'm a photojournalist and DR and ISO are crucial to my work.

People like myself are tired of waiting for that "what if Canon comes out with a high MP camera and much improved DR" question to materialize. A 1.6 crop factor 7D MII is Canon's big announcement of the year?? Really? It seems that Canon have forgotten their professional market. If I could get a decent price for my Canon gear, I would sell it and make the jump to Nikon today.

That's the first time I've heard of a photojournalist concerned about DR. They are usually concerned with ruggedness, high speed, fast accurate AF, high ISO performance (even when DR is reduced to about 8 stops), awesome zoom lenses. Canon DSLR's have taken most of the award-winning photojournalism shots for quite some time, and in fact a great many of the award-winning shots were taken with the 5D3 16-35 f/2.8 mkII combo. Even with the availability of the D800. The DR advantage of the D800 is only in the Low ISO region. The Canon systems are still the most popular among photojournalists, who often grab video as well as photos.

 

[Steve]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great.

You can't judge the tool simply by the finished product. You can't see AF performance in a finished picture but it sure makes the photography easier, yes? More keepers, right? Similarly, having more DR and shadow latitude means more keepers and less post work. It makes the work easier. Its a better tool.

 

[DHanson]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

But unless Nikon changes its ergonomics and there lenses get cheaper I will continue using my Canon cameras for wildlife and macro. But for my general photography needs I may buy into the full frame E mount and a Alpha 7.

I own an A7r and I think it's a miserable camera. The ergonomics and control layout are miserable, the shutter is about the loudest thing I have ever heard (I'd say louder than my 1Dx) and Sony's user interface just plain sucks..... Plus there are currently only a few lenses available for it. I'd rent or borrow one and use it before jumping ship!

 

[9VIII]

You still have a CRT monitor, not a TFT?

Ohhh, wrong analogy to use there.

Yes, yes I do.

CRT has the least lag, best contrast and best viewing angles of any display technology available.

All your LCD panels were bought exclusively to give you more desk space, that is the only benefit. They also save power but I doubt anyone really cares about that.

 

[Diko]

I am not satisfied by the rate of Canon's sensor improvement. The way I see it the 70D II was a year late. The 7D II is two years late. A high MP camera is 3 years late.

Every year my expectations for what a camera should do increase. And every year Canon falls further and further behind.

Couldn't have said it better. Me already considers a Sony 7s as well :-((((

The baby steps someone already mentioned here in comparison to others are really easily ignored. I guess the next 1Dx will give:
* - 120 all cross points AF
* - 3 double crossed in the center
* - A third generation of DUAL AF
* - finally 400k ISO
* - probably 4K @ 30 FPS just because it's their flagship DSLR
* - probably 28 MP or 24... who knows... :-(
* - Dual 6+ DIGICs + could be with another 5+ regular for focusing...

Make some shortened/crippled version of the above. and just swap the MPs for some 40 (and above) MPs. Put all that in another FASHION/STUDIO oriented body. And there you go... Again flagship divided in two bodies... :-(

Now having in mind that NIKON is ALSO falling down with no other but the same baby steps recently. I don't expect anything big.

What both can do is to come out with some MF body in 1 or 2 years.

Actually what I really believe is that the new CANON rumored mount is either:

1/ improved EF for video AF servo
2/ MF mount!!!

I am pretty sure since in the last year all the time there are rumors about a big MP, that it should come before September 2015. However is this good enough among such strong competition?

Now since in high PRO we have even most probably SONY any time soon (they are the only one missing from the whole MF DSLR story, aside from NIKON and CANON). Having in mind that they are the FIRST VENDOR of MF CMOS - they sold it quite well to almost everyone pushing aside CANON and NIKON from the leadership.

And I know that John (Jrista) will explain how they are the current leaders we have to face the fact that it is only due to the totaly amatuer segment of the market.

And as long as it is profitable their status quo would be eminent. However here comes the MILC age.... what then?

 

[transpo1]

--> Video perspective --> Re: More Talk of an October Announcement of DSLR [CR1]

Yes, I know this entry is talking about a camera for stills, but chiming in from a video perspective here --

I love my Canon 5DIII for video but am (with no malice or bias) about to buy a Sony A7S body, as it's 4K capable with 14 stops of dynamic range and high ISO for filmmaking purposes, and using it with Canon glass.

I know we're discussing a high megapixel body for stills, but if the powers that be at Canon are listening, it's worth noting, that, from a video perspective, Canon is about to begin losing people.

I'll still keep my 5DIII body with soft spot in my heart, but Canon needs to start listening, to both the photography and video DSLR shooters, lest they lose some.

Yes, it's hard to hear, we love you Canon, but you need to shake things up and be bold.

 

[jaayres20]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great. What if Canon comes out with this high MP camera and much improved DR, is everyone going to come rushing back to Canon? All of this because of DR and more MPs so you can print billboards or corop down half of you picture. The D810 has been out for how long now?

Let's just say that you were entering the wedding photography scene today. Which system would you buy, Canon or Nikon?

It sounds like you're admitting that there is a slight difference?? The problem is that this noticeable IQ gap just continues to widen and Canon is either unable or unwilling to try and catch up. Wedding photography is just one application to photography. I'm a photojournalist and DR and ISO are crucial to my work.

People like myself are tired of waiting for that "what if Canon comes out with a high MP camera and much improved DR" question to materialize. A 1.6 crop factor 7D MII is Canon's big announcement of the year?? Really? It seems that Canon have forgotten their professional market. If I could get a decent price for my Canon gear, I would sell it and make the jump to Nikon today.

Well I have over 25 grand in gear so that is hard to ever ponder. If I had to start over I would choose Canon. I have had several Nikon second shooters so I have seen hundreds of their raw files. The only thing I can give Nikon is low ISO DR. It is much easier to recover the blown out highlights in a wedding dress for an over exposed image. But of the 1000s of pictures I take a year I can only come up with a few times I would need that extra DR. At ISO 1600 or above (where most of the wedding is shot) there is no DR advantage. High ISO is a tie, Canon has much better colors (I much prefer the skin tones from Canon), and Canon has better AF.

Canon also has great perfesional services and there are more lens options, better lenses and better availability. You say wedding photography is only one aspect of photography but it covers just about everything. Macro, arcitexture & Landscape, fashion and portraits, studio, action, and especially photojournalim in very tricky low light. Weddings really push a cameras capabilities.

So why would I change to Nikon for a little low ISO DR that I rarlely need? And for photojurnalist like yourself you are at high ISOs which doesn't have any DR advantage. Also why do you need more MPs for photojurnalism?