More Talk of an October Announcement of a DSLR [CR1]

[Steve]

CRT has the least lag, best contrast and best viewing angles of any display technology available.

All your LCD panels were bought exclusively to give you more desk space, that is the only benefit. They also save power but I doubt anyone really cares about that.

No. Really, just...no. None of that has been true for a long while. 70 kilos of flickering eye cancer is not an advantage.

 

[raptor3x]

Then a funny thing then happened. All of a sudden I could not stand looking at the 60D files with anything over ISO 800. The truth is even ISO 400 is quite bad compered to a NEX 6 at ISO 400. I was never quite satisfied by high ISO performance but the difference was eye opening.

Huh? Even at ISO 6400 there's almost no difference between the two. If anything, the 60D is a bit better once it's downsampled to the same resolution.

 

[TeT]

So?

Really; thats what you got? So; followed up with mindless chatter...

 

[TeT]

Then a funny thing then happened. All of a sudden I could not stand looking at the 60D files with anything over ISO 800. The truth is even ISO 400 is quite bad compered to a NEX 6 at ISO 400. I was never quite satisfied by high ISO performance but the difference was eye opening.

Huh? Even at ISO 6400 there's almost no difference between the two. If anything, the 60D is a bit better once it's downsampled to the same resolution.

There is a bit of difference between the 2 pics.

that said, the NEX 6 was released 2 years ago (?) and the 60D when? Lots has happened with noise since then...

 

[Bennymiata]

I can't believe how much you guys whinge and whine on about your Canon cameras.

My 5D3 is a fantastic camera and even after using various Nikons over the years, I would not buy one.
Not one of my customers has EVER complained about a lack of DR or too much noise.
Like some others here, I do a lot of different types of professional photography including shots of large equipment deep in the bowels of building sites, weddings, products, events, real estate etc., and in my 50 years of photography, I've never had such a capable camera that takes such gorgeous images.
Sure, I'd like more DR and less high ISO noise but the fantastic all around capabilities of the 5D3 more than make up for some small particular deficiencies compared to a Nikon D810.

 

[Perio]

For me, 1D series has the best, most convenient grip in the world. I truly enjoy holding this camera, and even with 200 2.0 it feels light. I don't care about Nikon/Sony etc with their gigapixel cameras. I don't look at my images with the loupe.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I no longer believe the guy who started this rumor has any inside info at all for a certain reason, but in addition to that reason, someone else just noticed that he has predicted a new camera a few weeks before each show and before each date that has been used in the past. As someone said, his high MP cam is bound to eventually appear at show show or typical announcement date. If people forget all the false predictions and just remember the big deal about when he was correct, then he is psychic in the exact way that every other psychic does the trick .

 

[TeT]

There was the testing being done late summer on a 1D body with prototype workings inside... That was confirmed... (I believe)

 

[ScottyP]

Everyone: look at the original post on FM. There's nothing much there. Just some guy makes a statement in a thread saying there's going to be a new big MP body. Then about 20 people on FM started going back and forth on it, and then people here on CR are doing the same thing.

Go back to the beginning post on FM. Read it. There is nothing much there.

 

[KitsVancouver]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

What makes me laugh is the fact that you are participating in a forum called, "Canon Rumors Forum". You don't care about new cameras, but you take the time to post and read? That seems so contradictory to me.

Technology is all about progress and relative performance. If your logic made any sense at all, we would all be using film cameras or maybe even just painting everything we see with inks from berries.

 

[jrista]

There was the testing being done late summer on a 1D body with prototype workings inside... That was confirmed... (I believe)

I wouldn't doubt that there is testing being done on prototypes. That can take a while to really get a camera fully tested (especially the way Canon does it.) I think there were rumors about the 5D III and 1D X being out in the field about a year before their announcements.

 

[blackbox]

This is so funny to read. I have a 5D3 and a 1DX and there isn't a Nikon wedding photographer out there that has better IQ in their images. This all over a little DR in low ISOs. I have printed off prints from my 1DX that are 50 inches and they look great. What if Canon comes out with this high MP camera and much improved DR, is everyone going to come rushing back to Canon? All of this because of DR and more MPs so you can print billboards or corop down half of you picture. The D810 has been out for how long now?

It sounds like you're admitting that there is a slight difference?? The problem is that this noticeable IQ gap just continues to widen and Canon is either unable or unwilling to try and catch up. Wedding photography is just one application to photography. I'm a photojournalist and DR and ISO are crucial to my work.

People like myself are tired of waiting for that "what if Canon comes out with a high MP camera and much improved DR" question to materialize. A 1.6 crop factor 7D MII is Canon's big announcement of the year?? Really? It seems that Canon have forgotten their professional market. If I could get a decent price for my Canon gear, I would sell it and make the jump to Nikon today.

That's the first time I've heard of a photojournalist concerned about DR. They are usually concerned with ruggedness, high speed, fast accurate AF, high ISO performance (even when DR is reduced to about 8 stops), awesome zoom lenses. Canon DSLR's have taken most of the award-winning photojournalism shots for quite some time, and in fact a great many of the award-winning shots were taken with the 5D3 16-35 f/2.8 mkII combo. Even with the availability of the D800. The DR advantage of the D800 is only in the Low ISO region. The Canon systems are still the most popular among photojournalists, who often grab video as well as photos.

Wow, it's amazing how much people can learn from listening to others. Good to hear you're listening though. Mark II? what a surprise. That sounds like the same time Canon started to lag behind. And many pjs I know are in my position and don't feel like switching glass.

Again, which would you buy today, Canon or Nikon? What fool wouldn't want better IQ? (I did mention ISO above) Of what you mentioned above, in which area is Nikon lacking?

And as a pj and knowing probably more of them than you, of course DR matters.

Oh, and just in case you didn't know, Nikon does have a D800E now

 

[blackbox]

I am not satisfied by the rate of Canon's sensor improvement. The way I see it the 70D II was a year late. The 7D II is two years late. A high MP camera is 3 years late.

Every year my expectations for what a camera should do increase. And every year Canon falls further and further behind.


+1

 

[whothafunk]

and not think that it has something to do, at least partly, with differences in camera technology (particularly at the high end.) ..... It's just difficult to think the market share shift is entirely unrelated to the differences in sensor technology.

The reason why Nikon's sales went up compared to Canon (in the High end part) is because they release their s.h.i.t. every 6 months (with incremental improvements - D600/D610, D800e/D810, D4/D4s), and people jump for the new stuff.

If Canon released a new 1D and a new 5D body in, let's say 8 months time difference, Nikon would probably lose sales on all ends except for D810.

 

[donsullivan]

As a 12 year Canon DSLR shooter and someone whose shooting style has changed over the last few years, I'm kind of tired of waiting for Canon. When I bought my 5D3 in the launch month, it was fantastic and I was very happy with it. It was a nice evolutionary step up from my 5D2. It also had a great focusing system that worked for the airshow stuff I like to do in the spring and fall. For some of the subjects I shoot today it's still a great choice.

However over the last almost 3 years, the subjects I shoot most often have changed and my shooting style has evolved. I'm doing a lot more natural landscape and architectural exterior stuff now and Canon has simply not kept up with those new requirements. As I look at my evolving needs for high dynamic range and detail, Canon does not make a camera body that fills those needs; they have ceded that market to competitors.

Last spring I was ready to dump all my Canon gear and switch over to a Nikon D610 & D800e and then I saw the option with the Sony a7R. It gave me the same sensor performance the Nikon D800e would offer but also allowed me to keep using my Canon glass investment which I'm extremely happy with. It's certainly rigged up a little with the Metabones adapter but it created a 'bridge' for me for one more year in hopes that Canon would finally start paying attention to that segment of the market and deliver something interesting. On my last 3 dedicated photography trips including one last weekend to Montana, the Canon never got a single click on the shutter- every shot was taken with the Sony with Canon glass on it.

However, I'm not happy with this Franken-Camera model and won't stay with it much longer. I love the image quality I get out of the Sony when it's dropped on a tripod, but it's just not a practical choice for much handheld. It's also way too slow at absolutely everything it does so it's going to have to go. If the subject is moving, it's terrible.

If by spring of next year, Canon has not delivered a viable competitive solution I'll be jumping platforms and have one hell of an epic eBay auction. They have just ceded that part of the market to competitors and have given no indications that they care about that space.

The key word above is 'delivered' not just talked about something they are thinking about. I won't be prepared to play a stalling game to drag it out even further. If they have not shipped something competitive with a D810 or similar on both features and price I'll likely jumping ship.

 

[SiliconVoid]

This pathetic whining is really getting boring..
Years ago everyone was happy with 21.x mp because it serves 99% of all photography, and for a disturbing percentage it was more mp than Nikon offered. Then Nikon came out with the D3X and that same percentage said 'meh' 3mp isn't any big deal, my camera still does everything I need it to do.. and is about 5x above their capabilities anyway.. The sun rose and set, the moon shined bright, and everything was peaches&cream..
Then years later Nikon releases 36mp and the four horsemen can be seen in the sky!! All the sudden the camera you have been producing incredible images with is all the sudden a piece of crap that no one can even rationalize why they bought it to begin with...
The 'need' for more mp is more about your ego than your print.

Their are those that will now try to redirect their peni.. er, mp envy by claiming DR and IQ and blah and blah. The irony is that the differences in the components contributing to IQ are not actually higher in the Nikon bodies, and even in some perfect scenario where one aspect is higher (like that whopping ~1 stop of DR in the shadows you can't even see) it only exists in one or two sensitivity settings, and no other component of IQ is higher. DR doesn't make the image nor does it create IQ by itself. For example take any D8xx image you think is the absolute representation of IQ and in your editing software take it down to 16bit color, now how great is it...?

So the little pixel packers are left to pointing out the superior IQ as scored by DxO, however that is all they want to see, the SCORE and RANKING, without actually looking at what the supposedly superior sensor is really doing. Give you another example, open your LR or similar software and organize all the thousands of images you have by ISO.. I will wager that the highest percentage of them are above 400 ISO. Why is that relevant? Because by ISO ~500 the D8xx does worse than just about every upper end body out. In all areas of IQ (DR, SNR, Tone, Color).. and even at the two ISO settings where the D8xx shows higher DR it is a) less than what can be perceived (as stated by DxO - +-1 not noticeable) and b) at those settings it performs worse in the other components of IQ.. that is a wash folks, the only thing it then offers is more mp to bolster your ego.

The solution is stop buying every new model that comes out because you were duped by marketing and fanboy sites that you have to have the latest model on the market. That will cause the manufacturers to stop releasing these bullshit updates and put out a body that you don't need to upgrade. Then you will have more to spend on lenses, which will have more impact on how your images look than anything else you could possibly do.. short of a photography course, and heck if your aren't wasting your money on versions xx of what you already have you could get both..

 

[Diko]

I am not satisfied by the rate of Canon's sensor improvement. The way I see it the 70D II was a year late. The 7D II is two years late. A high MP camera is 3 years late.

Every year my expectations for what a camera should do increase. And every year Canon falls further and further behind.

Couldn't have said it better. Me already considers a Sony 7s as well :-((((

The baby steps someone already mentioned here in comparison to others are really easily ignored. I guess the next 1Dx will give:
* - 120 all cross points AF
* - 3 double crossed in the center
* - A third generation of DUAL AF
* - finally 400k ISO
* - probably 4K @ 30 FPS just because it's their flagship DSLR
* - probably 28 MP or 24... who knows... :-(
* - Dual 6+ DIGICs + could be with another 5+ regular for focusing...

Make some shortened/crippled version of the above. and just swap the MPs for some 40 (and above) MPs. Put all that in another FASHION/STUDIO oriented body. And there you go... Again flagship divided in two bodies... :-(

Now having in mind that NIKON is ALSO falling down with no other but the same baby steps recently. I don't expect anything big.

What both can do is to come out with some MF body in 1 or 2 years.

Actually what I really believe is that the new CANON rumored mount is either:

1/ improved EF for video AF servo
2/ MF mount!!!

I am pretty sure since in the last year all the time there are rumors about a big MP, that it should come before September 2015. However is this good enough among such strong competition?

Now since in high PRO we have even most probably SONY any time soon (they are the only one missing from the whole MF DSLR story, aside from NIKON and CANON). Having in mind that they are the FIRST VENDOR of MF CMOS - they sold it quite well to almost everyone pushing aside CANON and NIKON from the leadership.

And I know that John (Jrista) will explain how they are the current leaders we have to face the fact that it is only due to the totaly amatuer segment of the market.

And as long as it is profitable their status quo would be eminent. However here comes the MILC age.... what then?

Here it is: THE CAT IS OUT!

According to latest rumors Canon is expected to announce a High Resolution DSLR in October 2015, so there are two possibility
#1. Canon may also do a development announcement of new product in October or
#2. If a new product is announced then it won’t ship for a long while, however Canon fans are now tired of waiting for Canon Megapixel Monster and as per unconfirmed reports a huge number of Canon crowed already moved to purchase Sony A7R and Nikon D8XX series….Stay with us more coming

This pathetic whining is really getting boring..

Yep and your comments aren't any fun either ;-)
I am awaiting a NEW body that deserves my money aimed for an upgrade

 

[alpraphoto]

I'd like to add my desperate voice to those calling for a high MP camera. As a professional working in design and advertising, and also operating as an artist making large format prints...it DOES matter! I invested heavily in canon gear and feel utterly let down by their failure to produce an update for my 1DS Mk3 and 5D2. Like others here I would swap manufacturer if I could afford to. And if this current rumour proves to be false, I will probably have to do so anyway. It's getting too embarrassing that I have clients with smartphones that have more MP than my 'professional' cameras. And I find it ridiculous when people say MPs don't matter. When I can print at 360 rather than 240 (or 240 rather than 180 for that matter) it makes an enormous difference; if I'm shooting a close-up and struggling for depth of field, so have to shoot looser and crop afterwards, the pixels matter! When I started in photography as an assistant we shot 10x8 film rather than 5x4 because the tones were smoother, the reduced enlargement meant better colour etc etc; and it matters just as much now as it did back then. I'd buy phase one if I could afford to, but my business turnover is limited by all the millions of other photographers who have flooded the market because anyone can now claim to be a professional with an online folio of well-edited snaps and a few clients who don't realise the difference between web-suitable resolution and print-suitable. Ok, so I'm a dinosaur and maybe Canon doesn't care what I think, I'm not the future after all. But I do win awards, put on exhibitions, teach occasional workshops, speak at events and have an international profile. When I switch to Nikon, I'm going to be letting alot of people know.

 

[Maiaibing]

The 'need' for more mp is more about your ego than your print.

People are not whining nor are they crazy. Your lack of understanding that others may have photographic needs other than your own is the only egoistical claim here.

1) Canon makes a very wide range of DSLR - is that because Canon thinks everyone has the same needs?
2) Every day some people choose to buy into other systems than Canon's - is that because they do not understand their own needs?
3) So a Canon owner one day sees a camera body that serves her/his needs better than what Canon currently offers - that person should not call for Canon to match that specific feature so the customer can fulfill her/his photographic ambitions better?

People match their needs with what they can get. Day by day. The day Canon launched the 5D the Nikon crowd demanded a FF camera. The day Canon launched the 5DII the Nikon crowd demanded a film-capable Nikon DSLR.

As someone who often has to crop a lot my wish for more mp is extremely relevant to the kind of results I can produce for my customers. I was beginning to regret that I did not get a D800 when it launched. However, now I can at least hope that Canon in the "near future" will deliver the MP the competition delivers to new customers every single day.

Now why this offends you is beyond me. I did notice that you are no longer shooting a 3 MP camera - did you ever ask your self why?

Move on. Enjoy what you have. I'm getting a high MP camera body in the near future - one way or the other.

 

[KBStudio]

As a 12 year Canon DSLR shooter and someone whose shooting style has changed over the last few years, I'm kind of tired of waiting for Canon. When I bought my 5D3 in the launch month, it was fantastic and I was very happy with it. It was a nice evolutionary step up from my 5D2. It also had a great focusing system that worked for the airshow stuff I like to do in the spring and fall. For some of the subjects I shoot today it's still a great choice.

However over the last almost 3 years, the subjects I shoot most often have changed and my shooting style has evolved. I'm doing a lot more natural landscape and architectural exterior stuff now and Canon has simply not kept up with those new requirements. As I look at my evolving needs for high dynamic range and detail, Canon does not make a camera body that fills those needs; they have ceded that market to competitors.

Last spring I was ready to dump all my Canon gear and switch over to a Nikon D610 & D800e and then I saw the option with the Sony a7R. It gave me the same sensor performance the Nikon D800e would offer but also allowed me to keep using my Canon glass investment which I'm extremely happy with. It's certainly rigged up a little with the Metabones adapter but it created a 'bridge' for me for one more year in hopes that Canon would finally start paying attention to that segment of the market and deliver something interesting. On my last 3 dedicated photography trips including one last weekend to Montana, the Canon never got a single click on the shutter- every shot was taken with the Sony with Canon glass on it.

However, I'm not happy with this Franken-Camera model and won't stay with it much longer. I love the image quality I get out of the Sony when it's dropped on a tripod, but it's just not a practical choice for much handheld. It's also way too slow at absolutely everything it does so it's going to have to go. If the subject is moving, it's terrible.

If by spring of next year, Canon has not delivered a viable competitive solution I'll be jumping platforms and have one hell of an epic eBay auction. They have just ceded that part of the market to competitors and have given no indications that they care about that space.

The key word above is 'delivered' not just talked about something they are thinking about. I won't be prepared to play a stalling game to drag it out even further. If they have not shipped something competitive with a D810 or similar on both features and price I'll likely jumping ship.

A mirror of my experience and a summation of my future intent!

Canon are you listening?