More Talk of an October Announcement of a DSLR [CR1]

[skoobey]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

Absolutely. But remember, most of these users are not professionals. Just like most Ferrari drivers aren't professional race drivers. So, some guys buy their F50 and love it to this day, maybe they buy a new model, maybe they don't, but only when they feel the need for it, emotion for it, whatever, you it fits them for some reason. Enthusiasts, on the other hand, love everything new. This is why you can see Vogue's Anna Wintour wearing 5, or more, seasons old shoes and looking and feeling fabulous, while a fashionista would be embarrassed to the same.

All about perspective. Nothing wrong with either, and as long as it makes you feel good, why not do it.

 

[Maiaibing]

You got something wrong here. Nikon's D90 (27-08-2008) was the first DSLR that did video, Canon's 5DII (17-09-2008) was the second.

I am sure 99% of readers here at CR understood exactly what I wanted to say without going into details. But just for you then:

When Canon brought out the 5DII as the first truly capable video DSLR that changed digital film making with the ability to record 1080p video and to shoot at low light the Nikon crowd went wild.

&

When Canon brought out the 5D and offered the first truly affordable FF DSLR the Nikon crowd went wild.

There...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This pathetic whining is really getting boring..
Years ago everyone was happy with 21.x mp because it serves 99% of all photography, and for a disturbing percentage it was more mp than Nikon offered.

One thing you are forgetting about is reach. More MP makes a FF cam better for shooting stuff like wildlife when you can't get close enough (which is often even with big lenses).

Their are those that will now try to redirect their peni.. er, mp envy by claiming DR and IQ and blah and blah.

Or maybe they just saw stuff in their photos and were like wow less banding and more flat out DR would have been helpful here.

(like that whopping ~1 stop of DR in the shadows you can't even see)

Make that 2 or 3 stops which can be seen. (and yet when Canon does better at high ISO it's more like by 1/3 of a stop, but then that is a HUGE deal)

it only exists in one or two sensitivity settings, and no other component of IQ is higher.

So?

(technically the difference is pretty noticeable through ISO400 and a bit into ISO800, although the super big difference is at ISO100 and 200, with 400 being decent but quite as huge)

DR doesn't make the image

who said it did?

For example take any D8xx image you think is the absolute representation of IQ and in your editing software take it down to 16bit color, now how great is it...?

???

So the little pixel packers are left to pointing out the superior IQ as scored by DxO, however that is all they want to see, the SCORE and RANKING, without actually looking at what the supposedly superior sensor is really doing.

completely false and people started talking about it before DxO and especially before DxO became well known

Give you another example, open your LR or similar software and organize all the thousands of images you have by ISO.. I will wager that the highest percentage of them are above 400 ISO. Why is that relevant? Because by ISO ~500 the D8xx does worse than just about every upper end body out. In all areas of IQ (DR, SNR, Tone, Color)..

It's not remotely true that the D800 is just about the worst of the high end bodies at ISO500 and above! Even at ISO6400 it's only a little behind the 5D3. Funny how that little difference is HUGE, but 3 stops at ISO100 is nothing. Maybe not everyone cares about ISO100-400 DR, fair enough, but you don't need to start making stuff up.

and b) at those settings it performs worse in the other components of IQ.. that is a wash folks,

It performs worse at all other aspects at low ISO? really? so a better color filter and more MP make the images worse?

the only thing it then offers is more mp to bolster your ego.

you are the one who seems to be caught up with ego, you can't dare admit that the camera you use is not the best at even one little thing in any even remotely potentially ever significant way

maybe some people want more MP so they can get more detail on distance wildlife? or for various other reasons that are legit

 

[clicstudio]

Canon is just like Apple

A couple of years ago, Tim Cook said that the iPhone and its 4" screen were big enough and that the "experience" was what counted, not the size. What a bunch of BS...
So people bought the available big phones and Samsung made a lot of money and took over the market.
Just 2 weeks ago, the iPhone 6 and 6+ went on sale and they already sold 10 million of them! Tim Cook was wrong and he knows it.
People want evolution and more is more, and bigger is usually better.
I, as a professional photographer, want more megapixels and a bigger screen to replace my 1DX.
Why not?
Canon probably lost a lot of faithful owners to the D800. Who wouldn't want one at the specs and price?
I am still very happy with Canon to take the plunge but they need to step it up or they will lose like Apple did.
Being late to the party is not a good business move.

 

[paulrossjones]

To all the people threatening to jump from Canon to Sony/Nikon...

When you bought your Canon camera, it was obviously because you needed/wanted its performance. It was good enough. Now suddenly it's not good enough? Did it deteriorate in quality? You bought a camera because its performance was what sought, and now its performance (which is the exact same as when you bought it) is not good enough? Y'all make me laugh. Hah.

im an advertising photographer that has shot with canon most of the digital part of my career since the 1ds. I love canons lenses and usability of canon cameras, in my opinion the best thought out.
but the canon 22mp files have got me into trouble in several occasions with not having enough head room in the files and not having enough res. So in the past I have shot with phase and a contax when i needed the res and the file depth. Medium format is a dog though, unreliable and slow to work with. I used it, but I hated it.

So a few months ago i brought a sony a7r. I can use all my canon lenses on it, and the file quality absolutely blew away my canon. Not as good as my contax phase 65+, but very close. But the handling of the camera is awful, and the evf is so un-detailed, i really can't see what I am doing. Also, the evf doesn't work at all in even slight dark conditions, it delays and looses even more detail. so on paper its great, but in practice it isn't at all a professional camera IMO.

But being so impressed with the sony a7r, I brought a d800 to test. A very nice camera, easy to use and again, shooting the same shots side by side with the canon 5dmk3, the d800 absolutely blows away the canon file in detail and dynamic range. its like night and day- shoot a subject with strong back light at the same exposure and iso the canon looses the highlights completely, where the nikon pull so much more highlight detail.
I am so sold on nikon files, i am now buying nikon lenses and just got a d810 to shoot. This is even though my favourite lenses by far is my canon ef 50mm f1.0 and 85mm f1.2 (i shoot with a very short dof).
I am so impressed with my d810, I will no longer need to shoot with my dinosaur contax and phase p65!

I am about the last photographer out of all the dozens of professional photographers I know that has now moved to Nikon. Everybody use to shoot canon, now everyone in my industry shoots nikon. Nikon has also also taken medium format photographers away from their old cameras as well. Even the canon shooters I know are quite aware than canon files are inferior- they say they are waiting for canons next camera. But we have all waited too long. I hope canons answer will be at least as good- i would love to go back to canon, but at the moment Nikon is easily the most useful photographic tool out there.

paul

 

[TeT]

There was the testing being done late summer on a 1D body with prototype workings inside... That was confirmed... (I believe)

I wouldn't doubt that there is testing being done on prototypes. That can take a while to really get a camera fully tested (especially the way Canon does it.) I think there were rumors about the 5D III and 1D X being out in the field about a year before their announcements.

That is what I think is likely in October (if anything) an announcement that something is coming with some details to try and throw a salve on the bruised Canon image.

I do hope for something and am hoping that canon is waiting on larger MP until they can get higher DR with less falloff through the higher ISO levels.

BTW: this thread got hijacked hard...

 

[alberto1232]

good topic thanks

 

[Greatland]

Obviously October is just about over so not looking like any announcements this month.....perhaps in the Spring??

 

[Helios68]

3 more days to know if I get a 6D mkII?

Please Canon enlarge your FF range with a body between 5D and 6DmkII. Mix of 6D and 70D maybe? 8)

 

[dstppy]

Re: Canon is just like Apple

A couple of years ago, Tim Cook said that the iPhone and its 4" screen were big enough and that the "experience" was what counted, not the size. What a bunch of BS...
So people bought the available big phones and Samsung made a lot of money and took over the market.
Just 2 weeks ago, the iPhone 6 and 6+ went on sale and they already sold 10 million of them! Tim Cook was wrong and he knows it.
People want evolution and more is more, and bigger is usually better.
I, as a professional photographer, want more megapixels and a bigger screen to replace my 1DX.
Why not?
Canon probably lost a lot of faithful owners to the D800. Who wouldn't want one at the specs and price?
I am still very happy with Canon to take the plunge but they need to step it up or they will lose like Apple did.
Being late to the party is not a good business move.

Well, yes and no. Canon is like Apple in a lot of ways, but I don't see this as really one of them.

IIRC it was Steve, not Tim that said 4" was enough. It wasn't the right time and it wasn't a mistake. Saying it's enough because, inevitably something larger will have a market, that's a mistake.

The iPhone 6 and 6+ are far too big (and at the same time, they are not). The form-factor of the 5 should be kept, as, for a phone, it's a good size for most people. Now, before anyone jumps on me about the 'too big', it's true, I should know, I have a "Times Square Jumbotron" right here in front of me . . . my hands are huge and it's a ridiculous size for a phone. I was just about to buy an iPad mini, and, for the price of the 128GB one, couldn't rationalize the unwieldy size. The iPhone 6+ is a great tablet, it's a serviceable phone.

Apple doesn't like to do things they don't utterly succeed at (except for making mice. For some reason, apple took a lot of pride in how terrible their pointer devices were just like Subarus are unapologetically ugly). They're not that big of a company, so they need to focus on what they succeed in. Take the "low end" phone market. The iPhone 5c numbers were good but the 5s outpaced it. They did the right thing in gauging the market and not jumping in until they knew the sales were there, and could do it in the way they always do, with a reasonable profit margin.

I honestly don't believe they lost any money on people who swapped. My ex listened to time and time again about android, but when it came right down to it, there was no switching. Her iPhone 4s was stolen, and, with all her options open, she decided to stay with the Apple "ecosystem" (all my stuff's here anyways).

Here's the tie-in to Canon. A friend of mine who shoots as well is a Nikon guy. He was complaining nonstop about how long the D800 was taking to be released, and admiring my gear and shots . . . not once did he consider swapping. There's a lot to be said for brand loyalty. Yes, you may be missing out, yes, it may be something hugely useful . . . but very few people switch. Only a few stick around here after doing so to constantly complain about it (I can think of one).

Another important difference between Canon and Apple is that on Canon forums, people lament their camera of choice, on Apple forums, they apologize for it.