New Kit Lens Coming for EOS 5D Mark IV [CR2]

[Ozarker]

Hi,
Why not as long as the price of the kit is significantly lower than a L lens kit. If the optical quality is near L lens, I don't see why not. May be there will be 2 kits available: one with L lens for still photographer and one with this kit lens for videographer.

Have a nice day.

Sure, the price would be lower with a less expensive lens, but Canon typically doesn't go nuts with options here. There will likely be a body-only and a body + kit lens. I don't see them offering eighteen flavors to people. They'll let B&H, Adorama, Amazon, etc. kit items independently for the odd combinations.

My recommendation:

6D2 + 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (or this new variable max aperture lens being discussed)

5D4 + 24-70 f/4L IS USM

- A

I like your choices.

I'm wondering about how a Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM might do as a kit choice or even a 24-70 f/2.8L II? I know they are pricier, but it might be nice for those who want to start out with a high end lens for a little discount.

But, I guess a person could just buy the body and the lens separately.

 

[Woody]

For every five people that roll their eyes at a 28-300L refresh, there's one person who gets really excited about it. Because peoples' needs vary.

I am one of those weirdos keen on Canon's equivalent of the Tamron 28-200 f/3.8-5.6 (471 g) or 28-300 f/3.5-6.3 lens (540 g).

 

[Ozarker]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses), if Canon wants to compete with the mirrorless A7 and future A9 series of Sony by using a new mount (or never release any pro mirrorless camera).

I bought the 1DX2, and my last DSLR I will ever buy is one 5D4 for nostalgic reasons. But working with the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I can clearly see that DSLRs are a dead system in the future with too many workflow handicaps.

I really hope that Canon does find a solution for pro large sensor camers with the existing EF mount, so all the lenses still can be used. Nobody needs a third Canon mount.

Canon also needs to understand that the relaxed, decade-long domination of the pro market together with Nikon is over and they need to react faster. Once Sony comes out with an A9 at Photokina that includes all missing features of DSLRs, there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

Yawn.

: : : :

 

[Woody]

Once Sony comes out with an A9 at Photokina that includes all missing features of DSLRs, there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Sony plans to terminate the A mount soon.

Also, in case you are not aware, Sony's plans to launch new cameras at Photokina have been jeopardized by the recent Kyushu earthquake.

Lastly, Sony is doing VERY poorly this year in the MILC market in home-ground Japan.

 

[unfocused]

...Canon also needs to understand that the relaxed, decade-long domination of the pro market together with Nikon is over and they need to react faster.

Your math is a bit wrong. Try 50-year-long domination. Both companies have weathered challenges far greater than those they are presented with today and they've done so year-in and year-out for at least 5 decades. If you'd like to bet against Canon and Nikon I'd be willing to take that wager.

 

[unfocused]

I'm sticking with the same prediction I've had for about a year now:

Canon needs to reduce the supply of 24-105 "L" lenses available in white box form.

The 24-105 "L" is supposed to sell for more than the 24-70 f4 lens, but it is in such abundant supply that it sells for far less on the street.

The only way to correct that is to stop selling it as part of a kit and begin to dry up the supply. So, they will offer the 24-70 f4 (the f 2.8 is too expensive to offer as a kit) as an option and probably another option, such as the one that is the subject of this rumor.

We won't see a 24-105 replacement until the current model has been "de-kitted" for a year or two. It would just create too much sticker shock for a 24-105 "L" II to list at $1,400 or so when the original is still selling for around $600.

 

[dslrdummy]

Got the 24-105 with my 5Dc and still have it. Was usable on the 5Diii but aren't game to try it on the 1DXii.

 

[ahsanford]

I'm sticking with the same prediction I've had for about a year now:

Canon needs to reduce the supply of 24-105 "L" lenses available in white box form.

The 24-105 "L" is supposed to sell for more than the 24-70 f4 lens, but it is in such abundant supply that it sells for far less on the street.

The only way to correct that is to stop selling it as part of a kit and begin to dry up the supply. So, they will offer the 24-70 f4 (the f 2.8 is too expensive to offer as a kit) as an option and probably another option, such as the one that is the subject of this rumor.

We won't see a 24-105 replacement until the current model has been "de-kitted" for a year or two. It would just create too much sticker shock for a 24-105 "L" II to list at $1,400 or so when the original is still selling for around $600.

Agree with most of what you said except for the "The 24-105 "L" is supposed to sell for more than the 24-70 f4 lens, but it is in such abundant supply that it sells for far less on the street."

The 24-105L currently only has two advantages over the 24-70 f/4L IS: it shoots from 71-105 and doubles as a billy club for personal defense. Original asking price in 2005 = $1,249. (And yes, flooding the market with it as a kit offering murdered its price point.)

The 24-70 f/4L IS is sharper, shorter length, lighter weight, and has an very useful autofocusing macro mode at 0.7x. Original asking price in 2012 = $1,499.

I realize there's (a) an age delta between the two and (b) the $1,499 for the 24-70 f/4L IS was an instant disaster that settled around $1,100 shortly after launch. But I'm hard pressed to call the 24-105 as being a clear cut higher price point product. A new far better 24-105L II would have to materialize to command that pricier ($1250-1500) space above the 24-70 f/4L.

- A

 

[Orangutan]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses),

You own one hundred EF-mount lenses? Never sold any?

if Canon wants to compete with the mirrorless A7 and future A9 series of Sony

So far, Sony has been feebly unable to compete with Canon, even with their very good sensors. What magic will change that?

my last DSLR I will ever buy is one 5D4 for nostalgic reasons.

Buying a $3,000+ DSLR for nostalgic reasons means you have a lot more money than most pro/prosumer camera buyers.

working with the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I can clearly see that DSLRs are a dead system in the future with too many workflow handicaps.

It's not dead, it's resting...pining for the fjords. But seriously, everyone knows that mirrorless will "eventually" overcome its viewfinder, AF and battery problems; the question is whether it's 2 years, 5 years, 10 years or 20 years. I've given up trying to predict.

there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

Reports of the DSLR's impending death are greatly exaggerated.

 

[Roo]

I wondered why the 5D3 did not come in a kit with the 24-70F2.8..... Now that would be a great kit lens

In Oz it does. Here we can choose 5D3 in the Premium kit (24-105L) or in the Professional kit (24-70 2.8L II)

 

[Bennymiata]

As an event and wedding photographer that uses a 70d with the 18-135 kit lens, and for HD video, it does a good job.
I've been eyeing off the new version of this lens with the power zoom, and I will get a 5d4 (or a 1dx2 if I don't like the 5d4) and seeing as the 5d4 should have 4k video, a big zoom lens with power zoom would tempt me a lot.

 

[d]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses),

You own one hundred EF-mount lenses? Never sold any?

Obviously keeps the lenses around for nostalgic reasons, too! ;D

 

[AvTvM]

cr rumour is talking about FF version of 18-135 ... meaning 28-200 + variable aperture = clearly non-L.
powerzoom means video use mainly. decent enough IQ for 4k video recording should be achievable. stills IQ on 5D IV would be a different level of performance -> L territory ...

in essence something like tamron 28-300/3.5-6.3 VC PZ IF (77mm filter, 540grams, 650 €)
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/tamron-28-300mm-f-3-5-6-3-di-vc-pzd-lens-review-26263
or nikon Nikon Objektiv AF-S VR 28-300mm 3.5-5.6G ED (77mm filter, 800 grams, 900 euro)

no idea whether these lenses are selling well and whether the nikon lens was/is offered in official nikon kits with DSLRs (D610. D750) or not.

canon ef 28-200/3.5-5.6 IS STM may really come as kit lens for 6D2, not for 5D4 (as posted by someone before).

personally I've purchased EOS 350D with original version of 18-55 kit lens ... brrr !
and 5D3 with 24-105 L, which i sold unused, to get a better deal on camera.

i would love to get "hi-end kit packages" ... like5DIV or 1DX2 plus any choice of 16-35 L III, 24-70 L II, 70-200 L II, 100-400 L II ...
1. body + 1 of these lenses = "premium kit" ... 10% price advantage on kit price
2. body + 2 lenses = "premium duopoly" @ 20% off
3. body + 3 lenses = "premium trinity" @30% off
4. body + all 4 = "premium gang of 4" at 40% off

that would be "innovative" from Canon.

and no, i would not expect a kit wurh 10 L lenses to come at 100% off. gg

 

[stefang]

What's this obsession with constant aperture? I love my 24-70 F/4, but would love it even more if it was a 24-70 F/2.8-4.0, even if quality dropped a bit at 2.8.
If you want to shoot at F/4, you can simply set the camera to do so. (Heck: it could even be a programmable option to not use a lens below it's highest maximum aperture)

 

[siegsAR]

35-120 F4... :

 

[axtstern]

First the on topic part:

Canon sells well in China these days. I mean the 5dII and the 5DIIIhave been a big success.
The amateurs scrapping together their money for a Europe or US trip tend to go to a photo dealer and say arm me please. Out they come with a 5DIII and a mounted 24-105L, the original Canon strap proudly arround their neck and a prospectus of all Canon lenses with Jacky Chan on the first page in their hand. There is a reason why Jacky Chan's picture is bigger than that of 50 lenses in the prospectus: No second lens will ever be bought by this customers if not by accident.

I have not done the complete math on this but building an L bundle that wins every second semi-pro or pro photog in the states versus building a non L bundle that wins every 500th amateur photog in china might surprise a many in rerads to the financial outcome.

Now of topic:

This thread contains an AVTVM contribution with full 'stupid stupid Canon' warpaint on but contrary to a rule I thought to have found no FLAk from Neuro... well times they are changing

 

[zim]

So it's going to be a new EF 24-105 f/4L excellent!

 

[scyrene]

[...] the existing 24-105 [...] really doesn't hold up well on neweer 5D cameras.

Not sure I agree with that. It produces fine images on the 5Ds, as it did on the 5DIII. It's never going to be stellar, but it's not a bad lens by any means. It's also pretty cheap, and any upgrade is going to be more expensive - that's a pretty important factor to many people.

The 24-105 "L" [...] is in such abundant supply that it sells for far less on the street.

Indeed its low market value is why I held on to mine. Or more precisely, its flexibility and performance are more than good enough for the ~£300-400 I might have hoped to get selling it on eBay.

 

[Ozarker]

All Canon EF mount lenses will be obsolete (and I write this owning 100+x EF mount lenses),

You own one hundred EF-mount lenses? Never sold any?

if Canon wants to compete with the mirrorless A7 and future A9 series of Sony

So far, Sony has been feebly unable to compete with Canon, even with their very good sensors. What magic will change that?

my last DSLR I will ever buy is one 5D4 for nostalgic reasons.

Buying a $3,000+ DSLR for nostalgic reasons means you have a lot more money than most pro/prosumer camera buyers.

working with the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I can clearly see that DSLRs are a dead system in the future with too many workflow handicaps.

It's not dead, it's resting...pining for the fjords. But seriously, everyone knows that mirrorless will "eventually" overcome its viewfinder, AF and battery problems; the question is whether it's 2 years, 5 years, 10 years or 20 years. I've given up trying to predict.

there are hardly any reasons to buy more Canon products.

Reports of the DSLR's impending death are greatly exaggerated.

I think he's trolling.

When a person talks about how they've just purchased a 1DX Mark II body and are going to buy a 5D Mark IV for nostalgic reasons while at the same time saying how Canon has a dead system... they've been hitting the keg pretty hard.

Owns 100+ (currently) EF mount lenses. I would dearly love to see a photo of that. I'm not sure if I would want to see it so I could commit the sin of envy, or to cry and feel apathy for a fool that is more obsessive compulsive than I am, but with a lot more cash / credit.

Besides, how can one be nostalgic over a camera that hasn't even been released yet?

Great post Orangutan. Saved me a lot of typing.

But, I guess he could be a rabid hobbyist. He's surely got me beat in the lens department. However, I have 100+ eneloop batteries and 1000+ matchbooks from dives all over the land. Take that Douglaurent! :

 

[Ozarker]

What's this obsession with constant aperture? I love my 24-70 F/4, but would love it even more if it was a 24-70 F/2.8-4.0, even if quality dropped a bit at 2.8.
If you want to shoot at F/4, you can simply set the camera to do so. (Heck: it could even be a programmable option to not use a lens below it's highest maximum aperture)

? I'm not sure what you are saying about why people are obsessed with constant aperture.

A constant aperture lens like the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II can be set from f/2.8 all the way up to f/22. Constant aperture means the lens can maintain the set aperture throughout its zoom range. The aperture does not change as one zooms.

If at 24mm I set aperture at f/2.8 and then I zoom to 70mm because the scene has changed or I wish to adjust composition, the lens maintains the f/2.8 aperture. In this way the lens acts like a prime lens except that it zooms.

I like this because the light gathering ability of the lens doesn't degrade the more I zoom. For a person who shoots in manual mode 99.999% of the time... this is wonderful. I don't have to raise the ISO or shorten the exposure time just because I zoom. When I was obsessed with shooting birds, this was a fantastic thing.

However, one can still set the aperture anywhere one wants on the scale. It's just that the zoom with a constant aperture is like having a bag full of prime lenses.

Now, my dream is for Canon to come out with zooms that have a constant aperture beginning at f/1.4. Wow! The lenses would be huge, but wow! No more need for primes at all except for weight.

The constant aperture lenses cost more, but I think they are worth every penny.

Isn't your 24-70 f/4 a constant aperture zoom lens? Yes, but you can stop it down. What you are really saying is that you want an f/2.8 so that you can stop down to f/4. That is already available, at a higher cost... that may be your point. That you would give up the constant aperture for lower cost. F/2.8 costs money. There is no way around that unless you go 3rd party.

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD Lens is available for $1,199 at B&H with the $100 rebate. It has image stabilization (VC) that the Canon doesn't have. Dustin Abbott liked it in his review. He's a trustworthy reviewer.

The Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 IF EX DG HSM Autofocus Lens is available for $749.00 when including the $150.00 instant savings. I have no idea how good it is. If any good at all it seems like a real bargain to me.

The Canon is spectacular.

Your post confuses me.

Your lens can do exactly what you are wishing for, except it cannot get wider than f/4. Get an f/2.8.