New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

[Lee Jay]

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f4 is fine most of the time for Landscape photographers as already pointed out. However not all of the time and slow lenses at dusk when most sensors in Canon line-up currently are under 12 stops of DR creates either high ISO with the noise that goes with it or no shot.
If the DR improved then f4 becomes less of a problem on a $ 3500 lens.

Canon sensors are just as good at high ISO as the competition. This "DR" thing only applies below ISO 400 or so, and only significant at ISO 100. So, unless f/2.8 buys you exactly the move from ISO 200 to ISO 100, the competition wouldn't be any better, really.

 

[LukasS]

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I wonder how big would be DOF if that lens would be 2.8 - would that even be usable?

Price is reasonable, taking into account that this will not be as popular as ie. 70-200/2.8 so the cost of r&d and production will be spread among lesser number of units

 

[IglooEater]

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I'm wondering if they'd really release a $3000 uwa and a 400$ rebel side by side.. Might they realease their ~50mp beast at the same time?

 

[Lee Jay]

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I wonder how big would be DOF if that lens would be 2.8 - would that even be usable?

Hyperfocal distance would be only 4.71 feet at 11mm and f/2.8.

 

[mackguyver]

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Wait, this is a full frame, non-fisheye lens that runs at 11mm?! That sounds pretty spectacular all by itself. Has that ever been done before?

That was exactly my question. Any law of physics expert to comment? What is the possibility of successful rectilinearity at that focal length?
That would open up a brand new perspective of lifestyle photography.

The 17 TS-e is already this wide, you just need to shift and stitch to capture it all because a full-frame sensor isn't big enough.

And those of us that do panos have been seeing wider than this basically forever.

If you think people want 11mm to "shoot wide" or "get it all in", than you aren't using ultrawides correctly. It's not about how much you can fit in the frame, it's about perspective and drama. Take a look at the Sigma 12-24 and Sigma 12-24 II sample threads to see what I'm talking about.

Also, a shifted TS-E 17 is great if you don't need weather sealing or have time for 3+ shots, and the same goes for panos, but again, that's missing the whole point of a tool like this, which is perspective.

 

[bcflood]

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I am intrigued by that new Rebel with a wheel and shoulder LCD. Depending on pricing and features, this may be a tasty alternative to a 70D

 

[LukasS]

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I wonder how big would be DOF if that lens would be 2.8 - would that even be usable?

Hyperfocal distance would be only 4.71 feet at 11mm and f/2.8.

Thanks. For some street shooting (people closeups rather than whole scenes) should be enough.

 

[StudentOfLight]

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I wonder how big would be DOF if that lens would be 2.8 - would that even be usable?

Hyperfocal distance would be only 4.71 feet at 11mm and f/2.8.

Thanks. For some street shooting (people closeups rather than whole scenes) should be enough.

I wouldn't use 11mm rectilinear lens for closeup pictures of people. Their heads would look stretched towards the corner of frame, their noses would look huge and ears tiny. For more natural looking people it is better to use a fisheye if you need to work close-up. Have you tried the Samyang 8mm fisheye on a APS-C body?

 

[The Flasher]

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When shooting architecture, Stitching the 17mm TS shifts is not always an option due to long a exposure and fading light, plus it adds to workflow. The 14mm has fallen short on width many times and to be honest is not the sharpest among the wides or even zooms (1635/4 is is brilliant! ). Looking forward to this magical unicorn especially at a rectilinear 11mm!

 

[ashmadux]

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RE: 11-24 f4

I would guess no IS because Canon wanted to go all in on sheer optics, and I know historically they have had some issues employing both (like the first 70-200 IS L) Perhaps a field of view this wide created too big a a hurdle to overcome for an IS motor without having to sacrifice a bit of edge sharpness? I'm just guessing, Dylan. That said, the 16-35 f4 (FABULOUS glass, I own it) is such a great all around wide angle for the money. But, for the high end pros who demand the utmost precision from corner to corner, methinks they are mostly shooting tripod/monopod anyway. I know I shoot my 16-35 on tripod for landscape stuff as much as possible, negating the use of IS anyway.

This is for a different level of landscape shooting where obviously you're going to spend hundreds more on an expensive filter kit to buckle to the front of this light bulb anyway.

You are quoting the internet lore that the 70-200mm f/2.8L is sharper than the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS? I'm not sure that there is any real difference other than sample variation. The 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II on the other hand is clearly superior to both its predecessors. That being said, there may be more issues with implementing IS on wide angle lenses; I'm sure someone on this forum will have a geeky answer!

You're right about the filter kit, but it isn't just the price that puts me off: the standard Lee filters are already big enough, how you go about carrying the monsters that are made for the bulbous-fronted lenses without a separate bag would be a challenge.

IS means higher prices?

IS means you make your shots, that's a heck of a lot more important. I really feel its a useless argument, Canon will still price the lens however they want. High end pros...heck, everyone uses thier hand for photos also hehe ;D ;D ;D

The 70-200 2.8 is most definitely not sharper than the II IS version....where would that info even come from...its all in the readily available charts.

 

[tron]

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Yet to get a 2.8 UWA zoom with excellent IQ and no coma

Would it kill them to make a 16-35 2.8L III zoom ?

 

[PureClassA]

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I'm wondering if they'd really release a $3000 uwa and a 400$ rebel side by side.. Might they realease their ~50mp beast at the same time?

I would expect a development announcement at the very least particularly considering the seemingly imminent unveiling of the new Sony 46MP sensor via the Alpha 9. If they don't, I think Canon's marketing dept is going to lose their minds.

 

[Tugela]

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I am intrigued by that new Rebel with a wheel and shoulder LCD. Depending on pricing and features, this may be a tasty alternative to a 70D

It probably will be a 70D with a Digic 6 processor instead of the Digic 5, just with a few minor shell changes.

 

[Tinky]

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Interesting. So this will be the first Rebel with a shoulder LCD? Cool.

I have no need for a Rebel, but it'll be interesting to see if/how Canon differentiates the Rebels from the XXD line going forward (not that shoulder LCD is everything, just a little up-market nudge).

Still hoping for a full frame body with articulating touchscreen and DPAF sometime this year...

No that was the Rebel sii from 1992. Full frame and everything!

 

[Tinky]

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if it has 4k i'll take a look

 

[rrcphoto]

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am I the only one chuckling at the comments "for 3k it had better be .. " .. when it would be the widest rectilinear lens on the planet for full frame and a zoom to boot.

Canon can really set it's own price for this. 3k is reasonable for such an esoteric and unique optic. especially when you consider the 17mm TS-E rolls in at around 2.3k on release.

 

[gsealy]

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It seems to me that it is a high price. But it is probably targeted at professional consumers that need that kind of high quality range. Therefore, they would happily pay for the performance it would deliver.

I don't think that no IS is all that big of a deal. Shooting at 1/50 or faster would eliminate the camera shake for even the 24 mm setting on a crop camera. That should not be any kind of a barrier for someone shooting outdoors or for cameras having decent ISO performance. And gee if they can afford this lens then why the heck would they be shooting on a lousy camera anyway?

As always it will be interesting to read the reviews when people get their hands on it,

 

[rrcphoto]

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if it has 4k i'll take a look

it won't.

 

[Famateur]

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Interesting. So this will be the first Rebel with a shoulder LCD? Cool.

No that was the Rebel sii from 1992. Full frame and everything!

LOL...I stand corrected.

 

[rrcphoto]

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I am intrigued by that new Rebel with a wheel and shoulder LCD. Depending on pricing and features, this may be a tasty alternative to a 70D

i suspect it's a smaller 70D with no mag alloy construction? looks intriguing for sure.

top plate LCD is certainly a diversion from rebel ergonomics.