New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

[denobulan]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

not sure why most landscape shooters NEED 2.8

if you are doing astro nightscapes then nothing beats the Samyang 14mm 2.8 manual focus for that anyways because of it's extreme lack of coma and the fact that it has no electronics - and considering that astro-nightscapes you can be dealing with dewing, and you don't want AF, just less things you have to worry about.

Agreed. The Samyang is fantastic for nightscapes + if one needs some extra FLs the 24mm 1.4 is quite decent as well.

 

[lux]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

as a hobbyist who is mostly taking pictures of family and kids sports and wildlife I can't justify that type of cost for a lens that I'm not going to be using constantly. I recognize that that type of width is great but what can it do that my samyang 14 2.8 (which cost me more than 10x less and is a set it and forget it kind of lens) can't do. For that matter what can it do that stitching together two shots with my 24-70 can't do? I've thought about getting a 16-35 F4 at some point...when they are used and less expensive but 3K...that's used big white territory

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I created these many years ago just to show what wide rectilinear images look like.
19.2mm:

16mm:

12mm:

10mm:

8mm:

 

[vscd]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

The Samyang is a hell of a lense, I think it 's even sharper than the 14mm 2.8L, but it has a strange moustache distortion. If you can rely on lensprofiles it's gone in seconds, but on film (I still shoot on film, too) it's difficult for architecture or straight lines in general.

A rectangular 11mm Lens is a *record* which is nothing compared to a 14mm like the Nikon, which also has no VR.
Why do you need an IS on a Wideangle, anyway? With a lense of this focal length you need not more than maybe a native 1/20 to freeze a picture... what do you want to capture on 11mm, except of architecture, nightsky or landscapes? Both would be better on tripod.

I just can think of some fotos on large crowds or in press-conferences, but both have moving objects where no IS can help you because the target won't stand still. Just a "want have"? I think IS is useless on this focal lenght, or at least not worth the grand more. To get a 11-24 @f2.8 would be way more interesting, but this would be a hell of a lense.

 

[privatebydesign]

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I don't doubt though that quite a few hobbyists (no disrespect intended) who will buy this lens and will rave about the fantastic IQ at 11mm will ultimately struggle with the massive FOV and the lens will come up for sale now and then at bargain prices a year after release.

That would be nice, but I haven't seen many of the TS-E lenses going cheap!

That was how I got my 17TS-E, I paid $1,725 for it on eBay, it was only a couple of months old and was within a year of release, at the time the new price was $2,500.

I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Why do you need an IS on a Wideangle, anyway? With a lense of this focal length you need not more than maybe a native 1/20 to freeze a picture... what do you want to capture on 11mm, except of architecture, nightsky or landscapes? Both would be better on tripod.

I recently took a couple of cave tours. It's very dark, and I was shooting with my 15mm fisheye on full-frame. To get the best IQ I was trying to keep ISO to 1600-3200 which was giving me 1/4th to 1/6th of a second at f/2.8. Tripods are not only not allowed, but would be totally impractical even if they were due to slippery, wet, uneven ground.

 

[tetten]

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What's funny about all the complainers is that they don't realize that there are target markets for every lens. If this lens doesn't appeal to you at all then you clearly aren't part of the market this lens is designed for. Landscape shooters have been complaining for years about this gap is Canon's line up and it looks like its finally being filled.

I am the market for this lens, I have been shooting landscapes with the 17-40mm for years because the 16-35 I&II have been found to be no better at typical landscape apertures and had no interest in the 16-35mm f/4 IS because I always shoot on a tripod and don't have any interest carrying extra weight when I do 5+ mile day hikes or back packing in the Sierra Nevada. As has been previously stated, this lens pairs very well with the super sharp 24-70 f/2.8L II for those of us that have it.

I for one, am glad this lens is neither 2.8 or has IS, its just extra weight I would have to carry and money I would have to spend to get a corner to corner sharp lens in a ultra wide zoom.

For $2899 yeah this lens is expensive and I suppose that the sticker shock for people comes from the fact that most wide angle zooms are relatively cheap. Canon charges appx $13,500 for a EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM and no one gets on the internet and complains about the price, but they introduce a unique wide angle for less than 25% of that price and everyone has to complain about price. How does that make sense?

I will be preordering, and if it doesn't perform to my expectations I will be returning, but with Canon's zoom updates the last couple years I seriously doubt I'll be doing that.

Apparently the "internet" won't be happy until someone produces a lens that is 1-1000mm f/0.1 IS, weighs less than a ounce with no CA or distortion and costs less than a $1.

 

[saveyourmoment]

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Damit, that will be an expensive Year if all rumors became real....

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

as a hobbyist who is mostly taking pictures of family and kids sports and wildlife I can't justify that type of cost for a lens that I'm not going to be using constantly. I recognize that that type of width is great but what can it do that my samyang 14 2.8 (which cost me more than 10x less and is a set it and forget it kind of lens) can't do. For that matter what can it do that stitching together two shots with my 24-70 can't do? I've thought about getting a 16-35 F4 at some point...when they are used and less expensive but 3K...that's used big white territory

I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

An 11-16mm f/2.8 would've been way smarter, in my opinion. At least then live event, concert, and astro photogs would consider it.

 

[Lee Jay]

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I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

Uh huh, how'd you pull that off?

 

[mackguyver]

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I don't doubt though that quite a few hobbyists (no disrespect intended) who will buy this lens and will rave about the fantastic IQ at 11mm will ultimately struggle with the massive FOV and the lens will come up for sale now and then at bargain prices a year after release.

That would be nice, but I haven't seen many of the TS-E lenses going cheap!

That was how I got my 17TS-E, I paid $1,725 for it on eBay, it was only a couple of months old and was within a year of release, at the time the new price was $2,500.

I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

You definitely got lucky - I paid more than that for my refurb, on sale. Also, unlike you, I haven't made my money back on mine yet. 2014 was a slow year for me, mostly because I had to turn down most of the work that came my way. 2015 is off to a much better start...

 

[J.R.]

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I don't doubt though that quite a few hobbyists (no disrespect intended) who will buy this lens and will rave about the fantastic IQ at 11mm will ultimately struggle with the massive FOV and the lens will come up for sale now and then at bargain prices a year after release.

That would be nice, but I haven't seen many of the TS-E lenses going cheap!

That was how I got my 17TS-E, I paid $1,725 for it on eBay, it was only a couple of months old and was within a year of release, at the time the new price was $2,500.

I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

I hear you brother. I got mine last week for close to the equivalent of $ 1600 from a guy who would have used is not more than a dozen times. Mint condition, tried it for a week before buying, 7 months warranty remaining, what else would you want?

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

Uh huh, how'd you pull that off?

http://imageevent.com/sipphoto/panoramahead

 

[J.R.]

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How many of Canon's recent L lenses have been nothing short of fantastic? The conservative approach (complainers call it lack of innovation) has given us near perfect glass and some of it at very competitive and affordable prices.

i.e. 16-35 f/4L, 100-400 Mk2

It seems to me that each of the L series being launched in the past two years and newer have been exceeding most shooters expectations. All you need is to be a bit patient and the price will drop a bit. Wait 6 months or so and it gets on CPW's Street Price list.

I bet this new UWA Zoom will be the same.

Some good sense here about the quality of the new L lenses over the past few years. However, expecting a steep price drop in 6 months appears to be unrealistic to me.

I don't doubt though that quite a few hobbyists (no disrespect intended) who will buy this lens and will rave about the fantastic IQ at 11mm will ultimately struggle with the massive FOV and the lens will come up for sale now and then at bargain prices a year after release.

Steep is your word

My bad! but then a $100-$200 doesn't make a difference for a lens costing $3,000 so you'd be looking for a better / lower price.

 

[kphoto99]

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I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

For taking pictures of small rooms would a APS-C camera and the Rokinon 8mm not be a cheaper solution?
Unless you have to print large the small rooms.

 

[lux]

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Ok so reading through these threads I did see one person say that this is a perfect lens for him because it will likely be relatively light and really wide and therefore perfect for using when hiking to get amazing landscape photos.

I assume that 11 is so much better than 14 that it will be better than using the samyang and that the person using the 11-24 is a much better hiker than I and not worried about tripping and breaking a 3K lens. Who else is this lens for? It does sound like people have been dissapointed with the 16-35 II. if this is just a better lens then it might replace that but I always felt that the 2.8 and 24-35 range were important for that lens for event photography.

I'd love to know what applications this lens is great for...It sounds like a professional landscape lens to me....the wide angle equivalent of the 400 2.8 for sports photographers. If that is the case and it performs as well I'm sure those folks will be thrilled and the rest of us will just gawk at their amazing photos.

However, that is a pretty niche group. The rest of us will settle for 17-40 or 16-35

 

[tetten]

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I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

Uh huh, how'd you pull that off?

http://imageevent.com/sipphoto/panoramahead

Sorry but your home brew doesn't come close to the strength or precision of the RRS set up. Good luck leveling and setting everything up multiple times for multiple angles on a scene in a time constrained event like a sunrise or sunset.

I will give you credit, YOU made it for $50, so have a cookie to celebrate, however the average household does not have the tools to make this as you did, so the average household could NOT make this for $50....And this isn't bringing up the issue of that you made that in February 2005. I seriously doubt all those components are the same price as they were 10 years ago.

Also I hope you aren't shooting outdoor panoramics with that neck strap attached like you have in that picture. Camera not on the apex of the tripod + your home brew + wind hitting the neck strap = blurry shots.

 

[rrcphoto]

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is it just me left wondering why a 14-24 f/2.8 is still not in the Canon EF lineup ?
judging by the focal length it'll be a specialised lens, and given the price tag, I very much doubt it will gain any popularity before its price starts to fall.
Does anyone know why Canon landscape shooters don't have a 14-24 zoom lens ? are we expected to switch to Nikon ? (tongue in cheek, sort of)
Cheers

not sure why most landscape shooters NEED 2.8

I think you'll find that a lot of Nikon shooters have switched to the 16-35mm VR lens over time because of the use of filters, size, better flare handling and front element convenience.

canon has the excellent 16-35/4 and this adds to it by going 11-24/4 - and also the 17mm TS-E for landscapes.

if you are doing astro nightscapes then nothing beats the Samyang 14mm 2.8 manual focus for that anyways because of it's extreme lack of coma and the fact that it has no electronics - and considering that astro-nightscapes you can be dealing with dewing, and you don't want AF, just less things you have to worry about.

f/2.8 on an UWA is very useful for astrophotography. The wider and faster the lens, the faster shutter speed and lower ISO that can be used before stair trails/excessive noise appear, at least when shooting without a tracking system.

didnt' read that too carefully did you? and it's really astro nightscapes, astrophotography even wide field isn't done or necessary with fast lenses and UWA's.