New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

[rrcphoto]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

For taking pictures of small rooms would a APS-C camera and the Rokinon 8mm not be a cheaper solution?
Unless you have to print large the small rooms.

that's still 13mm - this is wider and the 8mm is a fisheye, not rectilinear.

 

[keithcooper]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Ok so reading through these threads I did see one person say that this is a perfect lens for him because it will likely be relatively light and really wide and therefore perfect for using when hiking to get amazing landscape photos.

I assume that 11 is so much better than 14 that it will be better than using the samyang and that the person using the 11-24 is a much better hiker than I and not worried about tripping and breaking a 3K lens. Who else is this lens for? It does sound like people have been dissapointed with the 16-35 II. if this is just a better lens then it might replace that but I always felt that the 2.8 and 24-35 range were important for that lens for event photography.

I'd love to know what applications this lens is great for...It sounds like a professional landscape lens to me....the wide angle equivalent of the 400 2.8 for sports photographers. If that is the case and it performs as well I'm sure those folks will be thrilled and the rest of us will just gawk at their amazing photos.

However, that is a pretty niche group. The rest of us will settle for 17-40 or 16-35

Architecture - it's what pays my wages ;-)
Landscape I enjoy, but there's not (nearly enough) money in it (well, not doing what I like and where I live in the UK)

I have the 14mm and it's OK for many things where I want wide, but for architectural use I prefer the 17mm, shifted up/down if needed. Also the 8-15, with remapping the image geometry in varying ways.

It takes a fair bit of practice to be able to effectively use very wide angle, but it enables me to get some shots that I couldn't get in other ways. As I mentioned earlier, I'm looking forward to seeing how it expands what I can do - 14mm to 11mm may not sound much to some, but combined with the 17mm and 8-15, I'm just left waiting for a camera to replace my 1Ds 3 ;-)

I recently produced a new web site just for our architectural work and IIRC, over 50% of the images I used the TS-E17 (add in the TS-E24 and EF8-15 and it's probably over 90%)
http://architecture-photos.co.uk

I'd expect an 11-24 to contribute a fair bit to our bottom line ;-)

PS If anyone's curious, I was recently interviewed by X-Rite specifically about my architectural photography
http://blog.xritephoto.com/2015/01/architectural-photography-coloratti-master-keith-cooper/

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'll definitely take a good look at the new lens, it would be unbeatable for small bathrooms, walk-in closets and similar small spaces that I often have to photograph.

For taking pictures of small rooms would a APS-C camera and the Rokinon 8mm not be a cheaper solution?
Unless you have to print large the small rooms.

Maybe, but then I'd have another camera, battery and charger, I'd have to get an L-Plate for it and carry the weight and space the combo would take. In cases like this 'the cost' is not always the bottom line. Besides, I can defish the 15mm most of the time to deal with small situations the 17TS-E can't.

But I got a lot of my work in the last three years because I had the unique 17 and the quality images it delivers, if the 11-24 gave me that edge again I'd have to look very seriously at it, it would cost me money not to. But many of my clients are demanding drone images now so maybe the money will go in that direction, the thing is, a key shot from an elevated position can be a killer image, a marginally nicer shot of a small bathroom, not so much......

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

Uh huh, how'd you pull that off?

http://imageevent.com/sipphoto/panoramahead

Sorry but your home brew doesn't come close to the strength or precision of the RRS set up. Good luck leveling and setting everything up multiple times for multiple angles on a scene in a time constrained event like a sunrise or sunset.

I will give you credit, YOU made it for $50, so have a cookie to celebrate, however the average household does not have the tools to make this as you did, so the average household could NOT make this for $50....And this isn't bringing up the issue of that you made that in February 2005. I seriously doubt all those components are the same price as they were 10 years ago.

Also I hope you aren't shooting outdoor panoramics with that neck strap attached like you have in that picture. Camera not on the apex of the tripod + your home brew + wind hitting the neck strap = blurry shots.

Components are now cheaper.

I have used this quite successfully many times without issues. Leveling is largely irrelevant since the pano is going to be processed anyway. Regardless, I have a bubble level on it. I've had no trouble with it supporting a 5D+70-200/2.8. When it's windy, I just wrap the neck strap around it. And it disassembles and folds up into a little zip top bag.

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I'm not completely sure about the math, but at 24mm I believe you would have to make a multirow panorama, and in order to that competently and eliminate parallax you would need something elaborate like a Really Right Stuff Multi-Row Pano Elements Package which will run up to $915.

I built my own, very easily, for under $50.

Uh huh, how'd you pull that off?

http://imageevent.com/sipphoto/panoramahead

Sorry but your home brew doesn't come close to the strength or precision of the RRS set up. Good luck leveling and setting everything up multiple times for multiple angles on a scene in a time constrained event like a sunrise or sunset.

I will give you credit, YOU made it for $50, so have a cookie to celebrate, however the average household does not have the tools to make this as you did, so the average household could NOT make this for $50....And this isn't bringing up the issue of that you made that in February 2005. I seriously doubt all those components are the same price as they were 10 years ago.

Also I hope you aren't shooting outdoor panoramics with that neck strap attached like you have in that picture. Camera not on the apex of the tripod + your home brew + wind hitting the neck strap = blurry shots.

Components are now cheaper.

I have used this quite successfully many times without issues. Leveling is largely irrelevant since the pano is going to be processed anyway. Regardless, I have a bubble level on it. I've had no trouble with it supporting a 5D+70-200/2.8. When it's windy, I just wrap the neck strap around it. And it disassembles and folds up into a little zip top bag.

Cheaper components....10 years later...in what world? With the rise of commodity prices and inflation that is a laughable statement.

"Success" is certainly a relative term, and judging by the pictures that are also available through the link you provided, I would say my standard of success is wildly different from yours.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Cheaper components....10 years later...in what world? With the rise of commodity prices and inflation that is a laughable statement.

They're made using more efficient processes now, and they're more popular and thus there have been economies of scale.

"Success" is certainly a relative term, and judging by the pictures that are also available through the link you provided, I would say my standard of success is wildly different from yours.

Ah, yes, the argument of someone without an argument ("I don't like your pictures"). It's highly likely that I won't like your images either, since I like essentially zero landscape images. So what? That site is almost 10 years old anyway and most of the shots I've taken with my setup are 360x180 immersive movies.

A panorama head is really a very unnecessary thing unless you have very close subjects. I've taken hundreds and hundreds of panoramas handheld.

I like this one.

 

[jepabst]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Really looking forward to seeing the quality of this lens. I would absolutely consider purchasing.

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Cheaper components....10 years later...in what world? With the rise of commodity prices and inflation that is a laughable statement.

They're made using more efficient processes now, and they're more popular and thus there have been economies of scale.

"Success" is certainly a relative term, and judging by the pictures that are also available through the link you provided, I would say my standard of success is wildly different from yours.

Ah, yes, the argument of someone without an argument ("I don't like your pictures"). It's highly likely that I won't like your images either, since I like essentially zero landscape images. So what? That site is almost 10 years old anyway and most of the shots I've taken with my setup are 360x180 immersive movies.

A panorama head is really a very unnecessary thing unless you have very close subjects. I've taken hundreds and hundreds of panoramas handheld.

I like this one.

For someone without an argument......apparently you forgot, but you interjected yourself into a response that I made to someone else, why you ever even responded to that is beyond me.

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

 

[keithcooper]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

For someone without an argument......apparently you forgot, but you interjected yourself into a response that I made to someone else, why you ever even responded to that is beyond me.

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Well add me to your list of 'no hopers' for having the temerity to shoot panos handheld sometimes, and dare to print them large

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

Yeah its easy to do, that's why tripods were invented, that's why camera manufacturers invented IS, and why all other forms of camera stabilization were invented. Because its easy to hold a camera for a picture.......much less a panorama.

If that picture of the stadium is your definition of success, then yes, yours and my definitions are radically different on multiple levels.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

Yeah its easy to do, that's why tripods were invented, that's why camera manufacturers invented IS, and why all other forms of camera stabilization were invented. Because its easy to hold a camera for a picture.......much less a panorama.

It's much easier on a panorama than on a single shot. Much.

 

[tetten]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

Yeah its easy to do, that's why tripods were invented, that's why camera manufacturers invented IS, and why all other forms of camera stabilization were invented. Because its easy to hold a camera for a picture.......much less a panorama.

It's much easier on a panorama than on a single shot. Much.

Yes, all the pro architectural and landscape photographers handhold all their shots, especially panoramas, because its easy. Much.

Your statements continue to devolve into ridiculousness......or you are trolling, which ever the case, this will definitely be the last I address you.

 

[horshack]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

is it just me left wondering why a 14-24 f/2.8 is still not in the Canon EF lineup ?
judging by the focal length it'll be a specialised lens, and given the price tag, I very much doubt it will gain any popularity before its price starts to fall.
Does anyone know why Canon landscape shooters don't have a 14-24 zoom lens ? are we expected to switch to Nikon ? (tongue in cheek, sort of)
Cheers

not sure why most landscape shooters NEED 2.8

I think you'll find that a lot of Nikon shooters have switched to the 16-35mm VR lens over time because of the use of filters, size, better flare handling and front element convenience.

canon has the excellent 16-35/4 and this adds to it by going 11-24/4 - and also the 17mm TS-E for landscapes.

if you are doing astro nightscapes then nothing beats the Samyang 14mm 2.8 manual focus for that anyways because of it's extreme lack of coma and the fact that it has no electronics - and considering that astro-nightscapes you can be dealing with dewing, and you don't want AF, just less things you have to worry about.

f/2.8 on an UWA is very useful for astrophotography. The wider and faster the lens, the faster shutter speed and lower ISO that can be used before stair trails/excessive noise appear, at least when shooting without a tracking system.

didnt' read that too carefully did you? and it's really astro nightscapes, astrophotography even wide field isn't done or necessary with fast lenses and UWA's.

I read. An 11mm f/2.8 would be preferable to a 11mm f/4 for astro, or astro nightscapes if that term is more agreeable.

 

[Cet]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

Yeah its easy to do, that's why tripods were invented, that's why camera manufacturers invented IS, and why all other forms of camera stabilization were invented. Because its easy to hold a camera for a picture.......much less a panorama.

It's much easier on a panorama than on a single shot. Much.

Yes, all the pro architectural and landscape photographers handhold all their shots, especially panoramas, because its easy. Much.

Your statements continue to devolve into ridiculousness......or you are trolling, which ever the case, this will definitely be the last I address you.

Lets try it with logic: What is more difficult to be hand held, a long or a wide lens? Obviously the longer, the more need for stabilisation and vice versa.

 

[PVS]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And everybody complained about the price if 24-70LmkII and lack of IS, but I don't see price dropping that much - because it IS the best 24-70 in every mount. Bought one, didn't regret it.

I wanted one. Because it doesn't have IS, I didn't buy one or consider buying one, and I never will. I have too many 1 second to 1/4 second shots on my 24-105 to give up the IQ that goes with being forced to shoot at three stops higher ISO because of this glaring error.

I have never once thought my 24-70 2.8Mk2 needs IS. Does all photography before the advent of IS suck? Technology may help your work but it isn't necessary. You are the greatest piece of gear.

Which would you prefer, an ISO 3200 shot or an ISO 25,600 shot?

I'd prefer carrying my tripod. For static subjects and slower shutter speeds I wouldn't reach for IS. I do find IS useful with longer focal lengths BUT when image quality is a priority then I carry tripod - it allows you to turn that 3200 down to 100. It is "a must" photographic tool and is a must when image quality is a must.
Each to his own.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And everybody complained about the price if 24-70LmkII and lack of IS, but I don't see price dropping that much - because it IS the best 24-70 in every mount. Bought one, didn't regret it.

I wanted one. Because it doesn't have IS, I didn't buy one or consider buying one, and I never will. I have too many 1 second to 1/4 second shots on my 24-105 to give up the IQ that goes with being forced to shoot at three stops higher ISO because of this glaring error.

I have never once thought my 24-70 2.8Mk2 needs IS. Does all photography before the advent of IS suck? Technology may help your work but it isn't necessary. You are the greatest piece of gear.

Which would you prefer, an ISO 3200 shot or an ISO 25,600 shot?

I'd prefer carrying my tripod. For static subjects and slower shutter speeds I wouldn't reach for IS. I do find IS useful with longer focal lengths BUT when image quality is a priority then I carry tripod - it allows you to turn that 3200 down to 100. It is "a must" photographic tool and is a must when image quality is a must.
Each to his own.

Most of what I shoot can't be shot with tripod or is in places where tripods are not allowed. I own many tripods but they are largely impractical tools for almost everything I shoot or because I can't carry them where I'm going.

 

[davidcl0nel]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Please use only one measurement system - or buy this 0.43-0.94" lens...

 

[PVS]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And everybody complained about the price if 24-70LmkII and lack of IS, but I don't see price dropping that much - because it IS the best 24-70 in every mount. Bought one, didn't regret it.

I wanted one. Because it doesn't have IS, I didn't buy one or consider buying one, and I never will. I have too many 1 second to 1/4 second shots on my 24-105 to give up the IQ that goes with being forced to shoot at three stops higher ISO because of this glaring error.

I have never once thought my 24-70 2.8Mk2 needs IS. Does all photography before the advent of IS suck? Technology may help your work but it isn't necessary. You are the greatest piece of gear.

Which would you prefer, an ISO 3200 shot or an ISO 25,600 shot?

I'd prefer carrying my tripod. For static subjects and slower shutter speeds I wouldn't reach for IS. I do find IS useful with longer focal lengths BUT when image quality is a priority then I carry tripod - it allows you to turn that 3200 down to 100. It is "a must" photographic tool and is a must when image quality is a must.
Each to his own.

Most of what I shoot can't be shot with tripod or is in places where tripods are not allowed. I own many tripods but they are largely impractical tools for almost everything I shoot or because I can't carry them where I'm going.

Well I haven't thought of that, never had any problems with tripod but I guess it must be the subjects.

 

[lux]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

So it seems not only great for landscape (which I thought would be a small niche for a 3K lens) but also for architecture. That makes sense. If that pays the bills and this is significantly better than the 16-35 then it would be great for those folks. What percentage of professional photogs pay the bills with architecture?