New Sensor Tech in EOS 7D Mark II [CR2]

[Lurker]

Wasn't that the reason the Egyptian empire fell? They were busy looking to the east and waiting instead of watching to the north.

 

[jrista]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

 

[Don Haines]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

It is so hard to take all these conflicting rumours seriously....

 

[Lee Jay]

You know, the A7S sensor numbers on sensorgen (http://sensorgen.info/SonyA7S.html) are quite a revelation. Huge QE (67%), huge well capacity and almost no read noise at high ISO. The read noise at low ISO isn't as good, but still better than anything Canon makes.

As far as sensor technology goes, there's your aim point, Canon.

 

[jrista]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

It is so hard to take all these conflicting rumours seriously....

Indeed. I also heard that the Dead Sea Scrolls contained rumors about the mythical "BigMP" camera...and it's role to play in the end times...

 

[PureClassA]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

It is so hard to take all these conflicting rumours seriously....

Indeed. I also heard that the Dead Sea Scrolls contained rumors about the mythical "BigMP" camera...and it's role to play in the end times...

Perhaps Rosetta Stone makes a Rumors to English version that would clear all this up

 

[cnardo]

What's the latest thinking on when the Official word" will be released???

Photokina starts Tuesday, 9/16 at 8 or 9am so that's 11pm -midnight 9/15 (Monday) West Coast USA time. Will we know anything officially any earlier than that ????

If not, I am just going to go to bed and wait

 

[jrista]

What's the latest thinking on when the Official word" will be released???

Photokina starts Tuesday, 9/16 at 8 or 9am so that's 11pm -midnight 9/15 (Monday) West Coast USA time. Will we know anything officially any earlier than that ????

If not, I am just going to go to bed and wait

From what I gather, Canon is having a press event the night before...so, we won't know anything until the 15th at the earliest.

 

[Old Sarge]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

Don't trust that one. I wrote it.

 

[jrista]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

Don't trust that one. I wrote it.

Damn Sarge, you is OOOOOOLD!

 

[Woody]

I seriously hope this bit of rumor about new Canon sensor tech is true.

I am already very disappointed by the so-called Year of the Lens rumor.

 

[mkabi]

I seriously hope this bit of rumor about new Canon sensor tech is true.

I am already very disappointed by the so-called Year of the Lens rumor.

Whatchyu talking about woody?

It has been the 'Year of the Lens.'
Sigma, Tamron & even Zeiss has produced in total more lenses than we would ever need.
Even Canon put out a few lenses, compared to what...last year?

 

[Lurker]

Yeah, but this is a third-hand rumor, probably translated multiple times from the original ancient Greek!

Even back then they were waiting for a 7D II?

I hear that they found rumoured specs for a 7D2 in hieroglyphics in a pyramid in Egypt.........

I heard they were found in a tablet fragment of early Sumarian Cuneiform...

Don't trust that one. I wrote it.

Ok, I knew I shouldn't have fallen for these rumors.
Nothing about a Canon release has ever been set in stone.

 

[Loswr]

Nothing about a Canon ... has ever been set in stone.

I beg to differ...

 

[Woody]

It has been the 'Year of the Lens.'
Sigma, Tamron & even Zeiss has produced in total more lenses than we would ever need.
Even Canon put out a few lenses, compared to what...last year?

When Canon Rumors calls 2014 the Year of the Lens, they are refering specifically to Canon lenses. Tamron, Sigma and Zeiss are not in the picture. See this:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18167.0

"We’ve had a few confirmations that 2014 will be the “year of the lens” for Canon. While Nikon and Sony go into new markets such as full frame mirrorless and retro designs, Canon will apparently stay the course and concentrate on DSLRs and lenses for the EOS lineup.

What should we expect?

Firstly, a new worlds widest full frame zoom lens (nor sure what this could be), a wide angle zoom with IS (17-50 f/4L IS?), a new fast wide angle successor with “new technology” (35 f/1.4?). We can also expect two new tilt-shift lenses, a telephoto zoom successor (100-400?) as well as “budget high quality lenses”.

I’m starting to believe the hype, as the info is coming from known and new sources, and they all seem to be saying the same thing.

More to come."

What we have in 2014 from Canon so far: EF-M 55-200 IS STM, EF-S 10-18 IS STM and EF 16-35 f/4 IS USM... paltry 3 lenses.

In 2013, Canon released 4 lenses: EF-S 55-250 IS STM, EF-M 11-22 STM, EF 200-400 f/4 IS USM, EF-S 18-55 IS STM.

So... no widest lens ever for FF, no fast wide angle successor, no tilt-shift lenses, no telephoto zoom for FF...

For all we know, Canon may very well chicken out after they review the sales data for DSLRs and decide there won't be a 7D successor... LOL

 

[ULFULFSEN]

You know, the A7S sensor numbers on sensorgen (http://sensorgen.info/SonyA7S.html) are quite a revelation. Huge QE (67%), huge well capacity and almost no read noise at high ISO. The read noise at low ISO isn't as good, but still better than anything Canon makes.

As far as sensor technology goes, there's your aim point, Canon.

maybe today only on geeks forums people complain about canon sensors, as some say.
i don´t know if that´s true.

i have people asking me, if the canon sensors are good because they have "read on the internet..."
these are new user looking for their first DSLR.

but im pretty sure that at some point it will backfire when canon does not adress this image of "5 year old sensors".
i know that´s not entirely true, but the 18MP sensor was a bit of a running joke lately.

 

[Lee Jay]

I'm interested in high-ISO DR because I fight with that all the time. The A7S sensor beats the 1DX (the best Canon has) by 1 stop at 12,800, 1 1/2 stops at 25,600 and 2 stops at 51,200.

 

[Diko]

Yeah, right, I'm sure it's a completely different sensor that just happens to have the same resolution :->

Well how about that? And McDonalds and Korea both use red as primary colour ergo McDonalds is a communistic company? ;-)

As for 180 process - most probably YES. 1Dx after all is using it already.

Source?

FALSE ALARM.

Sorry my bad. In 3 am my memory seems to be out of order. I've just checked:

It's that damn SONIKON D800 and NOT 1Dx :-((((

They were in the same table and my imagination shifted the digits.... :-(

I guess everyone have already read it...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

You know, the A7S sensor numbers on sensorgen (http://sensorgen.info/SonyA7S.html) are quite a revelation. Huge QE (67%), huge well capacity and almost no read noise at high ISO. The read noise at low ISO isn't as good, but still better than anything Canon makes.

As far as sensor technology goes, there's your aim point, Canon.

maybe today only on geeks forums people complain about canon sensors, as some say.
i don´t know if that´s true.

i have people asking me, if the canon sensors are good because they have "read on the internet..."
these are new user looking for their first DSLR.

but im pretty sure that at some point it will backfire when canon does not adress this image of "5 year old sensors".
i know that´s not entirely true, but the 18MP sensor was a bit of a running joke lately.

Canon sensor:

and 100% crops:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5561/15017838720_50f7a57b29_o.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3874/15017948228_369f7a9829_o.jpg

Now I did manage to tripod a couple different exposures for this one, but with the wind, lots of little stuff, especially the highlighted maple in the center moved around too much, so now it's a long process of just painting in the parts of the stable trunks that I can. As a single shot it could be processed a bit better with a ton of careful selective NR and so on, but it still won't be all that great and that is a lot of time wasted and not on anything remotely fun. Still doable more or less with multiple shots combined in this case but with a lot of wasted time and tedious effort (which I have not yet gotten around to). With Exmor this shot as is would already be just good enough to get by with one shot. And that meant with Exmor it would've been no need for tripod, just snap and done and process. More fun and less time wasted. And in some cases too much is shifting around in too tricky of ways and even painting in for hours wouldn't really work.

So yeah I do hope Canon catches up with the 5D4 at least. I have doubts about the 7D2, although if they did with that it would be, obviously, more than encouraging for the 5D4. Otherwise, I'm sorry but no purchase from me, not this time. I've given them many years now and if they mess up the 5D4 DR then forget it. And that would be a shame since they have a great UI, great lenses, and with ML only, better video. Most of us harping a lot are harping because: 1. we actually like Canon better and would way prefer to be able to stay with Canon 2. the fanboys egg us on and mock everyone and spout nonsense and it either makes people leave and stop posting or become prickly and pushy in return although it might be better to resist

 

[Marsu42]

Re: 7D Mark II: Could it be with a FOVEON?

Yeah, right, I'm sure it's a completely different sensor that just happens to have the same resolution :->

Well how about that? And McDonalds and Korea both use red as primary colour ergo McDonalds is a communistic company? ;-)

My thinking is that it would really be a sensor tech, Canon would take the opportunity to go to 24mp. This isn't much more in terms of resulting resolution, but it would be important for marketing vs. Nikon/Sony - and Canon seldom neglects that.

Now I did manage to tripod a couple different exposures for this one, but with the wind, lots of little stuff, especially the highlighted maple in the center moved around too much, so now it's a long process of just painting in the parts of the stable trunks that I can. As a single shot it could be processed a bit better with a ton of careful selective NR and so on, but it still won't be all that great and that is a lot of time wasted and not on anything remotely fun.

High dynamic range scenes with movement (i.e. you cannot bracket or only with composite shots) is exactly what Magic Lantern's dual_iso module is for - it boosts your dr to nearly 15 stops. Why not use it?