Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]

[UncleFester]

The big question is imo: What are the issues that distinguish a new 5D from a new 1D.
The 5D HAS to be "worse" in some perspective.

My guess is the 5D is keeping it's prosumer body and frame-rate characteristics. Maybe improved autofocus.

If the 1D V rumor comes to be, then it's just shedding it's 1.3 crop for full frame. And still a sports camera.

The 1Ds will be slower but with more megapixels.

 

[UncleFester]

BTW. For those who think Canon may be going backwards, their updated telephotos don't reflect that. If that helps.

 

[niccyboy]

Well I guess in 8 days time I'll know if I'm returning to Nikon. If they can manage 36mp and Canon languishes in the weeds with 2004 mp levels, that'll be the end of our 24 year relationship.

with respect, I don't see how not comming with at least 36mp would make you switch back? Unless you need an image that is that large for billboards, etc . . . ? and after 24 years

I'm also curious. Clearly I picked your identity from your website in your signature and you are an extremely accomplished photographer.

Do you mean if Nikon can do 36 and Canon doesn't seem to improve you will swap? Or do you have the dire need for 36mp? If so wouldn't you shoot medium back for a lot of your stuff?

I'm genuinely curious, because there must be some pent up frustration to justify a swap after 2 and a half decades of canon usage.

 

[dstppy]

I recall back, people were wishing for a 60d, but instead got a split in the line up with a new 7d first (with a couple folks balking at the initial price above their range) and then months later received a 60d that some felt underwhelmed too.

You know what, you're absolutely right. Follow that up with 1) stand-alone, the 60D is a wonderful camera for it's segment and 2) people are still harping about piddly things like micro adjustment and plastic on the outside . . . get the 7D if that's what you require; it's a good camera as well.

What you did hit on the head is that this is totally possible, and, the next release could be geared more towards 'the big picture' rather than just keep bumping specs and 'giving people what they expect'.

As others have mentioned before, if you ignore the marketing numbers and look at the new camera for how well it takes pictures in various extreme situations like low light or at high shutter speed, that's what will prove if it's an improvement or not.

The new tech will sooner or later make it into a 5DmkIII and it'll be awesome . . .

 

[Manxdip]

I find this 1.3 to full frame transition to be ridicules. Think about the amount of sports photographers that have invested in thousands of pounds worth of lenses with the 1.3 crop in mind. It would really frustrate a regular user that in mind know his or her mm's. I can't see this rumour coming to life.

 

[wockawocka]

I'm a wedding photographer primarily and for me more than 21mp isnt as essential as low light performance.

In most situations I have to keep the ISO low to keep the quality high but that often means I'm shooting at 2.8 at 1/60 sec.

For me I'd much rather take the same shot at 1/125 and F4 to stop motion and capture more areas in focus but in most situations I can't so if someone presented me with two cameras I would choose the one which addresed my needs more.

If it is an 18mp full frame with 4 years of sensor tech since the last ff sensor was released I would expect a massive jump in ISO performance. But then it would just be a D3x and not a step forward.

 

[Stuart]

Native ISO 51,200 NOT 100 - this is an amazing AMAZING claim.
But think, what does this mean. shutter speeds will need to be much faster - too fast for physical shutters?

 

[bikersbeard]

I think when they say native thats without the L & H expansion.. so a clean 12800 and usable ISO up to 51200

 

[mreco99]

With the damaged plants in recents days, as reported on NR, we will be lucky to get anything! Some companies are really feeling the pain with all these natural disasters lately.

Im surprised there isnt an update in the CR news about these floodings in the last few days

 

[Gothmoth]

Well I guess in 8 days time I'll know if I'm returning to Nikon. If they can manage 36mp and Canon languishes in the weeds with 2004 mp levels, that'll be the end of our 24 year relationship.

with respect, I don't see how not comming with at least 36mp would make you switch back? Unless you need an image that is that large for billboards, etc . . . ? and after 24 years

it´s the typical troll blahblah.

but on the other side... i see customers all day who ask for the cheapest camera with the most MP.... even in 2011. :

 

[melbournite]

I've been a keen watcher of this site for a few years now and registered for the first time to add my voice to this discussion.

Give me great looking high ISO, improved dynamic range with only 20mp in a full frame sensor and I will be purchasing my first 1 series camera body.

At a reasonable price and hopefully with a few additional improvements of course.

 

[Woody]

Reality is no one knows.

1D5? 6D? Or even some mirrorless camera? The last possibility somehow has not been entertained.

 

[pp77]

If a new camera would be announced at the event on October 18th, does it make sense to invite CPS platinum members and presenting something different then a new top level (1D5) camera?

 

[pedro]

If a new camera would be announced at the event on October 18th, does it make sense to invite CPS platinum members and presenting something different then a new top level (1D5) camera?

Agreed: the invited few need a real nice piece of meat...;-)
An 1DV FF (out of my range...saving up for a 5Diii or whatever will hit the street in its league)
fits perfectly with the newer canon line up after the 7D:

future 1Ds IV (high pixel count sensor)
1DV (high speed monster)
future 5Diii (higher pixel count sensor)
7D (APS-C speed monster)
60D
6xx D
1xxxD

So CR has taken a good guess.
About 10 days from now we'll get the Rosendaal report ;-)

 

[Bob Howland]

I've been a keen watcher of this site for a few years now and registered for the first time to add my voice to this discussion.

Give me great looking high ISO, improved dynamic range with only 20mp in a full frame sensor and I will be purchasing my first 1 series camera body.

At a reasonable price and hopefully with a few additional improvements of course.

Same here, but I'm afraid that the price is going to make me wince.

 

[Polansky]

I find this 1.3 to full frame transition to be ridicules. Think about the amount of sports photographers that have invested in thousands of pounds worth of lenses with the 1.3 crop in mind. It would really frustrate a regular user that in mind know his or her mm's. I can't see this rumour coming to life.

You made my day! What a laugh!!!

You forget that for every professional sports photographer there are at least 10 professional wedding and portrait photographers out there that do want to have a affordable full frame body.

The 1Ds is hardly an 'affordable' camera. The 5D2 is, but that lacks a proper AF and speed and can therefore hardly be called a professional camera.

 

[Polansky]

With the damaged plants in recents days, as reported on NR, we will be lucky to get anything! Some companies are really feeling the pain with all these natural disasters lately.

Im surprised there isnt an update in the CR news about these floodings in the last few days

Canon's plant is one for inkjet printers, and is not being used for the production of camera gear.

"Canon Inc. halted operations at its inkjet printer plant in Ayutthaya because of flooding and will keep the factory closed tomorrow as a precautionary measure, Hirotomo Fujimori, a Tokyo- based spokesman for the company, said by phone today. "

 

[ajmills]

I find this 1.3 to full frame transition to be ridicules. Think about the amount of sports photographers that have invested in thousands of pounds worth of lenses with the 1.3 crop in mind. It would really frustrate a regular user that in mind know his or her mm's. I can't see this rumour coming to life.

This isn't an issue - to the best of my knowledge, EF-S lenses won't fit the 1.3 crop 1D.

Even if they did fit, the sort of lenses professional sports photographers use are EF mount L type. which they can just go on using.

 

[torger]

I think it seems like a good approach would be to have a relatively low MP count fast professional camera aimed at photojournalism, wildlife, sports, event photography, in all those cases you don't really have use of high MP count, and then make a separate high MP count camera for studio and landscape, which does not need to be fast.

I don't see that you could make enough differentiators between a high MP 5Dmk3 and a high MP 1Dxxx to make people by the 1D instead of 5D. With Nikon seemingly coming out with a 36 MP D800 I see it unlikely that 5Dmk3 will be low MP, and with a high MP 5Dmk3, I think it will be hard to sell a next generation 1Ds with the same or similar resolution figure.

 

[eos650]

I find this 1.3 to full frame transition to be ridicules. Think about the amount of sports photographers that have invested in thousands of pounds worth of lenses with the 1.3 crop in mind. It would really frustrate a regular user that in mind know his or her mm's. I can't see this rumour coming to life.

This isn't an issue - to the best of my knowledge, EF-S lenses won't fit the 1.3 crop 1D.

Even if they did fit, the sort of lenses professional sports photographers use are EF mount L type. which they can just go on using.

I think Manxdip's point was that they would lose 30% of their reach, which could be a big deal, depending on someone's shooting style and the lenses and combinations they use.