Official release of Nikon D850
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privatebydesign said:
Indeed. Working files from the Nikon D810 and the Sony a7rII, it looks to me that at low ISO Nikon's implementation of the 36 mp FF Exmor sensor is well superior to Sony's implementation of the 42 mp Exmor R. (BIS).
Have you managed to make a post without a warning Private ? Well done
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privatebydesign said:
Yes.
In this case, Nikon's engineers (who designed the sensor and fab'd it out) apparently chose to make a BSI sensor to increase bandwidth to get the high fps with all those pixels.
FWIW, I think BSI sensors used to be costlier to produce... Anyone have data on that aspect?
(cuz if so it makes the intro price all that much more interestin)
see point #11 on the link I put a couple posts up.
They're also claiming same or better DR than d810...
I'm looking forward to real tests on that as well as the read noise levels and possible pattern noise.
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MrFotoFool said:
As Sharlin alluded to, it's not really that having a built-in flash is a selling point for the D800/810 and Canon just decided to do nothing. Rather, you have a certain amount of space in the VF bump, and you can either fill it with the biggest VF possible, or shrink the VF and add flash, or more antennas for WiFi/ BT/ GPS/ whatever. For someone who wants the flash, having it is a selling point. For someone who wants no flash or a dedicated one, having it built in is actually a negative, and not one that can be answered by "well just leave it folded down"; having the flash built-in specifically means that something else was left off to make room for it.
If you value a built-in flash you can certainly be disappointed that Canon chose another route for design, but it's not just them "being lazy", or "crippling" (which makes no sense, because it would only possibly be pushing people to a cheaper body instead of more expensive). As with almost all of these criticisms, it's a matter of tradeoffs and priorities, and based on sales, it seems as if Canon makes the correct choice more often than not, even if a very vocal minority is disappointed.
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This camera body with the 100th Anniversary three lens kit would be a killer setup (14-24 f2.8, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8 ). Almost (but not really) enough to make me switch to Nikon. If I had the money in hand, though, I might seriously consider it. That is until Canon's next great camera (5DsII?) and I decide to switch back. 
Nikon's affordable 200-500 is a major selling point as well.
Nikon's affordable 200-500 is a major selling point as well.
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Aglet said:
I noticed the f2 button on the bottom left, but that would be awkward. On my 1DX I like using the asterisk for ''Recall shooting function'' and it has been a blessing. I dont and haven't owned a Nikon, but on the D810 I hoped I would be able to do something similar. Doesn't look like that will be the case at all with the D850. Do you have any experience?
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Ryananthony said:
I can see that instant ability to change shooting modes or settings with a function button would be handy in some situations.
My FF Nikon experience is primarily with the original D800 as I haven't had a need to upgrade from that. I use them in full manual mode most of the time for landscape shooting. As such I make little use of advanced shooting features; just set up to work the way I typically do with that body.
It could be useful to download the PDF user manual for the D850 and see what they allow you to assign to the F2 button. There are a couple more buttons on the front, inside the fingertip area, but those are often used for stop-down preview and a variety of other functions you can program as well.
850 manual wasn't there yet when I checked:
http://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/index.html
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Aglet said:
Thanks for the link. I can't believe I didn't think of actually reading the manual. Unfortunately, it doesn't look to be an option.
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MrFotoFool said:This camera body with the 100th Anniversary three lens kit would be a killer setup (14-24 f2.8, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8 ). Almost (but not really) enough to make me switch to Nikon. If I had the money in hand, though, I might seriously consider it. That is until Canon's next great camera (5DsII?) and I decide to switch back.
I was always jealous of the Nikon 200-500/5.6, until I got the Canon 100-400 L II. The much, much smaller size and weight make it a handheld shooter, while the Nikon is a rough ride for that, and the amazing 3.5' MFD makes it useful for shooting subjects the size of a bug without having to get so close as to spook it. Of course, there's the optical quality too.
Obviously, the price is a thing, as the Canon is $600 more. But if I had to choose between them, I'd pick the Canon 100-400LII every single time and happily shell out that extra $600.
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I saw that the D850 is already sold out on the pre-sales.
Canon, THIS is what we want, a top full frame body with no holding back on the specs.
I was really convinced I'd buy a 5D4 even before it was announced, but I really can't convince myself - especially after looking at the D850 specs and knowing it costs roughly the same thing.
Canon, THIS is what we want, a top full frame body with no holding back on the specs.
I was really convinced I'd buy a 5D4 even before it was announced, but I really can't convince myself - especially after looking at the D850 specs and knowing it costs roughly the same thing.
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snoke said:
Sure, everyone wants that. I really hope the D850 proves to be as good as it looks on paper because competition is good for the consumer. Now let me ask you a question, just for context: suppose the D850 and the 5D4 had the same sensor, with all else remaining the same. Would this cause Nikon shooters to sell their gear and move to Canon? Why or why not?
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Based on specs this really is the perfect camera (one which I can't seem to get out of my head, after thinking I would never buy another camera for a decade or more). One note on ergonomics, which is an observation made by my Nikon shooting brother comparing his D800 to my 5Diii. I think the D850 is similar to D800 in size?
The Canon is solid and nice heft but has a normal (not too tall) body. The D800 series is a bit taller, but not as big as a pro grip body (Canon 1D series, Nikon D5). My brother felt the Nikon fit better in the hand as my Canon felt like his pinky finger was falling off the bottom. He and I are are both tall with long fingers, so for people like us I think he may have a point.
I recently picked up a used Canon 1Div as my second camera, which though I like is a bit too big and heavy (on first major shoot without a strap or tripod it gave me tennis elbow which took a few months to heal). I think the D800 series (including new D850) is the perfect size.
I really cannot afford to change systems - why am I trying to convince myself to get this camera?!!!
The Canon is solid and nice heft but has a normal (not too tall) body. The D800 series is a bit taller, but not as big as a pro grip body (Canon 1D series, Nikon D5). My brother felt the Nikon fit better in the hand as my Canon felt like his pinky finger was falling off the bottom. He and I are are both tall with long fingers, so for people like us I think he may have a point.
I recently picked up a used Canon 1Div as my second camera, which though I like is a bit too big and heavy (on first major shoot without a strap or tripod it gave me tennis elbow which took a few months to heal). I think the D800 series (including new D850) is the perfect size.
I really cannot afford to change systems - why am I trying to convince myself to get this camera?!!!
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Mancubus said:
The 5D4 is a significant upgrade to the Mk3 despite what you read online, the camera is improved in every way IMO. I'd never go back to a Mk3, it's a better camera than my 1DX2 in many ways.
Oh and re the D850, people are never happy, over on the Nikon camp they are all saying how users will stick with the D810.
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I am curious if you have used both (5D3 and 5D4) and if you notice an improvement in the AI focus tracking. I sometimes photograph animals and found the 5D3 cannot keep the head in focus, but lags a bit where the point of focus is farther back on the body. I bought a used 1D4 that works well for this, but it is so darn heavy.arthurbikemad said:
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MrFotoFool said:
Without sounding like a canon advert I'd say it is improved, they claim it has improved algorithms etc etc but I'd take a guess and say it's the focus system in general that has been improved, that plus more umph from the processor contributes to better AF in general, tbh I don't see any significant change from my 5D4 and my 1DX2. What is a big improvement in both bodies is the low light performance of the focus system, this is the one area that I feel great steps has been made by Canon. My 5D3 used to struggle with low light AF where the 5D4 seems to see in the dark, that said my 1DX2 did have issues last week shooting with the 85ii into the direct sun! Things that stand out for me are, the touch screen, the touch screen AF has way more options than the 1DX2, low light AF, the extra MP, WiFi/phone app is very useful, Video AF is GREAT, the new focus toggle button as seen on the 7D2, feels lighter than a 5D3, I am sure these things may seem minor but they add up as a whole. Hire one?
Never as good as a D850 but it will do. ;D
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