Picked up Fuji Xt1 - was blown away - where is Canon?

[Orangutan]

Before knocking anything, go get your hands on whatever it is for a few weeks. Talk is cheap. Go find out for yourselves how good or bad something is. Then we can resume conversation.

I don't think anyone is knocking Fuji for what it is. Whether it meets your needs depends on what you shoot and the thickness of your wallet. You can afford more than one kit, I can't. I would very much like to borrow someone's Fuji kit for a weekend to try, but I'm not going to buy into a new system unless I see clear reason to do so.

I hope Fuji is as good as you say: a bit more competition would be good for the customers.

 

[JohnDizzo15]

I don't think anyone is knocking Fuji for what it is. Whether it meets your needs depends on what you shoot and the thickness of your wallet. You can afford more than one kit, I can't. I would very much like to borrow someone's Fuji kit for a weekend to try, but I'm not going to buy into a new system unless I see clear reason to do so.

I hope Fuji is as good as you say: a bit more competition would be good for the customers.

Absolutely agree with equipment meeting needs and taking budget into account.

If you are serious about trying, rental is an option. Or you could just buy from a large retailer and try it out for a couple weeks and return if it doesn't work out for you (not as kosher, but if you have no other options...).

At this juncture, there is no need to sit here and make claims about the IQ being better or worse. In all honesty, both of my main systems have their pros and cons. But one thing is certain, I have taken about 15k images with the xt1 over the past year and about 5k with my Canon. And I can say with certainty that in most cases, I am thoroughly pleased with what the Fuji brings to the table for me (while still recognizing that there are instances where I NEED my Canon rig).

 

[bdunbar79]

I definitely didn't mean you yourself were making those claims. And I agree that it is use-case and blanket statements don't make much sense.

 

[Aglet]

"Meets need' is not appropriate either as most don't know their needs and buy because friends or salesman says so"

What an incredibly logically-flawed A$$umption. No need commenting further on that one.

I also am amazed at how little knowledge people really do have of DR. To say a sensor has "poor dynamic range" doesn't make the slightest bit of sense since DR changes with ISO. Maybe it's the lack of physics knowledge. Canon has top DR at higher ISO's. So I could argue the D800 has very poor DR. Because at 3200 and above it absolutely SUCKS whereas the 1Dx still maintains 9.7 stops.

Who cares if a camera has 13 or 14 or 15 stops of DR at ISO 100? You have plenty of light if you are shooting at ISO 100 so why do you need that many stops?? I need all the DR I can get at higher ISO's (where it makes sense) and actually Canon is very, very good in that regard.

What's incredibly flawed is your argument.

 

[Marsu42]

I also am amazed at how little knowledge people really do have of DR. [...] Maybe it's the lack of physics knowledge. Canon has top DR at higher ISO's. [...] You have plenty of light if you are shooting at ISO 100 so why do you need that many stops??

What's incredibly flawed is your argument.

No idea ... but he compensates lack of logic with an abundance of self-confidence :->

 

[Hillsilly]

I wonder how Fuji can help me to continue to shoots sports and make MONEY.

Come the 11th of May when the X-T1's get their version 4 firmware update, everyone's going be dropping their Canon cameras and picking up the Fuji. This firmware upgrade is codenamed "autofocus TURBO BOOST". The X-T1 already boasts the world's fastest autofocus when coupled with their 14mm lens. This firmware update will take things to a completely new level (we're talking Samsung type performance!). I'd get the X-T1 now before the other pros find out.

 

[bdunbar79]

I wonder how Fuji can help me to continue to shoots sports and make MONEY.

Come the 11th of May when the X-T1's get their version 4 firmware update, everyone's going be dropping their Canon cameras and picking up the Fuji. This firmware upgrade is codenamed "autofocus TURBO BOOST". The X-T1 already boasts the world's fastest autofocus when coupled with their 14mm lens. This firmware update will take things to a completely new level (we're talking Samsung type performance!). I'd get the X-T1 now before the other pros find out.

Too funny!

 

[Sporgon]

Come the 11th of May when the X-T1's get their version 4 firmware update, everyone's going be dropping their Canon cameras and picking up the Fuji.

;D ;D

Think you must have added an H, an I and two Ls to your nickname by mistake

 

[distant.star]

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Question...

I've been doing this Internet thing since the 1980s, but lately I haven't kept up so well. For example, I'm just recently coming to terms with the concept of "troll."

Surely there must be a name for a poster who boarishly comments to one person about another person without addressing that third person. At a cocktail party, that would be rude behavior indeed. Not so here in the keyboard world?

I also am amazed at how little knowledge people really do have of DR. [...] Maybe it's the lack of physics knowledge. Canon has top DR at higher ISO's. [...] You have plenty of light if you are shooting at ISO 100 so why do you need that many stops??

What's incredibly flawed is your argument.

No idea ... but he compensates lack of logic with an abundance of self-confidence :->

 

[bdunbar79]

Why do you need 13.4 stops instead of 11.5? Seems like every single shooting situation you're in there JUST wasn't enough stops of DR!

 

[Marsu42]

Question... I've been doing this Internet thing since the 1980s, but lately I haven't kept up so well. For example, I'm just recently coming to terms with the concept of "troll."

Answer ... if someone trolls himself, i.e. boldly argues that everybody not having his opinion lacks physics knowledge, it is perfectly alright not to address such a weird post directly - esp. if the poster obviously lacks said knowledge himself, stating that you don't need high dr on iso 100 because there's plenty of light (sic).

At a cocktail party, that would be rude behavior indeed. Not so here in the keyboard world?

I'm more than happy to provide guidance on your tip to the Internet world. Think of someone dropping his trousers and urinating on the table while attending a cocktail party. If a 2nd person makes a comment, it is proper etiquette to reply to that 2nd person alone w/o addressing the 1st person, esp. if he doesn't seem to see anything improper about what he's undertaking. Much better to let 1st person go on, in the Internet world that's called "don't feed the troll".

Why do you need 13.4 stops instead of 11.5? Seems like every single shooting situation you're in there JUST wasn't enough stops of DR!

These numbers aren't mere arbitrary numerics, they do relate to real life shooting. In my experience (with Magic Lantern's dual iso which goes up a bit above 14.5ev) shooting against the sun with movement on sunrise/sunset qualifies as just that. Same goes for cloudy sky w/o blowing the bright parts, as well for general noon daylight shadows - though for the latter it can be argued this type of lighting doesn't look very beautiful in any case.

I'd say anthing more than 15ev (optimally in a 16bit file) is rarer, but very "nice to have" as your exposure doesn't need to be spot-on which is always difficult to do in changing light and little time to get it right.

 

[bdunbar79]

If you say so. I suppose since I shoot at higher ISO's I could then just say the DR on the D800 is poor right? Because my 1Dx has more. So according to the blanket statements that Canon's DR is poor (even though it's just at low ISO) I could just say that. I guess personally I'd rather have it in higher ISO situations. It's much handier to me to have 9.7 stops at ISO 6400 than 8.3 vs. the 11.5 to 13.4 at ISO 100. That's all I meant about ISO relation; people conveniently leave it out and think we all shoot at ISO 100 on a tripod, weighted down, with IS.

 

[Aglet]

If you say so. I suppose since I shoot at higher ISO's I could then just say the DR on the D800 is poor right? Because my 1Dx has more. So according to the blanket statements that Canon's DR is poor (even though it's just at low ISO) I could just say that. I guess personally I'd rather have it in higher ISO situations. It's much handier to me to have 9.7 stops at ISO 6400 than 8.3 vs. the 11.5 to 13.4 at ISO 100. That's all I meant about ISO relation; people conveniently leave it out and think we all shoot at ISO 100 on a tripod, weighted down, with IS.

There are still a couple types of camera systems, by both major players, that are tailored to specific markets.
FWIW, D8x0 spanks your 1DX up to a moderate ISO range, which isn't bad at all considering its tiny pixels are designed for detail rather than speed and low light.
If you want to compare your 1DX numbers to its more direct competition, like a D4 or D4s, you'll find they're very similar across the board with a slight hi ISO edge to the Nik until you get to the extremes where it's debateable how useful such levels of sensitivity really are.
Maybe the 1dx2 will be a bigger winner; the current version has too much FPN for a pro body unless you are pro-plaid.

 

[distant.star]

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Well, I hope that made you feel better.

Answer ... if someone trolls himself, i.e. boldly argues that everybody not having his opinion lacks physics knowledge, it is perfectly alright not to address such a weird post directly - esp. if the poster obviously lacks said knowledge himself, stating that you don't need high dr on iso 100 because there's plenty of light (sic).

 

[Loswr]

Odd that the government 2 party system has extended to consumer products (Canon / Nikon) as the only true options for those who are serious. Not my opinion, but folks certainly talk about it that way.

Fuji has a place.

So does the Green Party.

 

[Marsu42]

Thanks, and isn't that what the Internet is all about?

Well, I hope that made you feel better.

Answer ... if someone trolls himself, i.e. boldly argues that everybody not having his opinion lacks physics knowledge, it is perfectly alright not to address such a weird post directly - esp. if the poster obviously lacks said knowledge himself, stating that you don't need high dr on iso 100 because there's plenty of light (sic).