POLL: The 2nd ff camera in 2014 will be...

[Marsu42]

What do you think - will the 6d be updated with a above-mediocre af system and dual pixel af for the masses, or will the 5d3 at last get a real sensor upgrade above the good ol' 5d2 and become the even more expensive 5d4?

Edit: I changed the poll question to make it's clear "ff in 2014" might as well be just an announcement, and actual 2014 releases might be "just" lenses. Still, the question is which ff updates comes first as this might matter to potential buyers of the current models.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

If Canon considers that 6D is a "Rebel full frame" then it should be updated in a short time. If we observe that T5i has 9 focus points ALL CROSS-TYPE, we can say that 6D is experiencing shame, since in practice only has one usable focal point. It would be something like Nikon D600, has been updated D610 to correct the problem for the oil sensor.

 

[Sporgon]

I can't see Canon announcing a 5D III replacement in 2014, - unless they have some fundamental new tech that they want to share with us.

 

[Harv]

I don't see the 5D3 or the 1Dx being updated any time soon. That would be too short a life cycle for their pro cameras if the past teaches us anything.

I think we'll likely see the long anticipated 1Dxs, high MP camera that has been rumored for some time and possibly an updated 6D as the usual life cycle of prosumer cameras would be consistent with that.

Just sayin'

 

[Axilrod]

What do you think - will the 6d be updated with a above-mediocre af system and dual pixel af for the masses, or will the 5d3 at last get a real sensor upgrade above the good ol' 5d2 and become the even more expensive 5d4?

The 5D3 did get an updated sensor from the 5D2....sure it wasn't a big jump in megapixels or anything but it's definitely a better sensor overall.

 

[silvestography]

I'd love a 6dII that's basically a full frame 70d:
- 20mp sensor (I'd be fine with the same one)
- Dual Pixel AF
- 19pt AF, but with the same -3ev sensitivity (and more spread than the current 6d)
- 5+ fps

I'd also like to see some better video features like a headphone jack and more framerates (the d5300 can do 1080 @ 60p, I don't see why a 6dII couldn't).

The 6d offers a lot more room for improvement than the 5dIII, though canon doesn't seem very committed to its entry level full frame offering to me. Only time will tell, I suppose.

 

[RomainF]

I'd love a 6dII that's basically a full frame 70d:
- 20mp sensor (I'd be fine with the same one)
- Dual Pixel AF
- 19pt AF, but with the same -3ev sensitivity (and more spread than the current 6d)
- 5+ fps

I'd also like to see some better video features like a headphone jack and more framerates (the d5300 can do 1080 @ 60p, I don't see why a 6dII couldn't).

The 6d offers a lot more room for improvement than the 5dIII, though canon doesn't seem very committed to its entry level full frame offering to me. Only time will tell, I suppose.

With that 6D2, 19 cross types focus points, 5fps, 20mpx and the 6D iso abilities, why would you even consider buying a 5D3 ? I don't think the 6D can get that good.
The 5D3 should be upgraded a lot : better fps, about 8, which became a real "fast burst" mode. And then, with a 5D3 with a burst, why would you spend double $ to get a 1Dx which would only offers a somehow better AF and ISO, but not "that" better ? Then the 1Dx must be updated : 16fps, clean 12800 and faultless AF ? That'd be great but i don't see these improvements coming so early.

 

[unfocused]

The 5D3 did get an updated sensor from the 5D2....sure it wasn't a big jump in megapixels or anything but it's definitely a better sensor overall.

+1. I get tired of people acting like there was no improvement in sensor performance. Definitely an improvement in high ISO.

I'd love a 6dII that's basically a full frame 70d:
- 20mp sensor (I'd be fine with the same one)
- Dual Pixel AF
- 19pt AF, but with the same -3ev sensitivity (and more spread than the current 6d)
- 5+ fps...

With that 6D2, 19 cross types focus points, 5fps, 20mpx and the 6D ISO abilities, why would you even consider buying a 5D3 ? I don't think the 6D can get that good.

I do doubt Canon would up the fps, unless unless they pull a "7D" on the 5DIII firmware and up the fps of the 5DIII, which is very plausible. I could see Canon at some point extending the life of the 5DIII with improved firmware...good customer relations, reinvigorates the model and buys them time.

The rest of Silvestography's list – same mp but with a dual pixel sensor and a 7D/70D type autofocus – seems very possible.

I don't think these improvements would impact the 5DIII all that much. I suspect that the strongest selling points for the 5DIII over the 6D remain the build, ergonomics and auto-focus. (that was my case).

People on forums worry way too much about one line cannibalizing another. Companies tend to be more concerned about preventing the competition from getting your money. 6D or 5D – in the long run what matters is they've got you hooked and know you will keep mainlining lenses and strobes until you are broke.

 

[klickflip]

5D IVideo lol definitely!

24-28 mp sensor 2.5K video, Dual Pixel AF forsure, full raw out hdmi out, maybe dual outs for monitoring and capturing.

Pretty much sure that they could make one now if they wanted to.

That will leave the 6D to be like someone said a FF rebel at much lower price, maybe even $999 by end 2014.

this may mess up the 7D2 pricing tho.. I know that a different topic but think we have to look at the bigger picture,

So I'll add a 7D2 mid 2014 that effectively replaces the old 1D4.. which it may verywell be a reworking of that with a new sensor (maybe 28MP) at $2.5K for sports on a budget and amature wildlife etc.

 

[Richard8971]

Hard to say what Canon is up to. I would definitely say that a high MP, high end EOS 1Dx (not to be confused with the 1DX) is in the lineup but the second body?

The 5D3 is still pretty much leading edge and the 6D is also pretty new so I can't imagine a "replacement" for either one anytime soon. (perhaps 2015) With the rumored 7D2 leading the APS-c lineup again I would venture a guess that a second FF body (IF one is released) would be a smaller version of the high end EOS 1Dx like the Nikon D800 or D800E.

Seems reasonable to me IF Canon follows Nikon's current offerings. Canon has been stagnant lately in terms of their camera offerings and sadly so has Nikon to a degree.

They offer so many camera bodies that are so similar to each other it really makes you wonder why?

Think about it. With the 60D with a 18MP sensor and shooting at 5.3fps and $600 cheaper than the 7D (not talking about sales) why would you buy the 7D? MOST people don't realize how certain features affect real world shooting, so price DOES play in in buying a first camera. Canon has so many cameras that are so similar it doesn't make sense.

I mean really? The SL1, T5i and the T3? THREE entry level cameras? Why? The T5i is a great camera, ONE entry level camera is fine, really.

Almost seems like Canon cares more about video shooting lately than they do the still segment. Hey Canon! I DON'T shoot video with my 7D! Never will!

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[Loswr]

Neither. It's "The Year of the Lens," remember? :-X

 

[Zv]

Hard to say what Canon is up to. I would definitely say that a high MP, high end EOS 1Dx (not to be confused with the 1DX) is in the lineup but the second body?

The 5D3 is still pretty much leading edge and the 6D is also pretty new so I can't imagine a "replacement" for either one anytime soon. (perhaps 2015) With the rumored 7D2 leading the APS-c lineup again I would venture a guess that a second FF body (IF one is released) would be a smaller version of the high end EOS 1Dx like the Nikon D800 or D800E.

Seems reasonable to me IF Canon follows Nikon's current offerings. Canon has been stagnant lately in terms of their camera offerings and sadly so has Nikon to a degree.

They offer so many camera bodies that are so similar to each other it really makes you wonder why?

Think about it. With the 60D with a 18MP sensor and shooting at 5.3fps and $600 cheaper than the 7D (not talking about sales) why would you buy the 7D? MOST people don't realize how certain features affect real world shooting, so price DOES play in in buying a first camera. Canon has so many cameras that are so similar it doesn't make sense.

I mean really? The SL1, T5i and the T3? THREE entry level cameras? Why? The T5i is a great camera, ONE entry level camera is fine, really.

Almost seems like Canon cares more about video shooting lately than they do the still segment. Hey Canon! I DON'T shoot video with my 7D! Never will!

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Because entry level is where they make the most money and that money then gets used for R&D of the higher end stuff and new lenses.

The SL1 is marketed at, well let's be honest, young ladies. It's a small and compact and fits in a handbag.

The t5i is marketed at the beginner, and those on a budget that want functionality and good IQ.

The 60/70D is for the hobbyist and enthusiast, but likely those who find the rebel a bit too small and plasticky. It fits a certain profile. I can't quite figure what myself but I'm sure it exists!

The 7D is for serious photographers who need the speed and durability but aren't pro and don't have thousands in the bank. A poor mans sports camera.

It's all about choice. Why are there 50 types of potato chips? Why not just one pack in one size? Some people are hungrier than others just like some photogs want more camera than others.

 

[emag]

.....EOS 1V MkII

 

[sama]

I guess none of the above. It could possibly be a high MP 1DXs and a FF M/mirrorless.

 

[Dylan777]

I don't understand this poll, since both cameras are less than 2yrs old.

2014 might be high MP FF and/or 7D II as super crop

 

[9VIII]

The rumor says two announcements in 2014, with availability in early 2015. That is right on schedule for the 5D upgrade.

 

[Ruined]

Canon EOS 6.5 Duo, the first ever camera with both FF *and* APS-C sensors!

 

[Janbo Makimbo]

A 5D upgrade, its specs are dated for the pirce!!

 

[Ruined]

On a serious note, if I had to pick between the two I'd go 5D4.

Reasoning:

* 6D does have shortcomings such as less precise AF, but it also has some new tech like wifi builtin - and arguably better low light photo IQ if you take autofocus out of the picture. Plus, for those who are not gearhounds, the less precise AF of the 6D is not really a big deal as it was used in the 5D & 5D2.

* If 6D gets a 70D-quality autofocus *and* DPAF before 5D does, that will make 5D significantly more unattractive for the price.

* Thus, if 6D is to be revised and not disrupt the pricing scheme, it would only be for minor stuff like a touchscreen in menus/preview - which does not seem worth releasing a whole new camera for, as the current AF system couldn't even handle Rebel T4i-esque liveview touch focus.

* 5D3 is a spectacular camera, but I think the low light performance could be a little better with the newer tech now available. Also it is missing builtin wifi and could benefit from DPAF if implemented in an innovative fashion. Not to mention, they could always bump the MP a bit. Would also like to see touchscreen enabled for DPAF & pinch to zoom photo preview, a bit more natural than using zoom keys and joystick.


So I think in this case they should release 5D4 before 6D2, as I think a highly enhanced 6D would result in Canon needing to drop 5D price - doubt they want to!

 

[Janbo Makimbo]

On a more serious note.... More or less what I said!!

On a serious note, if I had to pick between the two I'd go 5D4.

Reasoning:

* 6D does have shortcomings such as less precise AF, but it also has some new tech like wifi builtin - and arguably better low light photo IQ if you take autofocus out of the picture. Plus, for those who are not gearhounds, the less precise AF of the 6D is not really a big deal as it was used in the 5D & 5D2.

* If 6D gets a 70D-quality autofocus *and* DPAF before 5D does, that will make 5D significantly more unattractive for the price.

* Thus, if 6D is to be revised and not disrupt the pricing scheme, it would only be for minor stuff like a touchscreen in menus/preview - which does not seem worth releasing a whole new camera for, as the current AF system couldn't even handle Rebel T4i-esque liveview touch focus.

* 5D3 is a spectacular camera, but I think the low light performance could be a little better with the newer tech now available. Also it is missing builtin wifi and could benefit from DPAF if implemented in an innovative fashion. Not to mention, they could always bump the MP a bit. Would also like to see touchscreen enabled for DPAF & pinch to zoom photo preview, a bit more natural than using zoom keys and joystick.


So I think in this case they should release 5D4 before 6D2, as I think a highly enhanced 6D would result in Canon needing to drop 5D price - doubt they want to!