Real video samples from 5d Mark iii?

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In searching for video samples from the to be released DSLRs from Canon and Nikon there are TONS of Youtube videos claiming authenticity, but I have my doubts. Has anyone sorted out which are real (if any) and which are not (beyond those officially released)? It doesn't look like any official ones for the 5d Mark iii yet?
 
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Jeff Gibbs said:
In searching for video samples from the to be released DSLRs from Canon and Nikon there are TONS of Youtube videos claiming authenticity, but I have my doubts. Has anyone sorted out which are real (if any) and which are not (beyond those officially released)? It doesn't look like any official ones for the 5d Mark iii yet?
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I've been looking for same thing, Just located this at the cinema5D forum. 5D Mk3 @ 12800 ISO

EOS 5D Mark III ISO 12800 MOVIE
 
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If this is actual video I would be worried. I hope something sanctioned by Canon comes our way soon. The 5d Mark ii's flaw for video for me is it's softness/lack of resolution, anything wide looks like there is a film over it compared to other cameras. It's a beautiful image, and THE only thing I could not work around with careful shooting with the Mark ii was the softness of the video.
 
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Jeff Gibbs said:
In searching for video samples from the to be released DSLRs from Canon and Nikon there are TONS of Youtube videos claiming authenticity, but I have my doubts. Has anyone sorted out which are real (if any) and which are not (beyond those officially released)? It doesn't look like any official ones for the 5d Mark iii yet?
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Seeing as the camera won't be available for at least another month, they couldn't possibly be genuine, apart for the multiple variations of the ones provided by Canon Professional Network (CPN) - the source of all these YouTube videos.

For instance, just a minute ago I came across this one (have seen already though on the weekend):

Canon 5D Mk III 1080p Sample with EF Lenses
 
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indeed, every video I've seen from the 5D3 looks soft, even the 1080p curtain flick "straight from the camera" that appeared yesterday and quickly disappeared

I don't know how they managed that, after using a sensor that's exactly 1080p times 3 so downsampling becomes easier

so yes, it has no moire/aliasing, massively improved high ISO, and hopefully a better codec (no all-I samples out yet), but limited to 8-bit 4:2:0 and looking this soft... lots of people seriously rethinking 5D3 for video right now
 
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I so prefer the ergonomics and great photos of a 5d compared to my GH2, but you are correct, all the things I could control by shooting video carefully, even doc style (ie hold the camera very still, very slow pans) are fixed, but the thing I could not improve--video quality--seems no better. And while for youtube who cares but for professional delivery its got to really have the resolution especially for the wide stuff of nature, landscapes, cityscapes. My HDV cameras had more resolution.
 
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NormanBates said:
indeed, every video I've seen from the 5D3 looks soft, even the 1080p curtain flick "straight from the camera" that appeared yesterday and quickly disappeared

I don't know how they managed that, after using a sensor that's exactly 1080p times 3 so downsampling becomes easier

so yes, it has no moire/aliasing, massively improved high ISO, and hopefully a better codec (no all-I samples out yet), but limited to 8-bit 4:2:0 and looking this soft... lots of people seriously rethinking 5D3 for video right now
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What makes you think it is 4:2:0? The bit-rate numbers suggest that it is 4:2:2.
 
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NormanBates said:
indeed, every video I've seen from the 5D3 looks soft...
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It's so hard to tell what you're really going to get out of a camera until you get one in hand and shoot it in your own world. There are clips out there that make the RED Epic look bad, and clips that make a camera phone look good. I'm not going to judge too much unless I can see the original file. Web compression introduces far too many variables.
 
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Well I would like to believe that's the case, it's unclear why Canon has not made arrangements themselves to post video of the highest quality at 1080p, or enabled a shooter to provide it. I am watching and waiting. I have one on pre-order.
 
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Jeff Gibbs said:
Well I would like to believe that's the case, it's unclear why Canon has not made arrangements themselves to post video of the highest quality at 1080p, or enabled a shooter to provide it. I am watching and waiting. I have one on pre-order.
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The issue is and has been bandwidth. Canon has always reduced the resolution of their show and tell images, because they do not have the bandwidth to have thousands of viewers watching a full HD sized video with gigabytes of data. Therefore, it will be compressed.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Jeff Gibbs said:
Well I would like to believe that's the case, it's unclear why Canon has not made arrangements themselves to post video of the highest quality at 1080p, or enabled a shooter to provide it. I am watching and waiting. I have one on pre-order.
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The issue is and has been bandwidth. Canon has always reduced the resolution of their show and tell images, because they do not have the bandwidth to have thousands of viewers watching a full HD sized video with gigabytes of data. Therefore, it will be compressed.
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check dpr for links, but there have been a couple of small, original straight out of cam 1080p videos posted from the 5D3, quicky little tests, nothing much to them though and i don't think either person used NR set to off or Low
 
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Jeff Gibbs said:
Well I would like to believe that's the case, it's unclear why Canon has not made arrangements themselves to post video of the highest quality at 1080p, or enabled a shooter to provide it. I am watching and waiting. I have one on pre-order.
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It is bizarre, but marketing types just seem so paranoid of noise these days they just want to but up ugly, fake looking NR gone wild soft waxy messes these days. Look at the stills samples for the 5D3, most are a total disaster. Not that Canon has ever had good samples, not since the 1Ds2 release I don't think. Bizarre.

The same thing happens with some blu-ray transfers. Far too many blu-ray transfers use too much NR and for some it's just whoa is this a blu-ray or DVD? The kundun blu-ray is so bad for most of the disc that it literally looks like cell shading!!
 
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From all the videos I've seen and with Canon's record towards video, I'm ready to be disappointed again. Every clip I've seen (even the side by sides with the old MK2), it looks like the same up res'd 700 lines of resolution and NOT the 1000 lines that defines True HD. The 5D3 does not look any sharper than the soft 5D2, which is really sad.

For what Canon is charging and how long they've made us wait, they OWE their loyal video customers 2012 video functions that does TRUE HD at 1000 lines.

Either that or come out with the 4K DSLR by NAB. I would hope that the 4K would be true HD. Not really sure what they are trying to protect by releasing a soft 5D3. I work in TV in LA, and I don't know of anyone who has bought a C-300 yet. It's not like they are flying off the shelf because they're so over-priced.

So PLEASE Canon if you are reading this, just give us real HD video. Even the cheapo GH2 has true HD.
 
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gene_can_sing said:
Not really sure what they are trying to protect by releasing a soft 5D3.
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Given that they don't sell anything that would compete with the 5D3 for shooting video at anything near this price, I'd have to say they're trying to protect Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, etc. Or, as Stu pointed out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

For ever person that says "the video inthe 5D3 is underwhelming, I'll just go and buy a C300", you'll find dozens that said "I'll just stick to my current camera" or "I'll just get a D800/FS100/GH2/nex-5n"

The only thing that could save the 5D3 in the video market right now is:
* if the D800 has aliasing/moire issues (which seems to be the case), it will get the "clean video on full frame sensor" niche
* if, as I expect, it can record close to 14 stops of DR with the appropriate picture style (a new custom tailored version of my Flaat_4), it will get the "high DR" niche (not without issues: 8-bit is a little too low for such wide DR)

But those are just niches: it's not looking like it will follow the success of the 5D2.
 
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