Returned my D600. Thinking of a 6D. How do they compare? IQ? DR?

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I really like the lighter feel and the more comfortable grip of the 6D. I returned my D600 due to dust problems... I have been a Canon G series user for YEARS and loved all of them. In film days I used Nikon,,, F2s & F3s.

The D600 was uncomfortable but I lied the DR and IQ.

How do the 6D users here like the camera?

I do fine Art, Street photography and landscapes.
 
Dust problems or oil problems?,

I think it is pretty clear that the sensor in the nikon d600 is better in almost every aspect?
You could compensate by putting better lenses on your to be 6d than you had on your d600?
 
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IQ is going to be similar for any camera at low ISO's and for still or slow moving subjects.. The photographer makes 80% of the difference, the lens makes 19,9 % and whatever is left is due to the choice of body.

For challenging uses, low light, rapidly moving subjects, high DR, then different bodies will have their strong points.
 
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Sorry to hear that you had to return your D600.

There was a great thread by Dustin Abbott on why he chose the 6D over the 5DIII. I made a different choice and went with the 5DIII. So I can't specifically talk about the 6D. I can say the 5DIII IQ is great, more than I need, and from what I've seen the 6D might be minutely better.

Here is the thread:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12847.0

The review over at TDP (my favorite site):
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

Roger Cicala/Lensrentals.com on why he bought the 6D for his personal camera:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/02/roger-buys-a-camera-system-finally

Finally, the flickr 6D group:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/2023253@N24/
 
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hassiman said:
I really like the lighter feel and the more comfortable grip of the 6D. I returned my D600 due to dust problems... I have been a Canon G series user for YEARS and loved all of them. In film days I used Nikon,,, F2s & F3s.

The D600 was uncomfortable but I lied the DR and IQ.

How do the 6D users here like the camera?

I do fine Art, Street photography and landscapes.

high iso is great on the 6D (not that the D600 is bad, they both have about the same SNR but the 6D has 1/2 stop better DR by ISO2500 or so and around 2/3rds plus at ISO 8000 or so)

at low ISO100-400, especially 100-200 the D600 has VASTLY better DR though
 
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Magic Lantern will have 14 stops of DR on it in no time :-P You will find most people like the color rendition of the 6D more than the Nikon, and the High ISO does very well on the canon. Menu systems will make more sence (in my opionion)

I am considering a 6D soon(ish, stupid money) But when I shoot a wedding I am damn near terrified of my 60D having an SD card shizzle the bed. And I would have the same fear using the 6D with it's single card slot.
 
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I'd say go for it. For the work you do I don't think any of the 6d's downfalls will be too much of a detriment. If CanonPriceWatch is correct about that sale, I'd try and snag an old cheap powershot off ebay, and use it for the canon loyalty program. I might be wrong about this but you should be able to use that 20% discount in conjunction with whatever other sale is going on, giving you a ~$1000 6d. If that's the case, I may have to snag one for myself ;)
 
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The DR difference is exaggerated in online forums. If you want to fight in forums, Canon sensors have more shadow pattern noise at 100% on screen. If you want to make normal sized prints, the latest version of ACR lets you recover a great deal of shadow detail. IMHO the ability to recover shadow detail is limited by the tonality of said detail, and both cameras hit that limit at the same time. But that's the difference between someone who makes prints and someone who scrutinizes 100% crops and DxO graphs in forums.

Based on the samples I've seen I would say the 6D looks better at high ISO by a stop.

Other then that it comes down to the photographer.
 
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A friend of mine just came back from a 15-day trip through national parks, carrying his D600. Before the trip, he was so happy his new D600 did not have the oil spot problem. He came back and said once he started clicking away, logging many shots, oil spots started to develop, now with the whole left upper quadrant showing many oil spots, which are present on all these beautiful photo's of national parks :(
 
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dtaylor said:
The DR difference is exaggerated in online forums. If you want to fight in forums, Canon sensors have more shadow pattern noise at 100% on screen. If you want to make normal sized prints, the latest version of ACR lets you recover a great deal of shadow detail. IMHO the ability to recover shadow detail is limited by the tonality of said detail, and both cameras hit that limit at the same time. But that's the difference between someone who makes prints and someone who scrutinizes 100% crops and DxO graphs in forums.

Based on the samples I've seen I would say the 6D looks better at high ISO by a stop.

Other then that it comes down to the photographer.

No they don't hit that tonality at the same time. The Canon, at low ISO only, hits it a good 2 full stops sooner. Funny that is meaningless and yet a 1/2 stop plus at the high-end is a radical advantage.... let's be fair and honest about things, there is no need to insist that the cam you have has to be the single best at every last thing, if it is not at something, it is not.
 
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Any question like this is going to attract lots of heated debate, that will deteriorate into Drivel with lots of quotes and comparisons that the author is absolutely convinced makes perfect sense.

Ultimately you will be able to take good pictures with either camera. If you work with the limitations of either you will be able to take great pictures, if you are capable.

I'm a canon user and very pleased with the equipment I have. But I have no doubts that if I used nikon no one who looked at my images could tell the difference.

The differences are not very significant. Use what you like, and don't listen to the pixel peepers or the people who play top trumps with spec sheets.
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
No they don't hit that tonality at the same time.

Yeah, they pretty much do. Compare shots with lifted shadow detail to shots exposed for the shadow detail. In terms of tone they both start to look like trash vs. the shadow exposed frame at about the same time. Geeks arguing in forums never notice this because they just shove the shadow slider all the way to the right and then cry about pattern noise.

Don't get me wrong. It's amazing what modern sensors and RAW processors can do. But past a certain point you are better off to expose and blend two frames. That point is not strictly determined by noise IMHO, and it's pretty close to the same for the sensors in question.

The Canon, at low ISO only, hits it a good 2 full stops sooner.

I don't see a 2 stop difference even ignoring tone and focusing only on noise. But I'm sure there's a ridiculous DxO graph some where that "proves" me wrong.

Funny that is meaningless and yet a 1/2 stop plus at the high-end is a radical advantage....

Who said that? Oh yeah...nobody.

let's be fair and honest about things, there is no need to insist that the cam you have has to be the single best at every last thing, if it is not at something, it is not.

And who said that? Oh right...nobody.

As I recall I painted the differences as minor and basically said it comes down to the photographer. Yet some how that triggered a defensive "Nikon be best!" rant.
 
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Skulker said:
Any question like this is going to attract lots of heated debate, that will deteriorate into Drivel with lots of quotes and comparisons that the author is absolutely convinced makes perfect sense.

Ultimately you will be able to take good pictures with either camera. If you work with the limitations of either you will be able to take great pictures, if you are capable.

I'm a canon user and very pleased with the equipment I have. But I have no doubts that if I used nikon no one who looked at my images could tell the difference.

The differences are not very significant. Use what you like, and don't listen to the pixel peepers or the people who play top trumps with spec sheets.

Couldn't have said it better.
 
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hassiman said:
I really like the lighter feel and the more comfortable grip of the 6D. I returned my D600 due to dust problems... I have been a Canon G series user for YEARS and loved all of them. In film days I used Nikon,,, F2s & F3s.

The D600 was uncomfortable but I lied the DR and IQ.

How do the 6D users here like the camera?

I do fine Art, Street photography and landscapes.

I currently still have a D600 + a EOS6D + a D800E and a couple of 5DMK2 bodies,which will be replaced by the 5D3 soon.

1 DR at base ISO the D600 wins , but not as significantly different as DXO or many moronic test chart only shooters making it out to be, it is just a stop or a stop and half difference, and not really dramatic.

2 high ISO , the 6D is a stop better , with better DR from ISO 800.

3 video , the 6D is better and it will get ML RAW , so it will be much better , not just a bit better.

4 size and weight , the 6 D is actually quite significantly smaller but not much lighter(I love the 6D +35mm f2IS, and I consider that as an ultimate lowlight kit).

5 battery life , the D600 wins hands down here.

6 the D600 has better dual SD card slots, the 6D has just one slot (this is a big deal if you need a back up slot all the time for wedding)

7 the 6 D can focus in real lowlight rated down to -3 EV, which is really dim , as dark as moon light level , but the D600 tracks moving things a bit better.

8 Wifi is a big thing , you can control the camera remotely while shooting long exposure or any kind of tripod based work.

9 the D600 has crappy pop-up flash and I think that makes it look cheap and actually it does break easily. my D700 had really annoying pop-up flash related issues, and I had to send it in for service 7 times and I finally sold it for the 5D2. the D600 seems even weaker than my D700 or 800E. so I expect it to be quite fragile.

10 IMO, the 6D built better with a bit more comfortable grip, but it is subjective , for me the A99V is the most comfortable camera to shoot with , its grip was as though it had been designed specifically for my right hand.
the 5D3 was the second most comfortable camera to hold and shoot with.


11 AWB is very very different , the Nikon has a bit of Cyan cast in it , while the Canon has a bit of Magenta cast in it.

12 There are almost no zooms that can resolve the 24.3 mp FX sensor well in current Nikon zoom line (maybe the 70-200VR2 and 200-400f4VR2 are fine), so if you are zoom shooter , you are wasting much potential resolving power of the high resolution sensor of the Nikon. I , in fact , recommend Zeiss primes and 70-200mmf2.8VR2 for the Nikon , nothing less than that is really good enough for that sensor. the Nikon 24-70mmf2.8G ED , 16-35mmf4VR , 24-120mmf4VR, the 70-200f4GEDVR are all useless , they were great on 12mp generation bodies but not on the D800E or D600.


So , I think you should go down to a local shop and just try the 6D , 5D3 , A99v ,etc and see which one fits best in your right hand.

They are all good but not perfect or objectively better than the others , so just try them all and decide it for yourself. do not listen to others including me and people here since all of us are biased , even DXO is biased towards Nikon /Pentax ,etc.
Finally, one thing I am sure about by now is 36mp vs 24 is not that big difference in real life use, but usable aperture sweet spot gets much narrower with the 36mp sensor due to diffraction effect.
In order to get best out of it , we really need focus stacking and stitching in PS all the time ,so unless going at least 48mp or a bit more , it is meaningless to up the resolution from 20mp -24mp range, you will need to stitch or focus stack anyway(as you want to get best out of it).
 
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Tried both and ended up with 5D3 instead. I think neither brand maker or specific model matters that much. So you gotta choose whatever is most comfortable to you. It's your money. The only thing I regret is waiting too long with my purchase missing a lot of good pictures in the meantime. Good luck with your new camera.
 
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MLfan3 said:
I currently still have a D600 + a EOS6D + a D800E and a couple of 5DMK2 bodies,which will be replaced by the 5D3 soon.

1 DR at base ISO the D600 wins , but not as significantly different as DXO or many moronic test chart only shooters making it out to be, it is just a stop or a stop and half difference, and not really dramatic.

2 high ISO , the 6D is a stop better , with better DR from ISO 800.

3 video , the 6D is better and it will get ML RAW , so it will be much better , not just a bit better.

4 size and weight , the 6 D is actually quite significantly smaller but not much lighter(I love the 6D +35mm f2IS, and I consider that as an ultimate lowlight kit).

5 battery life , the D600 wins hands down here.

6 the D600 has better dual SD card slots, the 6D has just one slot (this is a big deal if you need a back up slot all the time for wedding)

7 the 6 D can focus in real lowlight rated down to -3 EV, which is really dim , as dark as moon light level , but the D600 tracks moving things a bit better.

8 Wifi is a big thing , you can control the camera remotely while shooting long exposure or any kind of tripod based work.

9 the D600 has crappy pop-up flash and I think that makes it look cheap and actually it does break easily. my D700 had really annoying pop-up flash related issues, and I had to send it in for service 7 times and I finally sold it for the 5D2. the D600 seems even weaker than my D700 or 800E. so I expect it to be quite fragile.

10 IMO, the 6D built better with a bit more comfortable grip, but it is subjective , for me the A99V is the most comfortable camera to shoot with , its grip was as though it had been designed specifically for my right hand.
the 5D3 was the second most comfortable camera to hold and shoot with.


11 AWB is very very different , the Nikon has a bit of Cyan cast in it , while the Canon has a bit of Magenta cast in it.

12 There are almost no zooms that can resolve the 24.3 mp FX sensor well in current Nikon zoom line (maybe the 70-200VR2 and 200-400f4VR2 are fine), so if you are zoom shooter , you are wasting much potential resolving power of the high resolution sensor of the Nikon. I , in fact , recommend Zeiss primes and 70-200mmf2.8VR2 for the Nikon , nothing less than that is really good enough for that sensor. the Nikon 24-70mmf2.8G ED , 16-35mmf4VR , 24-120mmf4VR, the 70-200f4GEDVR are all useless , they were great on 12mp generation bodies but not on the D800E or D600.

This is probably the most balanced, real-world comparison I've seen between these cameras/systems. Well done.

I have a 6D and concur with your observations on AWB (slightly magenta-biased), noise and DR.
 
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