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[DonS]

Site takes forever to load!!

 

[Mitch.Conner]

So funny and so sad...

http://www.canonwatch.com/little-bit-canon-see-impossible-humor/

Sums it up well.

 

[unfocused]

The term DRone, which was originally meant as a joke, has become an excessively derogatory term used explicitly for insult of anyone who isn't satisfied with Canon's status quo.

Sorry, but no. Many people have expressed dissatisfaction with aspects of Canon's technology or (in)actions without issue. It's not the what, it's the how.

It's possible to discuss the issues with Canon technology

Of course it is. But regarding DR, it's been done. To death. Beyond death. Yet it gets brought up...again and again. A household scene shot with Canon and Exmor, then pushed several stops in post? Your living room...no different than Mikael's garage. It's been done.

Have you given any thought to why it keeps being brought up?
Or how you might contribute to why it keeps being brought up?

particularly those in the anti-DR crowd

Anti-DR crowd? I don't think there is one. There is general acknowledgement that more DR would be good to have. However, there are many people who are annoyed by DRoning. As I said...it's not the what, it's the how.

I'm a part of a number of online communities...this one is becoming one of the worst

Not from what I see. There are lots of threads where people with questions get them answered quickly and accurately. There are lots of threads where people post wonderful images. There are a few threads where people argue about Canon sensors – you can choose to participate in them...or not.

As can you choose how to behave or choose not to behave. When adults start misbehaving and throwing around insults, the community does not become better for it.

I get very nervous when Dilbert becomes the most reasonable person on the forum.

Seriously, I think a problem that needs to be acknowledged is that there simply is very little to talk about these days.

DSLR technology has matured, meaning the pace of change has inevitably slowed. There may or may not be fewer new release announcements, but what is certainly true is that the differences from model to model have become much more incremental across all brands.

That's typical with any technology, but it creates problems for a site that feeds on rumors and discussions of recent, new and anticipated releases.

No one who is honest can deny that the scope of the differences between low-end products and high-end products has narrowed significantly in the past few years. Even going to the extremes, the Apple iPhone and the 1DX are much closer today than they were five years ago. And, that compression has occurred across the range.

As the differences shrink the arguments seem to become more intense. It's the old rule that the less you have to argue over, the more bitter the arguments become.

Perhaps what we are watching is the death of a forum that no longer serves much purpose because the world has changed in the past five years.

I don't know the answer and in fact, I'm not even sure of the question, but I wonder if it will be necessary and possible for forum members to embrace the change, devise some new course that is "disruptive" and breathe new life into what seems to be a slowly and painfully dying experiment.

 

[Maximilian]

Perhaps what we are watching is the death of a forum that no longer serves much purpose because the world has changed in the past five years.

It might only come to death, if people get bored to death by topics discussed to death over and over again.
We here cannot change the plans and the thinking of Canons marketing and development departments. Maybe we can have some very little influence, but that’s it.

But we can share the knowledge and passion for our hobby/work/interest/passion called photography - and this although this forum is named CanonRumors.

It's more than just rumors, tech talk and Canon bashing, that gathers people here.
That's one of the reasons why I decided to join here after staying away from forums for more than ten years.

And if more threads about our questions, knowledge, etc. would be discussed with the same passion, energy and eager as all those sensor, DR and “Canon is behind” threads, you and we all wouldn’t have that kind of fear for death of CanonRumors.

So find new topics, answer the questions and share your knowledge and you’ll see what happens.

 

[unfocused]

...And if more threads about our questions, knowledge, etc. would be discussed with the same passion, energy and eager as all those sensor, DR and “Canon is behind” threads, you and we all wouldn’t have that kind of fear for death of CanonRumors.

So find new topics, answer the questions and share your knowledge and you’ll see what happens.

Well put. My knowledge is limited, but I will try to share what I have.

As an aside, that's one reason why I am always willing to cut Neuro some slack. He may be a prickly character, but he has the disposable income and inclination to buy and try a lot of products and share his experiences. I appreciate that.

 

[Don Haines]

So funny and so sad...

http://www.canonwatch.com/little-bit-canon-see-impossible-humor/

Love it!!

I think I'm going to print it out and post it to the head of Canon! Or maybe the head of their digital camera division! Or both! Hmm, need to get some addresses to write too! wooo wooo!

+1

It is never a good idea to come up with an advertising campaign that is so easy to poke fun at....

 

[xps]

This one is good, too

http://www.canonwatch.com/humor-alternative-approach-speed-dating/

;D

 

[fragilesi]

For everyone who says they are sick and tired of the DR discussions. Don Haines started a poll a couple weeks back, and the voting on that poll indicated people wanted DR discussions to stay in DR-related threads. To that end, I tried to start a thread specifically for the purposes of discussing DR. What happened? YOU GUYS came in and did the same thing you do everywhere else...in your standard spiteful way, you insulted, belittled, and started another war.

You know, I think there's a strong case for just shutting the forum down for a few weeks, make people cool off and just get back to normal life for a bit. There is no "war" here, there's just heated debate. And it's a fact of Internet life unfortunately that people like to put childish labels on the other side. DRones is one of the better ones I've heard but it is just a childish name and in most ways no better than the utterly cringeworthy "fanboy" comments that you see in return.

Both sides have been disrespectful, both sides have made good points and both have made silly points that don't stack up.

Me, I'm happy because I believe that for my skill level, budget and type of photography my Canon equipment does as well for me as any other brand would across the whole piece. There are others for whom the equation might not stack up so well and they should make their own decisions.

Jrista, I thought the balance in some of your posts about the Sony Alpha was some of the best debate about this subject because you discussed the pluses and the minuses of moving to that brand. It showed that even if Canon is behind in DR it's ahead in other areas. That's the kind of discussion I certainly enjoy. It's the "Canon's sensors are crap (they aren't just not as good) so Canon are miles behind (they aren't)" comments that do my head in.

But honestly, the number of people trying to claim some kind of persecuted or victim status on both sides ought to tell them that both sides are as good or bad as each other. There will be no winners here.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Stop insulting people. Literally ignore the people your sick and tired of hearing using the forum feature. ...... Unless, of course, it's about putting people in their place, proving that your right and they are wrong. Unless, of course, it's about controlling the kind of discussion that goes on on these forums, suppressing dissenting ideas and opinions.

I agree with the first part and sadly recognize the reality of the last part.

No one ever wins an argument on the Internets Tubes.. But many lose one.

But who are we kidding, they will never change. It is how they get their jollies.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi folks.
First I'd really like a button on this thread to permanently mark it read so the new button doesn't bug me, yes I lack the willpower not to prod it! ;D
Second it occurs to me that all the people whining about DR here are in the wrong place, send your messages and threats to buy equipment other than Canon to the Canon customer relations department, better still, send them a copy of your sold Canon inventory and a copy of the receipt for your new (brand x here) camera, see if they care!

Cheers, Graham.

 

[TeT]

For everyone who says they are sick and tired of the DR discussions. Don Haines started a poll a couple weeks back, and the voting on that poll indicated people wanted DR discussions to stay in DR-related threads. To that end, I tried to start a thread specifically for the purposes of discussing DR. What happened? YOU GUYS came in and did the same thing you do everywhere else...in your standard spiteful way, you insulted, belittled, and started another war.

I've personally tried to stay out of DR debates in non-DR threads since. I've tried to keep DR discussions to DR threads. I've offered that if you guys are really, truly sick and tired of the "DRones", as you've insultingly named us, you could just use the form Ignore feature and be done with us. I mean, it's really that simple.

I don't believe it when you guys say your tired of the DR debate. It has nothing to do with being tired of it, and everything to do with being right. It's about controlling the discussions on this forum. It's about suppressing opinions you guys disagree with. Some random passers by might drop into a new canon product thread and whine, but you could simply ignore that instead of pouncing on them every single time. When people like myself, LTRLI, Aglet, and a good number of other people on these forums say something about DR, it's rarely a purposely, personally derogatory comment (and usually never related to people at all, it's usually just related to the technology) until one of you guys comes along and finds some way of insulting them, either directly or underhandedly with some crass "joke." It's after that that everyone gets into a fight.

You guys want the DR war to end? END IT. Stop picking fights. Stop insulting people. Literally ignore the people your sick and tired of hearing using the forum feature. You could ignore everyone you think is just a "DRone", and you would never have to hear the DR debate again. Unless, of course, it's really not about that. Unless, of course, it's about putting people in their place, proving that your right and they are wrong. Unless, of course, it's about controlling the kind of discussion that goes on on these forums, suppressing dissenting ideas and opinions.

I've tried. I've tried to stay out of the big debates. I started my own thread for the DR discussion, as the community asked, and you guys just couldn't leave it alone. You didn't have to read it, you didn't have to participate. Yet you did. You just couldn't let us have our own thread to discuss the DR issue. That's what disgusts me. It's not about being sick and tired of the DR debate...you guys are an integral part of that debate...if you were truly sick of it, you would have extracted yourselves from it a LONG time ago. Until you do, nothing around here is going to change. I'm not going to stop discussing DR. I'll try to discuss it in the appropriate places, but I'm not going to stop. My opinion, and the opinions of many others, differ from yours. I'm not going to have my right, nor the rights of others, to voice our opinions crushed by a bunch of thugs on a forum.

IF YOUR TIRED OF THE DR ISSUE, IGNORE (via the forum feature) THE PEOPLE WHO BRING IT UP! Until you guys do that, you guys are the perpetrators of the DR war. Until you guys do that, your just proving that it's not about being sick and tired of the DR debate, it's about being right, controlling discussions and oppressing opinions.

Dude, take it to the DR thread... (funnier in my head than on paper)

from what I noted in your thread; it wasn't so much you and yours that was catching the flak, although it was your thread so some of it got flicked at you also...

Regardless all the result is the same; All threads not asking for pictures of kittens and puppies will be jacked after the first three to ten responses....

 

[Maximilian]

IF YOUR TIRED OF THE DR ISSUE, IGNORE (via the forum feature) THE PEOPLE WHO BRING IT UP! Until you guys do that, you guys are the perpetrators of the DR war. Until you guys do that, your just proving that it's not about being sick and tired of the DR debate, it's about being right, controlling discussions and oppressing opinions.

Hi jrista!
Hi to all the others!

First of all, I don't feel addressed, when you talk of "YOU GUYS" that are in a "DRone war" (Really hard words! But true, if you feel so.) and I personally have never called anyone a "DRone".
I am - I was - a spectator of this discussion until some days ago, when I decided to share my opinion on this endless debate. I am on both sides , because I think, that both are right and nobody's wrong.

Second, IMHO ignoring anybody is the wrong way and absolutely stupid.
Accepting, that everything is said, every argument is put into the balance scale, and the other side cannot be convinced and to part in peace is wise.

Third, I don't want to ignore you or anyone else of the people that say "we want more DR" as well as the ones, that say "more would be nice, but I can live with what I have".
Because all of you have passion and you have a lot of intelligent and helpful things to say. On other threads on other topics i really like to follow what you have to say and to weigh what's important for me and what not. And I try to share, what I know and can do.

The problem right now is, that both sides feel offended because both have tried to tell the other, that they will not be convinced but then both repeat their arguments in a more and more aggressive way. And that's bad and sad.

Maybe both sides must stop now, maybe apologize, if that's possible, be quiet for a while about this topic.

Maybe some other solution is right.
It would be worst, if any of all of you would resign and turn away.
And this is something, a lot here try to avoid. Me, too.

 

[mskrystalmeth]

I received a Letter from the President of Canon...Mr. Akizero

Dear Canon Fan Boys:

Here at Canon, once again we have Fail! We never listen, or even pretend to listen to our Canon Fan Boys. We all know we Still Build Our Cameras with 2003 Tecknology. But, Please Canon Fan Boys...Don't tell the world We at Canon Admitted that fact. We, at Canon truly gave up. Our best Camera is not our own....it is that small Sony camera with the excellent Sony Sensor. I wouldn't blame any Canon Fan Boy...if you all went over to Nikon...THERE...they make excellent Full Frame Cameras that constantly beat our own Products. The D610, D750, D800/E, and the ever Wonderful D810.

Our Latest Ad Campaign, proves to all of the world...We don't get it, And IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.. and We at Canon do not listen. We even Fail, with our latest addition, Canon 7d mark 2. I wanted to place a 24mp Sony sensor in it, but we had 20,000 sensors from the 70d just laying around...so we placed those into the 7d and said new and improved, because at Canon we make our own lousy sensors.

Thanks for being our Canon Fan Boys. One day, maybe in 2020 or so...We will bring out a high mp camera...we are developing a 22.8mp sensor as we speak for the new and improved video camera that sometimes take low quality pictures 5d mark 4.

Thank you Canon Fan Boys.

Mr. Akizero

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I just love how when something doesn't turn out all roses for Canon, people turn to the obvious scapegoats: "Oh, it's just paid off competitor employees making all the comments." "Oh, you represent a tiny fraction of the Canon customer base." "Oh, votes are completely irrelevant and don't represent anything."

One person on another forum is going so far as to say that Canon has never crippled AutoISO and that it's a very advanced feature and that even though they left EC out of it on the 6D and crippled the maximum minimum shutter speed for Av mode that it's perfect and that nobody should expect some magically perfect AutoISO.

Never mind that it's a 10 cent feature that takes like 10 lines of code and that a single ML side hacker re-wrote the entire AutoISO module, without any documentation, in just a short time and that other brands have fully functional AutoISO in even low end DSLRs for years.

But the guy insists that Canon has never crippled the feature and that only people who want some miracle version perfected to their standards could make such a claim. :

Wow, that's a thoroughly re-invented and misrepresented version of what was written in that other forum! It would take too long to correct all of your misstatements there.

actually it's not

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

My disgust has nothing to do with the fact that many people are happy with Canon's technology. You damn well know that.

My disgust has to do with the way this community regularly attacks and degrades and insults those who are NOT happy with Canon technology. It isn't just me (or even mostly me). The term DRone, which was originally meant as a joke, has become an excessively derogatory term used explicitly for insult of anyone who isn't satisfied with Canon's status quo.

THAT is what disgusts me. It's also the reason I don't hang out here much. The distasteful use of DRone as a purposefully derogatory and insulting stereo type has greatly darkened the mood around here. It's THAT which has turned every thread into something nasty, turned everything here into a war. It's possible to discuss the issues with Canon technology without it becoming something hateful, but no one chooses to, particularly those in the anti-DR crowd who repeatedly reduce themselves to the level of flinging insult (something I have not seen even remotely as often with the pro-DR crowd.) That's what disgusts me about this community. Some people believe there are legitimate issues and legitimate complaints about Canon technology, and they (including myself) are repeatedly lambasted for their opinion in an extremely spiteful, derogatory, insulting and sometimes down right hateful manner.

I used the term DRone in an insulting manner on one occasion: With Mikael. Ever since that incident (which nearly got a considerable number of members on this forum banned), I have not used it (at least not for the insulting and derogatory purposes you guys use it for day in and day out.) This constant insulting attitude you guys take on (oh right...all in good fun and humor, right? WRONG.) is what has reduced this community to constant warfare over something that ultimately boils down to OPINION. Some people have the opinion that Canon technology is not the best for their needs, needs to be updated, and are very frustrated at Canon's lack of action on that front. Other people are of the opinion that Canon technology is fine for their needs, and nothing needs to change. OPINIONS!! When the hell did opinions become reason to beat each other up on an internet forum day in and day out over? Disgusting. The whole entire situation is just disgusting.

+1

 

[Peerke]

Does every topic on this forum has to be infected with the DR discussion? If it was religion, we had a nuclear war right now. Stop this useless discussion everywhere on every topic please. :'(

 

[Tugela]

So funny and so sad...

http://www.canonwatch.com/little-bit-canon-see-impossible-humor/

Sums it up well.

Pretty much, ya.

 

[Maximilian]

To be clear. I'm not offended because someone doesn't believe the same thing I do. I'm offended because of the offensive things being said on these forums
...
and I argue hard for my point of view...but I generally try to avoid insulting people.

Reading this part of your response, it seems to me I can feel and understand what you're trying to say.
Insulting soneone - anyone - is not good, but too easy on forums.

I hope, the people you wanted to address also read this and think about it.
And hoefully act more polite in the future.

Maybe to get a different angle:
I sometimes got the feeling, that some words, some sentences from them were the last way, the last argument to repeat, what they though to have said before: "Man! Now it's good, now it's enough. Now please stop! Because having the last word doesen't mean you're right or wrong."
Maybe I'm wrong with this and maybe it's worse and more like you see it.
Then I am with you, that they must stop themselves.

 

[unfocused]

Does every topic on this forum has to be infected with the DR discussion? If it was religion, we had a nuclear war right now. Stop this useless discussion everywhere on every topic please. :'(

Although I am sorely tempted to continue the discussion, I have to agree, it won't add anything to what has already been said. I'm going to do my best to abide by this simple request and hope others will as well.

 

[dstppy]

Sony DOES have an excellent track record of bringing top-of-the-line technologies to market in a timely fashion, at a good price, without bugs or glitches, so at least you've got that going for you. : They've become mainstream in every technology they ever were ahead at . . . they're the number one name in TVs, Portable Music Players, Laptops, and, oh yeah, cameras.

Sony also has a history of putting out a lot of proprietary crap in their products that they won't license in the vain hope that people will be trapped into buying Sony branded consumables forever and ever, which led to the doom of Betamax, the Super Audio CD and pretty much anything that needed a Memory Stick, among others.

I agree . . . I guess the sarcasm was TOO complete.

;D

What I was saying is that Sony had all of those markets to milk and managed to fark up a lunch that was already paid for. Apple and Samsung have taken over all of the markets they were ahead in.

As for sony and cameras (a joke, really), they were ahead early on, but their classic management style of trying to treat/protect themselves as a premium brand and not sell to the masses . . . and not getting enough market share to gain traction has them right where they are.