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[KeithBreazeal]

So, you want you cake and eat it too? Here's your frosting topped cupcake...

There is a lot that enters in to market share. The Canon crystal ball folks know the world economy sucks and is getting worse.(it's a world economic debt thing) The corporate strategy bends with the consumer's ability to buy product. Right now the average "prosumer" in the middle class can't afford $$$$$ gear and still pay the bills. Big white lenses are mega-bucks and getting out of the reach of me and most of my photog buddies. Others lens makers are making some really good lenses at a reasonable price. I'm sure Canon is sweating this a bit and already dropping some of their lens prices. Many of my fellow photog friends are now going the rental route because of the economy.
If Canon is smart, they should consider starting a lease/lease to own division.(are you listening Canon?)
Polish your skills with your present gear and buy software that polishes your work. All the bitching and moaning is a waste of your precious time left on this planet. It's also a waste of server space and bandwidth.
"Impossible" is a "feel good" campaign to encourage your growth. Go out and grow.

 

[brad-man]

Sony DOES have an excellent track record of bringing top-of-the-line technologies to market in a timely fashion, at a good price, without bugs or glitches, so at least you've got that going for you. : They've become mainstream in every technology they ever were ahead at . . . they're the number one name in TVs, Portable Music Players, Laptops, and, oh yeah, cameras.

Sony also has a history of putting out a lot of proprietary crap in their products that they won't license in the vain hope that people will be trapped into buying Sony branded consumables forever and ever, which led to the doom of Betamax, the Super Audio CD and pretty much anything that needed a Memory Stick, among others.

OK pal. Now you've crossed the line. Say what you want about BetaMax, Memory Sticks and I'll even give you MiniDiscs, but don't you dare badmouth MY SACDs (at least not until those recordings are available on blu-ray pure audio)

 

[xps]

... seeimpossiblegate....

Sony DOES have an excellent track record of bringing top-of-the-line technologies to market in a timely fashion, at a good price, without bugs or glitches, so at least you've got that going for you. : They've become mainstream in every technology they ever were ahead at . . . they're the number one name in TVs, Portable Music Players, Laptops, and, oh yeah, cameras.

Sony also has a history of putting out a lot of proprietary crap in their products that they won't license in the vain hope that people will be trapped into buying Sony branded consumables forever and ever, which led to the doom of Betamax, the Super Audio CD and pretty much anything that needed a Memory Stick, among others.

OK pal. Now you've crossed the line. Say what you want about BetaMax, Memory Sticks and I'll even give you MiniDiscs, but don't you dare badmouth MY SACDs (at least not until those recordings are available on blu-ray pure audio)

As some of you see the difference between very good and excellent pictures, others hear the difference between CD and SACD. And there is an difference. A big one. So, in this point, Mr. brad-man, your posting is +1.
I own an McIntosh MCD player. And beleive me, you can hear the difference.
Not everything an non Canon brand has developed is an bad developement

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There is no reason of not wanting Canon to improve. I'm quite confident that that's all we want here. The problem with some people (so-called DRones) is that they claim Canon sensors "crap, vastly inferior, incapable or good only for FB" and so on and so forth. Also those, who push files up to 5-6 stops, expecting noise clean files and near-black shadow details in such pushes.

Even neuro, who is a strong advocate of Canon sensors, admits that Sony sensors are better. But the advantage is only in certain scenarios and it's not night-and-day or revolutionary as some like to claim. There lies the root of the problem with "DRones" - they simply, almost fanatically, praise Sony sensors, mindlessly bashing Canon sensors and generally claiming that Canon users are stupid and incapable of taking a good photo. That's the real problem.

...

And at least the 'DRoners' are pushing to get things improved for everyone.
...

How exactly? Writing all over CR forums? That's not going to make any difference. If they devoted the same time sending complaints and reports to Canon HQ, then maybe, but thinking that anyone really important from Canon is reading such threads is quite silly actually.

And for the record, BOTH sides from this DR conflict happened to be mean, disrespectful and arrogant to the other one, don't make it sound that only "antiDR crowd" is acting aggresively...

At least I haven't seen the cares about DR side calling the other side pathetic lab dweebs who shoot lenscaps all day long, morons, incompetent photographers who can't do anything but underexpose all shots by 10 stops, trolls (even though most have used Canon for longer than many who call them trolls), techno freaks, and so on. The worst that the others ever get called is fanboy. And if some of the want more DR side have gotten mean, maybe they have been sick of being called names and all the personal insults for years and are fighting back a bit (the ones who haven't been driven away from posting at all).

 

[RobD]

Everyone relax! There's 2 more videos to come, which are currently set to "private".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtS39XS513I&index=1&list=PLp-znpQge8Hz70YOgWmKVrmrrodRC4gyu

I'm already excited.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Look at the beating they are getting on the youtube page, it's 5:1 thumbs down to thumbs up at least and I didn't notice a single positive comment while quickly scrolling through. It may still be a minority in the real world, but it's a lot more than 6 ;D.

Combined total for the two videos: Sixty-two comments, 255 thumbs down out of 14,794 total views. That's 1.7% thumbs down. Quite a beating. I just don't know how Canon will survive that.

That's kind of playing political tricks there taking thumbs down as percentage of views and not votes.
One video has 120 thumbs down out of 134 votes or 90% negative votes. And the other has 286 out of 324 or 88% thumbs down.

Granted people who are upset do tend to vote more than those who are happy. It's hardly a scientific poll in any regard at all, true enough though.

But you have to admit not a lot of youtube videos get 88% and 90% thumbs down ratings.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Everyone relax! There's 2 more videos to come, which are currently set to "private".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtS39XS513I&index=1&list=PLp-znpQge8Hz70YOgWmKVrmrrodRC4gyu

I'm already excited.

They wouldn't even be bad videos if only they hadn't followed a lame interview with Canon and crippling the video quality and usability features in their DSLRs all that jazz and come after a giant two page spread and dramatic countdown.

Granted, after the Canon interview and considering the USA centricness of it all, something amazing wasn't realistic, but expectations get risen regardless.

 

[xps]

A lot of hot air. Maybe a test of the advertisement division. Localised in the USA only. To limit the harm, if it is bashed.
My god, what a shame.... 8)

 

[unfocused]

They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Look at the beating they are getting on the youtube page, it's 5:1 thumbs down to thumbs up at least and I didn't notice a single positive comment while quickly scrolling through. It may still be a minority in the real world, but it's a lot more than 6 ;D.

Combined total for the two videos: Sixty-two comments, 255 thumbs down out of 14,794 total views. That's 1.7% thumbs down. Quite a beating. I just don't know how Canon will survive that.

That's kind of playing political tricks there taking thumbs down as percentage of views and not votes.
One video has 120 thumbs down out of 134 votes or 90% negative votes. And the other has 286 out of 324 or 88% thumbs down.

Granted people who are upset do tend to vote more than those who are happy. It's hardly a scientific poll in any regard at all, true enough though.

But you have to admit not a lot of youtube videos get 88% and 90% thumbs down ratings.

You can have all the "thumbs down." It's still a tiny fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of the customer base. Let's get back to the original point: when someone writes "everybody" is complaining, they are just plain making crap up and that's what I object to.

 

[unfocused]

...however the youtube comments, well, are...

Oh give me a break! You really can't think that "youtube" comments are representative of anything other than the opinions of the handful of individuals who comment – who, for that matter, could very well be Sony employees for all you know.

...but look at the reaction to this really TERRIBLE ad campaign...it comes off as arrogant and out of touch.

Okay, so now, in addition to being the world expert on low ISO shadow noise, you are also an expert in advertising campaigns? Did Canon share their focus group results with you or are you once again assuming your opinion is more valid than Canon's market research?

 

[AvTvM]

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

 

[zlatko]

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

And speaking of the "feel in the air around here these days". That about sums it up.

 

[Loswr]

At least I haven't seen the cares about DR side calling the other side .....

'Cares about DR side'? I would think that's almost everyone. I certainly care about DR. The issue is not and has never been caring about DR. The issue is when 'I want more DR' becomes 'Canon sensors have less low ISO DR, therefore Canon cameras deliver poor IQ' or just plain 'Canon sensors suck'.

If you don't understand the difference between 'Canon sensors don't meet my needs' and 'Canon sensors suck', I suspect you've matriculated at Dilbert's School of Reading Incomprehension. If you can't see why the latter statement provokes the reactions that it does on a Canon-based gear forum, you need some remedial social education.


EDIT: adding a special shout out to AvTvM for making my point:

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

 

[jrista]

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

Wow...civility just isn't a thing anymore around here... *sigh*

Later peeps. I came, I saw "impossible", I'm annoyed, goodbye.

 

[AvTvM]

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

And speaking of the "feel in the air around here these days". That about sums it up.

Lol. I'd rather be a digital rebel ;-) than being unfocused or on canon's payroll. Must feel really shirty right now.

More light! More DR, Sire!

 

[noisejammer]

Oh give me a break! You really can't think that "youtube" comments are representative of anything other than the opinions of the handful of individuals who comment – who, for that matter, could very well be Sony employees for all you know.

At least one of the comments did not come from a Sony employee.
In any case, why would Sony employees see value in getting Canon to make better products?

 

[zlatko]

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

And speaking of the "feel in the air around here these days". That about sums it up.

Lol. I'd rather be a digital rebel ;-) than being unfocused or on canon's payroll. Must feel really shirty right now.

More light! More DR, Sire!

Sorry, no idea what you're saying!

 

[unfocused]

I am drone and proud.

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

And speaking of the "feel in the air around here these days". That about sums it up.

Lol. I'd rather be a digital rebel ;-) than being unfocused or on canon's payroll. Must feel really shirty right now.

More light! More DR, Sire!

Sorry, no idea what you're saying!

Me neither. I'm not even sure how someone feels "shirty."

 

[Zv]

I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

 

[unfocused]

Ah, there's that wonderful CR hostility. Just love the feel in the air around here these days. This is such a wonderful community. : ...

...Well, anyway. Good to see all that hostility is still there. Man, I really just love this community. So open and welcoming. ???

Ah yes, there's that "poor pitiful me" self-pity starting to surface. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually appreciate Dilbert because he's at least willing to engage in the debate without playing the victim.