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I don't think Canon will come out a camera that will take a long time to save a few images to the average speed card... high speed, high capacity card is still very expensive.
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I dont think that's a real problem. 8GB of Ram is cheap as nuts and even internal flash mem with 16 or GB is nothing to be concerned about. Those amounts should hold dozens of pictures for a while and a recent UDMA Card can write them away... so after a few seconds of fire the content should be written.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Sony A7R with Canon lens adapter.

LOL. Try that out and let us know how it goes.

I did for the past couple of months and the Sony is now gone.

It's not ideal, but it's better for landscapes than 5D3 or 6D. A bit of a pain to use from all reports, but the results are better.

 

[Loswr]

They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Second, six people don't make that much threads about DR and so on. For six people, the word DRones would never have been invented.

As the person who originated the moniker 'DRone', I can assure it was coined based on around six people...maybe less. In fact, the number hasn't really changed much, only the individuals (and in some cases, only the forum accounts).

I have to say that it is pretty short sighted , not to say infantile , to call out people for wanting canon to improve their cameras, sure there may be 6 people , well it could even be only one, but those people are actually those that really like the brand, the other people that also care about DR and general IQ, just sold their canon (like I did) and bought a better camera.

Canon used to be great and promising, however it seems that they just gave up. It is pretty hard to recommend anyone to buy a canon these days. They really need to start to catch up, at the current pace I can even see Samsung getting ahead of them in the near future.

There's a difference between wanting more DR and saying so, vs. hijacking thread after thread with the same arguments and contrived examples. The former is a sincere desire for change, the latter is...DRoning. Pity you apparently can't understand the difference. In a recent example, in a thread on the color temperature of Canon rear LCDs, we were treated to underexposed Diet Coke box images to show the 'poor IQ of Canon sensors.' Sincere desire for Canon to improve?? No...DRoning.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There is no reason of not wanting Canon to improve. I'm quite confident that that's all we want here. The problem with some people (so-called DRones) is that they claim Canon sensors "crap, vastly inferior, incapable or good only for FB" and so on and so forth. Also those, who push files up to 5-6 stops, expecting noise clean files and near-black shadow details in such pushes.

Even neuro, who is a strong advocate of Canon sensors, admits that Sony sensors are better. But the advantage is only in certain scenarios and it's not night-and-day or revolutionary as some like to claim. There lies the root of the problem with "DRones" - they simply, almost fanatically, praise Sony sensors, mindlessly bashing Canon sensors and generally claiming that Canon users are stupid and incapable of taking a good photo. That's the real problem.

Far from it. Most of us say that you can take a billion photos where the DR at low ISO won't make a difference.

It's the other side, the fanboys, who insist that there are not also many scenarios where more DR could help a lot. They constantly mock and belittle and say stuff like only lab nerds who shoot lens caps could ever notice the difference in any scenario or only morons who have no clue how to set an exposure or post process ever have any issue with DR.

I've not once seen any of those asking for more DR say that the users who don't care are stupid or can't take good photos. But I have seen tons of those who don't care, trash those who do care and call them incompetent or stupid or lab geeks and so on and so forth. And all the insults and BS is what tends to make the threads drone on even more than the 'DRoners', if anything.

And at least the 'DRoners' are pushing to get things improved for everyone. And it's not like we post in photo critique or photo posting threads and yet some of the fanboy crowd will come into threads even specifically titled "tech talk about sensors" and then trash and mock people for talking about tech and call them out as incompetent lab nerds who have never actually taken a photo in their life or other such BS.

When his back is utterly pushed to the wall he admits the Sony sensor is better, but then he quickly goes back to obfuscations and personal insults and straw men and so on and some of his buddies outright again and again say that DxO is BS and the difference is barely there and one even says the lower DR even makes the Canon sensor much better and then he constantly pretends that nobody says stuff like that.

 

[jeffa4444]

NEW ROADMAP: Canon/Nikon merger!

Well, I haven't read all 9 million posts on this forum, but here's my take:

Canon's tremendous potential to come up with something really amazing (as in the past) has devolved over the last couple of years into myopic, arrogant decisions that have stifled their genius. We all know this, and it's painful. Nikon show real promise but from what I can discern, they don't have the resources to fully unleash their potential in a way that allows them to keep up with Sony and Panasonic.

Here's my "roadmap" for these two companies:

1. Canon and Nikon merge.

2. All top execs at Canon broomed. (Any deadwood at Nikon, they're gone too.)

3. Keep the best glass, ergonomics and color science people from both companies.

4. Reach out to respected, knowledgeable, insightful creatives in the real world (Phillip Bloom and Den Lennie types) and listen very, very carefully.

5. Get a turnaround specialist with the creative passion we all share to lead this new beast, and then unleash the Canon/Nikon engineers and visionaries to create the kinds of products Canon's capable of conjuring up (but hasn't due to bad leadership) and which Nikon's capable of (but hasn't been able to due to limited resources or whatever).

Keep both brand identities, or forge a new one, I don't care—but DO IT! This would create a juggernaut that would keep Sony and Panasonic up at night. We'd all win!

(Yes, it's a ridiculous long shot, there are all kinds of reasons why it WON'T work, or doesn't make sense, but... I can dream, can't I?)

Canon is not in financial trouble so doesnt need a turnaround specialist.
Too many people are over reacting to a piece of marketing that they dont like get over it. The point has already been made the majority of Canon customers like the other camera companies buy the camera with a kit lens and thats it. Crop DSLRs are 64% of the interchangable camera market, CSC are 29% and full-frame DSLRs just 7% (data taken from GfK World Imaging Market Factbook 2014 giving 2013 / 2014 comparisons). In terms of digital cameras in total crop DSLRs are 18%, CSC 8% and Full Frame DSLR around 1.5% so its hardly surprising Canon is not rushing out a full-frame 45MP camera.

 

[jeffa4444]

There is no reason of not wanting Canon to improve. I'm quite confident that that's all we want here. The problem with some people (so-called DRones) is that they claim Canon sensors "crap, vastly inferior, incapable or good only for FB" and so on and so forth. Also those, who push files up to 5-6 stops, expecting noise clean files and near-black shadow details in such pushes.

Even neuro, who is a strong advocate of Canon sensors, admits that Sony sensors are better. But the advantage is only in certain scenarios and it's not night-and-day or revolutionary as some like to claim. There lies the root of the problem with "DRones" - they simply, almost fanatically, praise Sony sensors, mindlessly bashing Canon sensors and generally claiming that Canon users are stupid and incapable of taking a good photo. That's the real problem.

Far from it. Most of us say that you can take a billion photos where the DR at low ISO won't make a difference.

It's the other side, the fanboys, who insist that there are not also many scenarios where more DR could help a lot. They constantly mock and belittle and say stuff like only lab nerds who shoot lens caps could ever notice the difference in any scenario or only morons who have no clue how to set an exposure or post process ever have any issue with DR.

I've not once seen any of those asking for more DR say that the users who don't care are stupid or can't take good photos. But I have seen tons of those who don't care, trash those who do care and call them incompetent or stupid or lab geeks and so on and so forth. And all the insults and BS is what tends to make the threads drone on even more than the 'DRoners', if anything.

And at least the 'DRoners' are pushing to get things improved for everyone. And it's not like we post in photo critique or photo posting threads and yet some of the fanboy crowd will come into threads even specifically titled "tech talk about sensors" and then trash and mock people for talking about tech and call them out as incompetent lab nerds who have never actually taken a photo in their life or other such BS.

When his back is utterly pushed to the wall he admits the Sony sensor is better, but then he quickly goes back to obfuscations and personal insults and straw men and so on and some of his buddies outright again and again say that DxO is BS and the difference is barely there and one even says the lower DR even makes the Canon sensor much better and then he constantly pretends that nobody says stuff like that.

All sensor development I know of is trying to balance DR with resolution its the preverbial holy grail. Resolution though is Nyquist limited DR is not.

 

[pdirestajr]

This just reminds me of a great scene from Mad Men:

Don Draper: This is the greatest advertisting opportunity since the invention of cereal. We have six identical companies making six identical products. We can say anything we want. How do you make your cigarettes?

Lee Garner, Jr.: I don't know.

Lee Garner, Sr.: Shame on you. We breed insect repellant tobacco seeds, plant them in the North Carolina sunshine, grow it, cut it, cure it, toast it...

Don Draper: There you go. There you go.

[Writes on chalkboard and underlines: "IT'S TOASTED."]

Lee Garner, Jr.: But everybody's else's tobacco is toasted.

Don Draper: No. Everybody else's tobacco is poisonous. Lucky Strikes'... is toasted.

Roger: Well, gentlemen, I don't think I have to tell you what you just witnessed here.

Lee Garner, Jr.: I think you do.

Don Draper: Advertising is based on one thing: happiness. And do you know what happiness is? Happiness is the smell of a new car. It's freedom from fear. It's a billboard on the side of a road that screams with reassurance that whatever you're doing is OK. You are OK.

Lee Garner, Sr.: It's toasted.

[Smiles]

Lee Garner, Sr.: I get it.

Canon. See Impossible.

 

[Khalai]

There is no reason of not wanting Canon to improve. I'm quite confident that that's all we want here. The problem with some people (so-called DRones) is that they claim Canon sensors "crap, vastly inferior, incapable or good only for FB" and so on and so forth. Also those, who push files up to 5-6 stops, expecting noise clean files and near-black shadow details in such pushes.

Even neuro, who is a strong advocate of Canon sensors, admits that Sony sensors are better. But the advantage is only in certain scenarios and it's not night-and-day or revolutionary as some like to claim. There lies the root of the problem with "DRones" - they simply, almost fanatically, praise Sony sensors, mindlessly bashing Canon sensors and generally claiming that Canon users are stupid and incapable of taking a good photo. That's the real problem.

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And at least the 'DRoners' are pushing to get things improved for everyone.
...

How exactly? Writing all over CR forums? That's not going to make any difference. If they devoted the same time sending complaints and reports to Canon HQ, then maybe, but thinking that anyone really important from Canon is reading such threads is quite silly actually.

And for the record, BOTH sides from this DR conflict happened to be mean, disrespectful and arrogant to the other one, don't make it sound that only "antiDR crowd" is acting aggresively...

 

[distant.star]

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Everyone's Gone to the Zoo (A parable)

The zookeepers one day told the animals about a new sign at the entrance gate -- Amazing News! Unheard of New Ideas! Unimagined New Possibilities!

And the animals frothed with anticipation -- RED MEAT!! Surely, fresh, bloody red meat is on the way!

The tigers smiled and imagined among themselves -- tasty impala, delicious wildebeest!

The snakes and coyotes salivated -- live rodents to devour in large, single bites! All we want!

Even the big-brained gorilla hoped, but dared imagine no more than slightly better bananas.

Some of the animals passed a sleepless night. "Tell us, please," they begged!

And when the big announcement finally was proclaimed, the animals went wild! Billboards all over the city -- sure to bring in hordes of new visitors to the zoo. Money well spent -- the chamber of commerce said so. But we want MEAT, the animals bellowed! And the zookeeper changed slightly the words to an old tune, and serenaded them...


Everyone's gone to the zoo
What will happen now
Everyone's gone to the zoo
There's nobody left
Everyone's gone to the zoo

 

[Tugela]

So, if I read this correctly, Canon have given up trying to compete with other manufacturers technology, and instead are going to focus on stories about how their customers "use" the products they make as a sales pitch?

Great. So we can expect smoke and mirrors but no substance.

It is like a fashion house deciding to focus not on being the cutting edge of fashion, but rather on how their customers were their garments in everyday use.

Where does Canon say that exactly?

If you read between the lines it says it pretty clearly in the add.

 

[unfocused]

They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Look at the beating they are getting on the youtube page, it's 5:1 thumbs down to thumbs up at least and I didn't notice a single positive comment while quickly scrolling through. It may still be a minority in the real world, but it's a lot more than 6 ;D.

Combined total for the two videos: Sixty-two comments, 255 thumbs down out of 14,794 total views. That's 1.7% thumbs down. Quite a beating. I just don't know how Canon will survive that.

 

[dadgummit]

So, if I read this correctly, Canon have given up trying to compete with other manufacturers technology, and instead are going to focus on stories about how their customers "use" the products they make as a sales pitch?

Great. So we can expect smoke and mirrors but no substance.

It is like a fashion house deciding to focus not on being the cutting edge of fashion, but rather on how their customers were their garments in everyday use.

I hate to admit but this is how I read it as well.

 

[unfocused]

Canon is not in financial trouble so doesn't need a turnaround specialist.

On the other hand: http://www.wkrb13.com/markets/387489/nikon-corp-downgraded-by-goldman-sachs-to-sell-ninoy/

Too many people are over reacting to a piece of marketing that they don't like. Get over it.

But that would require rational behavior. It's much more fun to make silly comments on a forum.

As marketing goes, I certainly like this a lot better than some guy sitting by a campfire in the middle of the night fiddling with his hipster, retro camera.

 

[Loswr]

So, if I read this correctly, Canon have given up trying to compete with other manufacturers technology, and instead are going to focus on stories about how their customers "use" the products they make as a sales pitch?

Great. So we can expect smoke and mirrors but no substance.

It is like a fashion house deciding to focus not on being the cutting edge of fashion, but rather on how their customers were their garments in everyday use.

Where does Canon say that exactly?

If you read between the lines it says it pretty clearly in the add.

You should teach marketing strategy. The industry really needs to learn that it's a poor idea to advertise products you sell today, that it's better to advertise improved products that will be available someday in the future.

 

[xps]

26 pages in two days!
Wow!

That shows that there are many of us hunting for a new announcement.
The suffering pressure seems to be really high.

THIS could be an marketing strategy too. Building up the pressure. Then rease an minor updates product. And everybody buys it.

 

[xps]

I asked an Canon technican today, if he knew something about new products or announcements (he is an fanatic sports photographer). his answer: Sharp executed NDAs...., ...tough austerity plan...., ...the mangement wants to see more profit... (not like Samsung), ... milk the cow as much as possible....

Summa summarum: Nothing new to expect. And if they do, we will see it just shortly before the publication

 

[mskrystalmeth]

We Are Canon! We build Cameras like it was still 2008 Or Later!

 

[jonathan7007]

I think the Kodak DCS was before 2008. I have two of 2008's truly modern bodies: 1DsMarkIII. Still pluggin' along... (actually I bought them last year.)

 

[dstppy]

We Are Canon! We build Cameras like it was still 2008 Or Later!

Why don't you just use the other profile . . .

 

[justawriter]

Sony DOES have an excellent track record of bringing top-of-the-line technologies to market in a timely fashion, at a good price, without bugs or glitches, so at least you've got that going for you. : They've become mainstream in every technology they ever were ahead at . . . they're the number one name in TVs, Portable Music Players, Laptops, and, oh yeah, cameras.

Sony also has a history of putting out a lot of proprietary crap in their products that they won't license in the vain hope that people will be trapped into buying Sony branded consumables forever and ever, which led to the doom of Betamax, the Super Audio CD and pretty much anything that needed a Memory Stick, among others.