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[LetTheRightLensIn]

Did Canon share their focus group results with you or are you once again assuming your opinion is more valid than Canon's market research?

Canon's focus group research told them that nobody would need manual exposure control for DSLR video. Proven wrong before the 5D2 even hit stores.

Their marketing research group said that there was zero market for a Sony RX100 type camera. Now 2 years later, after RX100 series has had huge sales, they introduce the G7.

They said that consumers have no interest in 4k or crisp 1080p, but then GH4 arrives and it sells 3x better than expected (and it has 4k, which at worst, allows for a very nice 1080p after downsizing).

So marketing research and focus groups are not always correct and sometimes appear to be remarkably (and obviously in the case of the manual video control) off.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I just love how when something doesn't turn out all roses for Canon, people turn to the obvious scapegoats: "Oh, it's just paid off competitor employees making all the comments." "Oh, you represent a tiny fraction of the Canon customer base." "Oh, votes are completely irrelevant and don't represent anything."

One person on another forum is going so far as to say that Canon has never crippled AutoISO and that it's a very advanced feature and that even though they left EC out of it on the 6D and crippled the maximum minimum shutter speed for Av mode that it's perfect and that nobody should expect some magically perfect AutoISO.

Never mind that it's a 10 cent feature that takes like 10 lines of code and that a single ML side hacker re-wrote the entire AutoISO module, without any documentation, in just a short time and that other brands have fully functional AutoISO in even low end DSLRs for years.

But the guy insists that Canon has never crippled the feature and that only people who want some miracle version perfected to their standards could make such a claim. :

 

[unfocused]

I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

Very well said. Thanks also for trying to get this thread back on track and my apologies for allowing myself to get caught up in the negativity and trolling.

You are exactly right. It is a very good strategy for a company trying to demonstrate a unified message across a broad spectrum of products.

I get a little frustrated because I told everyone well before it launched that it was a marketing campaign based on the theme of Canon helping people see the impossible. The same basic concept had already been reported on an Italian site, so it wasn't hard to figure out.

Unfortunately, people get all caught up, thinking Santa is real and is about to bring them a brand new present, then they lose all perspective and start lashing out when it turns out Christmas isn't here yet.

Again, thanks for restoring some perspective and my apologies to the greater CR community if I momentarily sunk to the level of – to use Neuro's now immortal term – the CR Drones.

 

[Zv]

I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

Unfortunately, people get all caught up, thinking Santa is real and is about to bring them a brand new present, then they lose all perspective and start lashing out when it turns out Christmas isn't here yet.

No worries, and thank you for this quote, it gave me a chuckle! ;D ;D ;D

 

[unfocused]

It's a matter of disgust. I'm pretty disgusted at the nature of this community these days. I'm a part of a number of online communities...this one is becoming one of the worst...

Yes, I certainly can understand that. I think many people have grown frustrated and disgusted because it seems like every single discussion topic ultimately gets turned into a endless debate over miniscule differences in sensor quality that few people can relate to.

I know I myself get tired of hearing the same old points repeated time and time again, with nothing new added to the discussion.

Canon can't even launch an innocuous little advertising campaign without it becoming a springboard yet again for people to complain about how their personal needs are not being met.

I suppose, in a way, we should all be thankful. The fact that the vigorous debates of the past on a multitude of topics have now been reduced to a handful of people repeating the same talking points over and over again on just three main topics (dynamic range at low ISO settings, mirrorless vs. DSLR and how many megapixels are enough) shows us just how far the technology has advanced in the past few years.

We probably all ought to be embarrassed that this is best we can come up with to debate.

 

[RobD]

Canon can't even launch an innocuous little advertising campaign without it becoming a springboard yet again for people to complain about how their personal needs are not being met.

I suppose, in a way, we should all be thankful. The fact that the vigorous debates of the past on a multitude of topics have now been reduced to a handful of people repeating the same talking points over and over again on just three main topics (dynamic range at low ISO settings, mirrorless vs. DSLR and how many megapixels are enough) shows us just how far the technology has advanced in the past few years.

We probably all ought to be embarrassed that this is best we can come up with to debate.

The ad campaign would have been better received without the countdown clock (!) and vague hints at the launch of something revolutionary. We are on the cusp of the next big Canon launches, so this smacked of deceit, or at the very least ineptitude.

And I would guess that much, if not most, of the frustration is coming from the video crowd. Canon was a pioneer in DSLR filmmaking, as their own ad is reminding us, yet they have stubbornly refused to innovate since the 5D2, meanwhile Panasonic and Sony have made great advances. You've listed some of the complaints from photographers, but these are minor compared to the features lacking in Canon DSLR video. With the launch of the A7S and GH4, the grass is looking very green on the other side, and even the cheaper NX1 has 4K and a pretty exciting feature set. Hopefully the 5D4 will make everyone happy, but until then, please Canon, no more countdown clocks unless there's something tangible when it hits zero.

 

[zlatko]

I just love how when something doesn't turn out all roses for Canon, people turn to the obvious scapegoats: "Oh, it's just paid off competitor employees making all the comments." "Oh, you represent a tiny fraction of the Canon customer base." "Oh, votes are completely irrelevant and don't represent anything."

One person on another forum is going so far as to say that Canon has never crippled AutoISO and that it's a very advanced feature and that even though they left EC out of it on the 6D and crippled the maximum minimum shutter speed for Av mode that it's perfect and that nobody should expect some magically perfect AutoISO.

Never mind that it's a 10 cent feature that takes like 10 lines of code and that a single ML side hacker re-wrote the entire AutoISO module, without any documentation, in just a short time and that other brands have fully functional AutoISO in even low end DSLRs for years.

But the guy insists that Canon has never crippled the feature and that only people who want some miracle version perfected to their standards could make such a claim. :

Wow, that's a thoroughly re-invented and misrepresented version of what was written in that other forum! It would take too long to correct all of your misstatements there.

 

[Loswr]

Yes, I certainly can understand that. I think many people have grown frustrated and disgusted because it seems like every single discussion topic ultimately gets turned into a endless debate over miniscule differences in sensor quality that few people can relate to.

I know I myself get tired of hearing the same old points repeated time and time again, with nothing new added to the discussion.

Canon can't even launch an innocuous little advertising campaign without it becoming a springboard yet again for people to complain about how their personal needs are not being met.

The thing is, no matter how often we're told that Canon sensors deliver poor IQ or just plain suck, we just don't get it. No matter how patiently it's explained to us at great, great length; no matter how many examples we're shown over and over and over and over of just how egregiously defective Canon sensors really are, it just doesn't sink in.

Apparently we're appallingly not disgusted by the terrible, sub-par sensors in Canon cameras. It's just incomprehensible to some that so many people – seemingly including people on photographic award judging committees – could find images from such abysmal sensors barely acceptable, much less actually like them.

It's truly disgusting that some people are seemingly satisfied with the image quality that Canon cameras deliver. To think that some people prioritize things other than low ISO DR and extreme shadow pushing ability apparently gives a few people the screaming red-banded willies.

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of read noise? The Shadow knows...but we Canon users do not. I guess the old saying is true...there are none so blind as those who will not push their exposures 5-stops to see.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Is it possible to unsubscribe from threads on these forums, so they don't show up in your new replies list?

I would like that option too.

 

[Maximilian]

Is it possible to unsubscribe from threads on these forums, so they don't show up in your new replies list?

I would like that option too.

Normally the "Unnotify" button should do that job already.
But I've also recognized, that it's not always working properly.

 

[Tugela]

I thought this thread was about the uselessness of the Canon marketing department so we could make fun of them....how on earth did the conversation turn to male honey bees of all things?

 

[Maximilian]

I thought this thread was about the uselessness of the Canon marketing department so we could make fun of them....how on earth did the conversation turn to male honey bees of all things?

Male honey bees are so much exciting.
Maybe because they don't have a sting.
Maybe because their life follows just one purpose, and that's not taking pictures.

In general insects are very exiting.

 

[SPKoko]

So funny and so sad...

http://www.canonwatch.com/little-bit-canon-see-impossible-humor/

 

[Northstar]

So funny and so sad...

http://www.canonwatch.com/little-bit-canon-see-impossible-humor/

So funny!

 

[Northstar]

Is it possible to unsubscribe from threads on these forums, so they don't show up in your new replies list?

I would like that option too.

What I usually do is read the replys that I want to read, and then click "mark all as read" on the others.

One post that I got tired of seeing was the "24-70 2.8ii slick clicking sound"...though it looks like it's finally died now.

 

[Maiaibing]

So funny and so sad...

Just great! Really funny because it resembles the sad truth (except to die hard fan boys who are ready do deny any facts).

 

[fragilesi]

So funny and so sad...

Just great! Really funny because it resembles the sad truth (except to die hard fan boys who are ready do deny any facts).

Sigh . . .

 

[alexanderferdinand]

THIS is exactly what I expected:
using big words, out came an even bigger pile of......

 

[Loswr]

The term DRone, which was originally meant as a joke, has become an excessively derogatory term used explicitly for insult of anyone who isn't satisfied with Canon's status quo.

Sorry, but no. Many people have expressed dissatisfaction with aspects of Canon's technology or (in)actions without issue. It's not the what, it's the how.

It's possible to discuss the issues with Canon technology

Of course it is. But regarding DR, it's been done. To death. Beyond death. Yet it gets brought up...again and again. A household scene shot with Canon and Exmor, then pushed several stops in post? Your living room...no different than Mikael's garage. It's been done.

particularly those in the anti-DR crowd

Anti-DR crowd? I don't think there is one. There is general acknowledgement that more DR would be good to have. However, there are many people who are annoyed by DRoning. As I said...it's not the what, it's the how.

OPINIONS!! When the hell did opinions become reason to beat each other up on an internet forum day in and day out over? Disgusting. The whole entire situation is just disgusting.

Throughout history opinions have been reasons to beat each other up. If that disgusts you, stay in your house and whatever you do, don't watch the news.

I'm a part of a number of online communities...this one is becoming one of the worst

Not from what I see. There are lots of threads where people with questions get them answered quickly and accurately. There are lots of threads where people post wonderful images. There are a few threads where people argue about Canon sensors – you can choose to participate in them...or not.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Again, thanks for restoring some perspective and my apologies to the greater CR community if I momentarily sunk to the level of – to use Neuro's now immortal term – the CR Drones.

Momentarily?