Show me a SHARP 5D Mark IV photo

[YuengLinger]

TBH the 7DMKII feels like much snappier than the 5DMKIII, not it actual speed (FPS) but the UI feels quicker the operation seems quicker too and the updated viewfinder were all welcome features I didn't think about as pros until after I bought it. Made the 5DMKIII feel quite old in comparison so I'm sure the IV will feel similar.

Wonder if it will have a big price fall like the 5DMKIII did after the first 12 months.

Many photographer oriented improvements to the VF and menus, compared to the 5DIII. The AF is amazingly better. The DR seems slightly better.

Frankly, I was a bit foolish to sell my 5DIII so quickly just to step up to the 5DIV; there was no rush, so I could have waited for the price drops. (I think I paid about $200 under the initial list price). But I wanted to get as much as I could for the older camera.

It wasn't the last foolish decision I'll make, but the AF is so greatly improved, I don't feel as badly stung as I might otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

As an owner of both the 5DSR and 5D IV I much prefer the 5D IV.
For me it's a much better all round camera.
The frame rate is very useful and I find the image better from it.
The 5DSR I find is poor in high ISO situations. The grain on my version is a bit smudgy.
The grain on the 5D IV is much finer.
I always felt the 5DSR was over pushed to get to 50mp.

I used both side by side in Norway recently and the 5D IV performed better.
The 5DSR needs to be on a tripod with good light to match the 5DIV.

There is no doubt the 5DSR under perfect conditions is a great camera but it's not a great all-rounder.
The 5D IV is an incremental improvement on the 5DIII.
It's not remarkably better.
The 5DIII was good (but unable to swim in sea-water unfortunately).

If I had the choice between the two I would immediately pick the 5D IV.

I'll say this - if the 5D4 did not have an AA filter - or there was a way to physically disable its function - I wouldn't have even bothered with the 5DSR.

As it stands, when I want sharp and don't want the camera getting in the way of my goal I choose the R. But for all other uses, including general shooting, I find the 5D4 to be faster, cleaner and more versatile.

I don't worry too much about shooting the R up to its max 6400 setting - enough detail is captured that noise reduction can be boosted to compensate. With the 5D4 I'm always having to turn NR down to recover detail. That said, the 5D4 is the better high ISO camera by a long shot if shooting at 12,800. Significantly less color bleeding for one.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

While the 5D Mark IV could be considered an incremental improvement over the 5D Mark III, there are some areas that I find it a substantial leap forward. The color metering system is awesome and nails skin tones over a wide range of conditions. In real world conditions, the deep shadow noise and colors are much improved.
I have shot the Reno Air Races for many years starting with film, then went digital with a 40D. Over time, I grew through 50D's, the 7D,(I still have) 5D III, and now the 5D IV & 5DS.
The old 7D is still a great shooter for good lighting with a high keeper rate.
The 5DS will produce great results shooting action but the keeper rate is lower than the 7D.
The 5D IV and 7D have about the same keeper ratio. If I need a long reach in good lighting, the 7D is the camera of choice. If I'm shooting under varied conditions, the Mark IV is the "go to" workhorse.

The "technical" dynamic range numbers for the Mark IV are a bit better than the Mark III, but the real world performance seems to indicate a greater performance improvement when it comes to being able to process the image and control light and color.
This image was a revelation for me. Despite the light being filtered through a yellow canopy, the Mark IV nailed the skin tones. The ability to dive into the deep shadows was an eye opener.
A lot of the performance comparisons are accurate, but I think the 5D Mark IV is the strongest "all-around" contender for now.

Reno 2016 Steve working on Voodoo 4255 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

Canon 5D Mark IV test LR6 3255 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

Canon 5D Mark IV 5 stop push LR6 3379 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[Mancubus]

Ok, with two babies to take care of, I just can't set up test scenarios this week... But I did take this shot after reading your post yesterday, hoping you'd get something useful from 180mm at f/4, ISO 640, 1/640th of a second. Best I could do, as he does not stay still. Check out the reflection in the eye, veins in the eye, the detail of tiny hairs near the upper lip and on the cheek.

This is a real world demo of the sharpness, which I'm completely satisfied with. Lightly processed for contrast and sharpness in LR. Not cropped.

The other shot is from a few month ago, cropped about 90% to show how smooth and sharp tiny details such as the chipped paint show. Taken handheld with an ef 70-200mm f/4 at f/7.1, ISO 400.

The baby shot is kinda of what I'm looking for, but at a full sized resolution and an exif that actually says it was a 5D4!

 

[sanj]

Viggo.
Little angel shot is superb.

 

[Viggo]

Viggo.
Little angel shot is superb.

Thanks a lot! ;D not too easy at macro distances with a bubbly girl and manual focus, lol. And indeed why I swapped it for the 135 L, for AF only. If the Zeiss had af I never would have traded

 

[YuengLinger]

Ok, with two babies to take care of, I just can't set up test scenarios this week... But I did take this shot after reading your post yesterday, hoping you'd get something useful from 180mm at f/4, ISO 640, 1/640th of a second. Best I could do, as he does not stay still. Check out the reflection in the eye, veins in the eye, the detail of tiny hairs near the upper lip and on the cheek.

This is a real world demo of the sharpness, which I'm completely satisfied with. Lightly processed for contrast and sharpness in LR. Not cropped.

The other shot is from a few month ago, cropped about 90% to show how smooth and sharp tiny details such as the chipped paint show. Taken handheld with an ef 70-200mm f/4 at f/7.1, ISO 400.

The baby shot is kinda of what I'm looking for, but at a full sized resolution and an exif that actually says it was a 5D4!

Sorry, I don't include exif. I think the 2560 resolution shows the sharpness and posts here without fuss or a need for a link.

KeithBreazeal has shared an impeccable shot even more generously in the way you hoped for.

 

[Mancubus]

Sorry, I don't include exif. I think the 2560 resolution shows the sharpness and posts here without fuss or a need for a link.

KeithBreazeal has shared an impeccable shot even more generously in the way you hoped for.

Thank you, his shot also looks sharp but once again it has a 2048 resolution, this is less than 1/3rd of the main dimension of what a 5D4 file is.

 

[Mancubus]

I feel your pain!
It is a pain in the rear when a bit of gear does not live up to your hopes so I can understand your cautions. A big problem is that everyone's standards are different and I know there are people who would say my acceptability on noise (as an example) make images unusable for them.

If you google '5DIV raw samples' you will find review sites that post unedited files you can play with, such as

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-iv/canon-5d-ivGALLERY.HTM

But as already mentioned you will only have real peace of mind if you rent one and try it out.

Thanks for the link, but I think I saw those in the past, and sadly there isn't a single photo in that bunch that allows a proper evaluation.

Those bride portraits in the bottom are horribly soft, this is exactly the kind of shot that would make me regret the purchase to my last strand of hair.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Sorry, I don't include exif. I think the 2560 resolution shows the sharpness and posts here without fuss or a need for a link.

KeithBreazeal has shared an impeccable shot even more generously in the way you hoped for.

Thank you, his shot also looks sharp but once again it has a 2048 resolution, this is less than 1/3rd of the main dimension of what a 5D4 file is.

See if this is larger(better) Use the slider under the photo.

Reno 2016 Steve working on Voodoo 4255 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[YuengLinger]

I feel your pain!
It is a pain in the rear when a bit of gear does not live up to your hopes so I can understand your cautions. A big problem is that everyone's standards are different and I know there are people who would say my acceptability on noise (as an example) make images unusable for them.

If you google '5DIV raw samples' you will find review sites that post unedited files you can play with, such as

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-iv/canon-5d-ivGALLERY.HTM

But as already mentioned you will only have real peace of mind if you rent one and try it out.

Thanks for the link, but I think I saw those in the past, and sadly there isn't a single photo in that bunch that allows a proper evaluation.

Those bride portraits in the bottom are horribly soft, this is exactly the kind of shot that would make me regret the purchase to my last strand of hair.

On Keith's Flickr page is this link to the 5DIV group--over 8000 images. Surely you will get a good sense of the camera's capabilities....

https://www.flickr.com/groups/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv/

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Tom.
So sorry to hear about you being burgled, hoping that you catching them didn't lead to you being physically attacked, and also hoping that the scum have been or will be caught. I have to wonder about the type of person that would smash a computer or server rather than take it or just leave it behind!
Hopefully you are well insured and can get your studio up and running again and replace all your damaged or stolen gear in short order.
Congratulations on having a backup (I think you are implying that you have everything except the photos that were downloading?).
I get the gear attachment thing, beat up and worn out it was still your travelling companion around the world.
Have you registered on one of the services that search for the exif for your gear, if someone posts pictures taken with it to the web it might enable you to recover it (unless the insurance pays out on it then it belongs to the insurer).

Cheers, Graham.

Unfortunately my home was burgled last week and I caught them half way through the act, my studio was destroyed my Mac pro across the room my 2 27" cinema displays were thrown down the stairs and destroyed. My server was across the room like it had been thrown. They had a pillow with at least 10ks worth of my camera gear in it. Would have been absolutely devastated if it had all gone.

 

[hbr]

There must have been something wrong with your 7DMKII for it to be worse than a 70D. I bought my 7DMKII to accompany my 5DMKIII while traveling for a year, I also bought the gf a 70D.

I have to say I don't love the 7DMKII images because when you compare them to a FF camera they just don't have that magical feel the FF sensors have, but it is leaps and bounds better than the gfs 70D but is perfectly fine for her. The focus is also awesome and I think the IQ is actually pretty impressive for a crop body.

Unfortunately my home was burgled last week and I caught them half way through the act, my studio was destroyed my Mac pro across the room my 2 27" cinema displays were thrown down the stairs and destroyed. My server was across the room like it had been thrown. They had a pillow with at least 10ks worth of my camera gear in it. Would have been absolutely devastated if it had all gone.

Fortunately with me catchin them they only got away with 2x MacBook airs an 11 and 13, ipad 2 128gb, iPhone 6s 128gb but they took my 5DMKIII which was downloading images at the time with a 100mm L Macro. Unfortunately a 4tb drive full to the brim of images thankfully backed up on my sever.

Nothing that cant be replaced but still a pretty miserable experience.

Its just stuff but ive been round the world with the camera, loads of motorsports events and weddings and it had its battle scars that were unique to me. Really attached to it, funny how you get attached to your work tools. It had just rolled over 200k so not the worth a huge amount but lots of amazing memories and of course images.

So unfortunately I am now looking for a replacement, another 5DMKIII, 5DSr, IV or a 1DX MKI.

Thanks for the images from my perspective all the images posted are very impressive and looks like another amazing workhorse from canon, but all this pixel peeping and optimal sharpness is a bit anal. The likelihood of these ideal perfect situations cropping up in the real world are minimal unless they are staged scenes with studio light.

But is the IV worth £1000 more than a 5DMKIII at this point... I'm not sure. If this hardware update rumour is true then you would be mad to buy one in the near future? Until you can find one with this update done?

Hi tomscott,
I feel your pain as I also had over $10,000 worth of camera equipment stolen 2 years ago. Unfortunately, they were gone by the time I came home and I did not have an alarm system on my home at that time. Fortunately, I had a good insurance policy and did not come out of too badly. It could have been much worse.

I totally agree with you about the 7D II vs a FF camera. I love everything about it except the images. I find that to get reasonable images, I need to use lenses with an aperture of 2.8 or better and full daylight. My 6D is not nearly as much fun to use, but the images it produces are much cleaner and easier to clean up in PP.

Brian

 

[Mancubus]

KeithBreazeal ok now I'm finally convinced, your airshow and especially your bird shots convinced me that the camera can actually get sharp enough. Congratulations on your photos, they look amazing.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

KeithBreazeal ok now I'm finally convinced, your airshow and especially your bird shots convinced me that the camera can actually get sharp enough. Congratulations on your photos, they look amazing.

You'll be happy. I shot with mine for a week, then sold my 5D Mark III.

 

[tomscott]

Hi Tom.
So sorry to hear about you being burgled, hoping that you catching them didn't lead to you being physically attacked, and also hoping that the scum have been or will be caught. I have to wonder about the type of person that would smash a computer or server rather than take it or just leave it behind!
Hopefully you are well insured and can get your studio up and running again and replace all your damaged or stolen gear in short order.
Congratulations on having a backup (I think you are implying that you have everything except the photos that were downloading?).
I get the gear attachment thing, beat up and worn out it was still your travelling companion around the world.
Have you registered on one of the services that search for the exif for your gear, if someone posts pictures taken with it to the web it might enable you to recover it (unless the insurance pays out on it then it belongs to the insurer).

Cheers, Graham.

Unfortunately my home was burgled last week and I caught them half way through the act, my studio was destroyed my Mac pro across the room my 2 27" cinema displays were thrown down the stairs and destroyed. My server was across the room like it had been thrown. They had a pillow with at least 10ks worth of my camera gear in it. Would have been absolutely devastated if it had all gone.

Thanks for the sentiments Graham, I appreciate it.

Unfortunately there is only one exit in the house and I startled them not realising, I was more worried that they had taken the Mac Pro with a wedding I shot on it a week earlier and hadn't yet back up. Thankfully the pro was too heavy for them to take and I have back ups in 3 locations in case of fire or theft so all was ok.

I went through the smashed door and upstairs and they were trying to get out of my bedroom window which is 20ft drop as they must have heard me. Unfortunately I got to the door and was assaulted, not too badly but enough to be shaken by the incident. I fought back but then realised its one of those situations me or them and there was two so just let them go. Such a stupid situation all the stuff but the camera is pretty much useless to them and probably will end up binned.

I moved to Manchester when I returned from traveling for a year and jobless and because I was out of work and looking for work I let my camera insurance lapse. I ended up getting a job and then bought a new house and concentrated getting it all sorted so the insurance didn't get sorted. I let it lapse as it was around £550 to renew, more than the car. I have contents insurance but I hadn't itemised all the camera gear as I had a camera policy. The other thing is that I moved house yesterday and had a new policy with it all itemised just in case but I hadn't activated it as it happened 2 weeks before I was moving.

Anyway suffice to say the camera is only insured to the maximum value (which isn't much) without being itemised so I am a bit out of pocket but not to worry its only stuff and me and the gf are ok, thankfully work has been fruitful and I have plenty of work but need to replace it asap. I'm looking at it as an excuse to purchase some new gear.

Otherwise I managed to disturb them and 95% of my gear is still in my possession but lesson learned. I'm going security the new place to the max and have locked cabinets etc in the new studio as a secondary deterrent.

Thing is I have been looking at replacing the 5D as was tired but I would never have sold it I would have kept it.

Its more the path of destruction they leave took 2 days to get the house straight, thankfully its a rental and like I say I moved yesterday so feels like a fresh start.

I didn't know about the online registration so thanks for that! Although I did upload a JPG to http://www.stolencamerafinder.com/ and they didn't find any images online yet I have thousands in my flickr stream with exif so not sure how good it is. Thanks for the suggestion tho appreciate it.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Regarding sharpening...
Here is an example of a 300% crop of an image taken in cloudy weather, which as you know is not conducive to producing sharp images:

300% by Omesh Singh, on Flickr

I have applied optimum sharpening settings (for my taste) but no noise reduction yet. If this is viewed "properly" at 100% then it looks pretty fantastic. Anyway, I think it is very important to learn the appropriate sharpening thresholds to use for a given camera in order to compensate for the effect of the AA filter. With different pixel sizes and AA-filters the numbers will vary obviously, but once you know your camera, it's easy enough to create a preset to apply on export, or fine-tune and sync edits across a set of images.

 

[Mancubus]

Regarding sharpening...
Here is an example of a 300% crop of an image taken in cloudy weather, which as you know is not conducive to producing sharp images:

That's very impressive, was that a 5D4?

 

[KeithBreazeal]

My first birding experience with the 5D IV was interesting. I used the 300 2.8 and a 1.4X all day- solid performance.
Now for the "crop till your eyes bleed" test.

Canon 5D Mark IV Bald Eagle crop detail © keith Breazeal photography by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

I tried this aggressive crop and I think that's about my acceptable limit.

Eagle Tour Lake Camanche 2017 Bald Eagle Tour 1142 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[AlanF]

How can we judge the sharpness? We can't download it. It's on Flickr and the size isn't visible to me at least. What crop is it?