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Click said:
I was thinking more of the setting up and framing in the dark ;D
Who am I kidding?..............
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privatebydesign said:
Hi Private... nice work. A note though on composition that may help you in the future, I often go to professional critiques (wedding, portraiture and landscapes) and this type of photograph is heavily reproduced by many amateurs. I can't tell you how many "docks in the sun" I've seen in 20 plus years. Regardless of this well worn subject... the first major point of a landscape critiques are uneven horizons and it is a common error with many. The second biggest critique is having a horizon dead center. Professional landscape photographers would be quick to point out that these mistakes often make the difference between snapshots and quality images. It not a ding on this photograph or your talent but it may help to be aware of this fact when out there taking photos... I even think most modern cameras have a digital level function but I'd check to see if your camera has it. I know that my 11-24 is difficult to compose but with some practice you will improve. If you find it too difficult to compose while on site, check PS as there is a function that easily allows for adjusting the horizon. Have fun out there...
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C-FMST said:
Love this !!! We have a house on Maui in the upcountry and although we've been many times, Haleakala is one of the top goto place every time we are back.
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Pookie said:
Pookie,
Many thanks for your kind if misguided attempts at 'helping'. Of course you are 100% correct about the level, it is a rough edit and a basic shot but I should have leveled it, just being lazy, I didn't realise it was a critique. I also agree it is a well worn subject, the point is, they sell, very well, when I do get round to editing it properly (which will include leveling) I will print it and I expect it will sell just like my other numerous dock shots.
As for the horizon being centered, this is where you are woefully misguided, the entire point of the image is the single point perspective, that is how dock images work. It is a compositional tool used very effectively since Masolino da Panicale in 1423 in his painting ‘St. Peter Healing a Cripple and the Raising of Tabitha’. Indeed Raphael's ‘The School of Athens’ from 1505 is often considered the pinnacle of the classic renaissance. If you are not familiar with basic art history and some of the Masters then maybe I could point you to Stanley Kubrick (https://vimeo.com/48425421), or Wes Anderson? Though I agree Anderson often uses techniques that allow for lower than center horizons, had I felt the composition warrantied it I would have either cropped or used the 17TS-E. If you want photographers then several spring to mind, Mike Kelley is my current favourite (http://www.mpkelley.com/). Or even, it would appear subconsciously, you. (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=21669.msg539054#msg539054)
My experience of shooting one point perspective has been that center horizons work best, it is the strongest version most times and forces the eye into the image, it doesn't come across particularly well on a small image, but as a 24" or bigger print, it becomes mesmerising, ever wonder why a Kubrick movie is so so much better at a movie theater? I'll bet even your Kubrick-ien balloon image looks good on a larger screen or print .
Just to be sure, my composition was very deliberate and has a long art history behind it, we don't all live in the 'rule of thirds' nonsense repeated ad nauseum by photographers with no education in composition or critique.
I'll have a look for the 'level' function in PS. :
In the meantime if you ever need some help with your lighting and posing, which judging from your posted images you do (how did you make that sub 100lb girl look like she was made out of play dough and carrying an extra 20lbs( http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11988.msg549510#msg549510), or deformed baby with a withered right arm (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=27324.msg541490#msg541490), and the African American girl on the beach with the dog is a case study on how to not pose and light somebody (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=872.msg531765#msg531765)), then feel free to drop me a PM, I can point you to some very good photographers in CA that I mentored and I am sure I could get them to give you a hand, or, if you are ever on the East coast I could run you a private session.
After that we could always check out some of your composition, but with work like this I'd be inclined to listen first. Another single point perspective (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=27217.msg538219#msg538219), or single point perspective centered horizon and what is going on with the space above her head? (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=872.msg508842#msg508842) or third image here (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=872.msg506851#msg506851) which is incredibly weak from a compositional standpoint. Oh, another centered horizon and acreage above the head ....(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11988.msg500476#msg500476) Need I go on? (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25202.msg498056#msg498056)
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Pookie said:
Not always
http://www.poster-bargains.com/giant/822029.php
Sell as many landscape shots as Cedric Porshez and you can put the horizon where you want.
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