Bryans flare comparison was a huge show of improvement. Sure, it's a coatings thing but it matters.
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slclick said:Bryans flare comparison was a huge show of improvement. Sure, it's a coatings thing but it matters.
Don Haines said:If you want better lenses, get primes.Nitroman said:Well i was certainly disappointed with the Canon 24-105mm F4 IS Mark II. It was almost no better than the Mark 1 - apart from a slightly better IS.
Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
With a new Canon 5Dsr in the pipeline, we need better lenses.
Realistically, most zooms are now as sharp as they can be made. Improvements are limited to coatings, IS, quality of machining, and the electronics. This improves copy variation and AF performance..... things that do not show up on a MTF chart, yet are solid reasons for a new version.
Act444 said:Don Haines said:If you want better lenses, get primes.Nitroman said:Well i was certainly disappointed with the Canon 24-105mm F4 IS Mark II. It was almost no better than the Mark 1 - apart from a slightly better IS.
Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
With a new Canon 5Dsr in the pipeline, we need better lenses.
Realistically, most zooms are now as sharp as they can be made. Improvements are limited to coatings, IS, quality of machining, and the electronics. This improves copy variation and AF performance..... things that do not show up on a MTF chart, yet are solid reasons for a new version.
I have to agree - to get the most out of the 5DSR you really need to limit your lens pool to the best of primes...or at least that has been my experience. The ONE zoom lens that I got ok results out of was the 100-400 II, but even then I still wasn’t maximizing its potential.
The 35 1.4 II, 85 1.4 and 100 macro are the three lenses (particularly the 35 and 100) that I use it with primarily.
As for the new 70-200 f4, the improvement is slight, but the original was already pretty good TBH...looks like the upgrade is more in the flare resistance, IS, etc. than pure resolving power...
Keith_Reeder said:They can't win...
Act444 said:I have to agree - to get the most out of the 5DSR you really need to limit your lens pool to the best of primes...or at least that has been my experience. The ONE zoom lens that I got ok results out of was the 100-400 II, but even then I still wasn’t maximizing its potential.
The 35 1.4 II, 85 1.4 and 100 macro are the three lenses (particularly the 35 and 100) that I use it with primarily.
As for the new 70-200 f4, the improvement is slight, but the original was already pretty good TBH...looks like the upgrade is more in the flare resistance, IS, etc. than pure resolving power...
Yet I get it - the “megapixel race” continues on with the bodies, but that’s another issue altogether...
... except the non-IS f/4 70-200mm in my case @70mm where it was mushy in the corner regions. While it was fine for APS-C use. I too bought a 5D body to explore FF land and observed the same: per pixel sharpness with good lenses like f/2.8 24mm or f/2.0 100mm and very good texture reproduction!wsmith96 said:Act444 said:I have to agree - to get the most out of the 5DSR you really need to limit your lens pool to the best of primes...or at least that has been my experience. The ONE zoom lens that I got ok results out of was the 100-400 II, but even then I still wasn’t maximizing its potential.
The 35 1.4 II, 85 1.4 and 100 macro are the three lenses (particularly the 35 and 100) that I use it with primarily.
As for the new 70-200 f4, the improvement is slight, but the original was already pretty good TBH...looks like the upgrade is more in the flare resistance, IS, etc. than pure resolving power...
Yet I get it - the “megapixel race” continues on with the bodies, but that’s another issue altogether...
Complete agree with you here. I took a different approach on the megapixel race and bought another 5D (first version). All of my lenses look great at 12 megapixels.
Nitroman said:Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
scyrene said:Nitroman said:Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
One reason that has been suggested around here is that they may have altered the way they build them - moving to more automated/robotic manufacturing, which may save them money one way or another (in the long run). Not every update will show strongly on the customers' end.
If they didn't bring out a new model but continued with the old one, then the old one would be the current model and have the long support life.StoicalEtcher said:scyrene said:Nitroman said:Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
One reason that has been suggested around here is that they may have altered the way they build them - moving to more automated/robotic manufacturing, which may save them money one way or another (in the long run). Not every update will show strongly on the customers' end.
Have heard that too - and there may be more changes made under the covers as well - not necessarily improving IQ (which as others note may be getting close to what is achievable at (relatively) modest priced zooms), but which also give greater reliability / more efficient servicing, etc. If nothing else, a new model designation gives a longer support life.
scyrene said:Nitroman said:Why do Canon bother to release new versions when there is little improvement?!
One reason that has been suggested around here is that they may have altered the way they build them - moving to more automated/robotic manufacturing, which may save them money one way or another (in the long run). Not every update will show strongly on the customers' end.
Mt Spokane Photography said:The optical performance of the existing lens was so close to perfect, that even a little is a accomplishment. Looking at just center sharpness is like reading the specs on a Soiny camera. You need to look at everything. The lens had a substantial upgrade across the board, but I would not upgrade from thye old one unless it were my most used lens and my old one was wearing out.