The EOS 6D Will Not be Replaced by a Mirrorless Camera

[Canon Rumors]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

A <a href="http://petapixel.com/2016/12/20/canon-release-mirrorless-full-frame-camera-instead-6d-mark-ii-report/">recent report</a> at PetaPixel that seems to have gained traction suggests that the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will be a full frame mirrorless camera. This report is 100% untrue, the EOS 6D Mark II, which we expect to announced around May/June of 2017, will be a DSLR.</p>
<p>As for a full frame mirrorless camera, we haven’t seen any solid evidence of one coming in 2017.</p>
<p><em>More to come….</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

I've been stomping on this terrible CW rumor that has snowballed in the last few days. It's nonsense. Why Canon would abandon that primed pump with a massive technology switch is beyond comprehension.

CW --> Phoblographer --> Petapixel and then the world starting foaming at the mouth. Fake news is a very real thing, people. Just say no.

The 6D2 will (largely) be an 80D with a FF sensor.

FF mirrorless is coming, but it won't supplant a money-maker in the present with the same brand identity. They'll come up with a way to brand it to be sold alongside a similarly spec'd SLR before they ever axe an the mirror altogether, i.e. perhaps sell a future 6D3 alongside a 6D3m.

- A

You're exactly right.

It's one thing when the little sites post nonsense, but when the big guys buy into it too? It's frustrating.

 

[tron]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

A <a href="http://petapixel.com/2016/12/20/canon-release-mirrorless-full-frame-camera-instead-6d-mark-ii-report/">recent report</a> at PetaPixel that seems to have gained traction suggests that the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will be a full frame mirrorless camera. This report is 100% untrue, the EOS 6D Mark II, which we expect to announced around May/June of 2017, will be a DSLR.</p>
<p>As for a full frame mirrorless camera, we haven’t seen any solid evidence of one coming in 2017.</p>
<p><em>More to come….</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

I've been stomping on this terrible CW rumor that has snowballed in the last few days. It's nonsense. Why Canon would abandon that primed pump with a massive technology switch is beyond comprehension.

CW --> Phoblographer --> Petapixel and then the world starting foaming at the mouth. Fake news is a very real thing, people. Just say no.

The 6D2 will (largely) be an 80D with a FF sensor.

FF mirrorless is coming, but it won't supplant a money-maker in the present with the same brand identity. They'll come up with a way to brand it to be sold alongside a similarly spec'd SLR before they ever axe an the mirror altogether, i.e. perhaps sell a future 6D3 alongside a 6D3m.

- A

You're exactly right.

It's one thing when the little sites post nonsense, but when the big guys buy into it too? It's frustrating.

Maybe then if you didn't even mention this nonsense at all? (by not starting this thread!)

I was about to reply to your initial post:

The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

and ... the sun will rise tomorrow...

There are so many useful threads on this site (which by the way is my favorite one) that we do not need noise...

 

[ahsanford]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

I was about to reply to your initial post:

The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

and ... the sun will rise tomorrow...

There are so many useful threads on this site (which by the way is my favorite one) that we do not need noise...

With respect, correcting fake news is far from noise. It's a much needed public service.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

I have no idea why anyone would run with this, it makes absolutely no sense to replace a DSLR that has sold extremely well with a mirrorless camera (which don't sell well).

Clickbait.

 

[canonographer]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

For those of you who think we all want mirrorless cameras because we want a miniature camera, you're missing the point.

I, for one, want the functionality that comes with dropping the mirror.

- Focus peaking
- Over / under exposed zebra indicators
- Silent shutter
- Less vibration
- Exposure preview
- More shooting information in your viewfinder
- EVF that allows you to review your shots in the viewfinder - this is a huge benefit in bright situations

While we're at it, and it's Christmas, here's what else I have on my wish list. I want an EF mount, flexible built in flash, full sized battery, IBIS, 4K video, crop mode/digital zoom, wireless charging, Bluetooth, tilting touchscreen, and the ability to add custom apps.

I wouldn't object if they put the 6D on a diet, but not at the expense of ergonomics.

Mirrorless is cheaper and easier to manufacture, Canon needs to go there one way or another. The only reasonable objections to mirrorless are the lack of OVF, focus speed, and battery life.

From my perspective, EVFs add so much more functionality, I'll take them over the OVF at this point. Focus speed is almost, if not already, as good as many full frames on the market now. And the battery life issue does require you to carry an extra battery or two on a full day shoot, but it's not that big of an inconvenience.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

A <a href="http://petapixel.com/2016/12/20/canon-release-mirrorless-full-frame-camera-instead-6d-mark-ii-report/">recent report</a> at PetaPixel that seems to have gained traction suggests that the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will be a full frame mirrorless camera. This report is 100% untrue, the EOS 6D Mark II, which we expect to announced around May/June of 2017, will be a DSLR.</p>
<p>As for a full frame mirrorless camera, we haven’t seen any solid evidence of one coming in 2017.</p>
<p><em>More to come….</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

I've been stomping on this terrible CW rumor that has snowballed in the last few days. It's nonsense. Why Canon would abandon that primed pump with a massive technology switch is beyond comprehension.

CW --> Phoblographer --> Petapixel and then the world starting foaming at the mouth. Fake news is a very real thing, people. Just say no.

The 6D2 will (largely) be an 80D with a FF sensor.

FF mirrorless is coming, but it won't supplant a money-maker in the present with the same brand identity. They'll come up with a way to brand it to be sold alongside a similarly spec'd SLR before they ever axe an the mirror altogether, i.e. perhaps sell a future 6D3 alongside a 6D3m.

- A

You're exactly right.

It's one thing when the little sites post nonsense, but when the big guys buy into it too? It's frustrating.

Maybe then if you didn't even mention this nonsense at all? (by not starting this thread!)

I was about to reply to your initial post:

The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

and ... the sun will rise tomorrow...

There are so many useful threads on this site (which by the way is my favorite one) that we do not need noise...

It's nearly impossible to ignore this sort of stuff as my inbox fills up with people asking about it. It has to be addressed in some way.

 

[tron]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

A <a href="http://petapixel.com/2016/12/20/canon-release-mirrorless-full-frame-camera-instead-6d-mark-ii-report/">recent report</a> at PetaPixel that seems to have gained traction suggests that the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will be a full frame mirrorless camera. This report is 100% untrue, the EOS 6D Mark II, which we expect to announced around May/June of 2017, will be a DSLR.</p>
<p>As for a full frame mirrorless camera, we haven’t seen any solid evidence of one coming in 2017.</p>
<p><em>More to come….</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

I've been stomping on this terrible CW rumor that has snowballed in the last few days. It's nonsense. Why Canon would abandon that primed pump with a massive technology switch is beyond comprehension.

CW --> Phoblographer --> Petapixel and then the world starting foaming at the mouth. Fake news is a very real thing, people. Just say no.

The 6D2 will (largely) be an 80D with a FF sensor.

FF mirrorless is coming, but it won't supplant a money-maker in the present with the same brand identity. They'll come up with a way to brand it to be sold alongside a similarly spec'd SLR before they ever axe an the mirror altogether, i.e. perhaps sell a future 6D3 alongside a 6D3m.

- A

You're exactly right.

It's one thing when the little sites post nonsense, but when the big guys buy into it too? It's frustrating.

Maybe then if you didn't even mention this nonsense at all? (by not starting this thread!)

I was about to reply to your initial post:

The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

and ... the sun will rise tomorrow...

There are so many useful threads on this site (which by the way is my favorite one) that we do not need noise...

It's nearly impossible to ignore this sort of stuff as my inbox fills up with people asking about it. It has to be addressed in some way.

I understand your position it is just that the very suggestion of something like this seems complete BS to me. Is it me only that thinks that the obvious for Canon would be to use a different naming convention for a different kind of camera than a 6DII ????

 

[jc7222]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

How much smaller can it be without loosing its perfect ergonomics? Down to mirrorless is out question. Down to the size of the SL1 is very unlikely. But could it at least shrink down to the size of a xxxD? Or are we talking more about millimeters, rather than centimeters...

I couldn't agree more. I have large hands and the 6D is just a tad too small. To make it smaller may be too small for me. I don't mind lighter but, smaller I'm not liking the thought of that. I'll have to wait and see how it will impact the feel with a battery grip.I always feel like I'm going to drop small cameras because I can't get a proper hold with my hand.

 

[scrup]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

For those of you who think we all want mirrorless cameras because we want a miniature camera, you're missing the point.

I, for one, want the functionality that comes with dropping the mirror.

- Focus peaking
- Over / under exposed zebra indicators
- Silent shutter
- Less vibration
- Exposure preview
- More shooting information in your viewfinder
- EVF that allows you to review your shots in the viewfinder - this is a huge benefit in bright situations

While we're at it, and it's Christmas, here's what else I have on my wish list. I want an EF mount, flexible built in flash, full sized battery, IBIS, 4K video, crop mode/digital zoom, wireless charging, Bluetooth, tilting touchscreen, and the ability to add custom apps.

I wouldn't object if they put the 6D on a diet, but not at the expense of ergonomics.

Mirrorless is cheaper and easier to manufacture, Canon needs to go there one way or another. The only reasonable objections to mirrorless are the lack of OVF, focus speed, and battery life.

From my perspective, EVFs add so much more functionality, I'll take them over the OVF at this point. Focus speed is almost, if not already, as good as many full frames on the market now. And the battery life issue does require you to carry an extra battery or two on a full day shoot, but it's not that big of an inconvenience.

Canon can simply do this by adding another hot shoe for the EFV DC1 and supercharging the live view mode. You have all you want from a mirrorless and keeping the benefits of a DSLR.

 

[hbr]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

I understand your position it is just that the very suggestion of something like this seems complete BS to me. Is it me only that thinks that the obvious for Canon would be to use a different naming convention for a different kind of camera than a 6DII ????

+1

 

[canonographer]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

For those of you who think we all want mirrorless cameras because we want a miniature camera, you're missing the point.

I, for one, want the functionality that comes with dropping the mirror.

- Focus peaking
- Over / under exposed zebra indicators
- Silent shutter
- Less vibration
- Exposure preview
- More shooting information in your viewfinder
- EVF that allows you to review your shots in the viewfinder - this is a huge benefit in bright situations

While we're at it, and it's Christmas, here's what else I have on my wish list. I want an EF mount, flexible built in flash, full sized battery, IBIS, 4K video, crop mode/digital zoom, wireless charging, Bluetooth, tilting touchscreen, and the ability to add custom apps.

I wouldn't object if they put the 6D on a diet, but not at the expense of ergonomics.

Mirrorless is cheaper and easier to manufacture, Canon needs to go there one way or another. The only reasonable objections to mirrorless are the lack of OVF, focus speed, and battery life.

From my perspective, EVFs add so much more functionality, I'll take them over the OVF at this point. Focus speed is almost, if not already, as good as many full frames on the market now. And the battery life issue does require you to carry an extra battery or two on a full day shoot, but it's not that big of an inconvenience.

Canon can simply do this by adding another hot shoe for the EFV DC1 and supercharging the live view mode. You have all you want from a mirrorless and keeping the benefits of a DSLR.

True, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

I'm hoping the 6DII includes some of the new patents we've seen around the hybrid viewfinder. As for tacking on an extra EVF via an additional hot shoe, that would be a little clunky for me. I don't even like having to use a lens adapter.

 

[Crosswind]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

Don't get me wrong. I'd really like the 6D to shrink down a bit, but not too much. Something like a xxxD with FF sensor. I do have smaller hands.

 

[NancyP]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

6D hits the sweet spot for me. It balances well, is big enough to grip but doesn't weigh a ton, small enough to pack well. Top weight lens I use is 1.3 kilos. Average lens is 600 grams. Run and gun walking around lens is the 150 gram Shorty Forty. If I bulked up and started shooting 400 f/2.8 or 600 f/4, I could see using the 1D series - much of that use would be on tripod, monopod, or car window/roof.

 

[Sharlin]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

The funniest thing sbout this rumor is that CW rated it as "CW3" ("about 50% chance of being true").

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

The PetaPixel report originated from CW (the other Canon Rumor site) which, IMO, was tipped off by someone who read a thread which was started on DPR and decided to submit a rumor based on theoretical conversation. I commented on CW, saying as much. The thread on DPR had numerous people speculating about what it would be like if the 6D replacement were mirrorless and shortly thereafter, the rumor at CW was posted, which PP picked up. At the time of the DPR thread, I even contemplated posting "I bet this ends up on a rumor site" but didn't. Wish I would have

I have no idea why anyone would run with this, it makes absolutely no sense to replace a DSLR that has sold extremely well with a mirrorless camera (which don't sell well).

Generates click thru's

 

[Aussie shooter]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

I get the feeling canon will only develop a ff mirrorless if their crop version sells well enough

 

[dak723]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

The trouble with ergonomics is each person my have their own idea what the right ergonomics is. I just sold my 6D because I rarely took it with me because it was bigger and heavier than my Olympus E-M1. Used the money to buy a new M5. The M5 is not ideal by any means, but would love for the new 6D II to be about the size of the rebels or even the SL1. Only then would I consider getting back to a FF DSLR. That would be my "perfect" ergonomics. Growing up with the Olympus OM-1, I am used to smaller SLRs. All the pro level DSLRs are ridiculously large in comparison. Of course, within a reasonable size, people will get used to what is offered. If people were happy with smaller SLRs in the film days, then they would easily get used to similar sized DSLRs in my opinion.

 

[preppyak]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

How much smaller can it be without loosing its perfect ergonomics? Down to mirrorless is out question. Down to the size of the SL1 is very unlikely. But could it at least shrink down to the size of a xxxD? Or are we talking more about millimeters, rather than centimeters...

The short answer is a lot smaller, but, then it wont have an EF mount. Which means it'd need an entire lens line, which is a 5+ year reality for useable professional system. Hell, Sony's only just getting there here in 2016, three years into their A7 line. And it certainly is nowhere close to the variety of the EF line.

A Sony a7 + kit lens is much smaller than a 6D + kit lens (comparison). And I find the ergonomics of that system just about as good. But I sacrifice a lot in AF performance for that weight difference. And battery life. And a variety of other very useful things

 

[3kramd5]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

For those of you who think we all want mirrorless cameras because we want a miniature camera, you're missing the point.

I, for one, want the functionality that comes with dropping the mirror.

- Focus peaking
- Over / under exposed zebra indicators
- Silent shutter
- Less vibration
- Exposure preview
- More shooting information in your viewfinder
- EVF that allows you to review your shots in the viewfinder - this is a huge benefit in bright situations

While we're at it, and it's Christmas, here's what else I have on my wish list. I want an EF mount, flexible built in flash, full sized battery, IBIS, 4K video, crop mode/digital zoom, wireless charging, Bluetooth, tilting touchscreen, and the ability to add custom apps.

I wouldn't object if they put the 6D on a diet, but not at the expense of ergonomics.

Mirrorless is cheaper and easier to manufacture, Canon needs to go there one way or another. The only reasonable objections to mirrorless are the lack of OVF, focus speed, and battery life.

From my perspective, EVFs add so much more functionality, I'll take them over the OVF at this point. Focus speed is almost, if not already, as good as many full frames on the market now. And the battery life issue does require you to carry an extra battery or two on a full day shoot, but it's not that big of an inconvenience.

Canon can simply do this by adding another hot shoe for the EFV DC1 and supercharging the live view mode. You have all you want from a mirrorless and keeping the benefits of a DSLR.

Well, you'll have a camera which can provide mirrorless functionality and SLR functionality, but not at the same time; you have to choose. For mirrorless functions, the mirror has to be locked up (drawing power by the by), hence SLR advantages are lost. For SLR functions, the mirror has to be down, hence mirrorless advantages are lost.

A pellicle mirror can mostly provide both at once (you can have a large off-sensor dedicated AF unit while seeing exposure preview, zebras, etc), at the expense of noise (less light hits the sensor for a given exposure).

 

[crashpc]

Re: The EOS 6D Mark II Will Not be a Mirrorless Camera

You don´t need to loose “anything” – you can do it the same way as SONY DSLRs, and lift the mirror at the time of shutter release. That way you´ll have all what mirrorless camera has, and DSLR too. It would be nice if you could set your mode (DSLR/MILC/HYBRID) for what you want at the moment. How cool would that be…