The New Canon PowerShot G7 X

[Dylan777]

Hmmm. Maybe it is time to upgrade my G6! Well, when I want something small I've got my M. And, my wife is VERY happy with her RX1000iii 'cause she really wanted a viewfinder.

It's too early to tell, but I doubt this will out perform your RX100 III. The EVF is a nice feature to shoot outdoor. The price remains primary factor for these two. I don't see how Canon would priced at $800ish. If it around $600ish and MUST BE pocketable then Canon has upper hand.

 

[Pny]

Looks more like a successor to the Canon S120 than the Canon G 16.

 

[Loswr]

Looks more like a successor to the Canon S120 than the Canon G 16.

Yes, but it has a bigger sensor. I guess according to Canon that makes it more like a G_ X camera.

**Thumbs my nose at all those who claim Canon thinks the sensor doesn't matter.**

 

[Maximilian]

*sigh*
with these specs it'll be rather expensive.
Otherwise I'm in...

 

[sanjosedave]

There is no wow in this camera. I'll wait for the reviews, doesn't seem like a camera to jump on out of the gate. It seems to be a me-too-ish camera

 

[mpphoto]

It appeals to me as the owner of a G15, but I just bought mine last summer. This G7 X looks like it would be a nice upgrade, but I just can't justify replacing my G15 so soon. I'm sure I will buy one (or a successor) in 2-3 years. Probably not what Canon wants to hear.

 

[9VIII]

If my calculations are correct it's a 35mm equivalent to f4.9 to f7.6.

So, that's 100mm f7.6 in normal exposure values.

Might be a semantic thing, but to be clear...it's f/7.6 in terms of DoF, but f/2.8 in terms of exposure (until you factor in ISO noise, anyway).

Very interesting.
So to be clear, a 1DX with a 100mm f2.8 lens at ISO 100 and the G7X at ISO 100, zoomed all the way in (maximum telephoto) and wide open, will produce images with the same brightness?

 

[AvTvM]

well, no winner. too late. Should have come out with that thing 2 years ago instead of stupid Powershot S 100/110/120 and instead of also stupid G1 X/II

+
at least a 1" sensor
fast lens, useful focal length range
built in fill flash
WiFi + NFC built in ... but not in much bigger 7D II ... so incredibly and utterly ridiculous!
Control Ring ... yes, yes yes (if fully user assignable)
Touch LCD

-
no APS-C sensor
no top-notch EVF
price (whatever it is, it will be way too high)
not Retina/hi Res LCD, only 640x480

=
no buy, as far as I am concerned

 

[ihendy]

Just got the RXIII a month ago after waiting for 2 generations of RX's for canon to release something like this. Had an S90 a few years back. Good camera but it broke just after the warranty expired. Seems like canon is beginning to react, but alas no EVF. I prefer canon colours but the Sony RXIII is going to be a hard act to follow. The only thing I'm not crazy about on the sony is the front control ring and 70mm is a little short. Otherwise it's pretty much perfect. It will be interesting to see the image quality comparisons, but Canon seems to be adopting the too little to late strategy. Not the best marketing plan if they want to stay on top. Come on canon - get in the game.

 

[retina]

If my calculations are correct it's a 35mm equivalent to f4.9 to f7.6.

So, that's 100mm f7.6 in normal exposure values.

Might be a semantic thing, but to be clear...it's f/7.6 in terms of DoF, but f/2.8 in terms of exposure (until you factor in ISO noise, anyway).

Very interesting.
So to be clear, a 1DX with a 100mm f2.8 lens at ISO 100 and the G7X at ISO 100, zoomed all the way in (maximum telephoto) and wide open, will produce images with the same brightness?

yes correct, exposure is exposure.

if you meter a scene with a 1DX + 100mm lens at ISO 100 & f/2.8 and say you get 1/100, you will get the same shutter speed with the G7X, using same settings ( ISO 100 & f/2.8 ) = resulting in the same exposure value.

DoF otoh will be equivalent to f/7.6 of 1DX + 100mm lens, due to 2.7x crop factor of this 1" sensor.

 

[powershot2012]

Anything more than $550 isn't worth the money. Better value on the RX100 II or III.

Hmmm. Maybe it is time to upgrade my G6! Well, when I want something small I've got my M. And, my wife is VERY happy with her RX1000iii 'cause she really wanted a viewfinder.

It's too early to tell, but I doubt this will out perform your RX100 III. The EVF is a nice feature to shoot outdoor. The price remains primary factor for these two. I don't see how Canon would priced at $800ish. If it around $600ish and MUST BE pocketable then Canon has upper hand.

 

[powershot2012]

+1

Once again, too late to the game as the field has already changed. LX100 is the new authority...anything less than Four Thirds sensor, no thanks!

well, no winner. too late. Should have come out with that thing 2 years ago instead of stupid Powershot S 100/110/120 and instead of also stupid G1 X/II

+
at least a 1" sensor
fast lens, useful focal length range
built in fill flash
WiFi + NFC built in ... but not in much bigger 7D II ... so incredibly and utterly ridiculous!
Control Ring ... yes, yes yes (if fully user assignable)
Touch LCD

-
no APS-C sensor
no top-notch EVF
price (whatever it is, it will be way too high)
not Retina/hi Res LCD, only 640x480

=
no buy, as far as I am concerned

 

[Loswr]

If my calculations are correct it's a 35mm equivalent to f4.9 to f7.6.

So, that's 100mm f7.6 in normal exposure values.

Might be a semantic thing, but to be clear...it's f/7.6 in terms of DoF, but f/2.8 in terms of exposure (until you factor in ISO noise, anyway).

Very interesting.
So to be clear, a 1DX with a 100mm f2.8 lens at ISO 100 and the G7X at ISO 100, zoomed all the way in (maximum telephoto) and wide open, will produce images with the same brightness?

Yes. Exposure (aperture + shutter speed) is determined by light per unit area hitting the sensor. An f/2.8 lens with a given shutter speed (say 1/100 s) and a given ISO (say ISO 100) will give the same 'brightness' (within a reasonable variation due to different meters) whether the sensor is an iPhone or a Hasselblad medium format.

However...the image noise is determined by the total light collected, so at a given aperture + shutter speed + ISO, the larger the sensor the lower the noise.

For the same framing with a smaller sensor, you're either using a shorter FL or you're further away, resulting in a deeper DoF. That's why a 'crop factor' applies to DoF as well as FL. If you need that deeper DoF with the larger sensor, you simply stop down and you have it. If you need to keep the shutter speed up, you raise ISO; the lower noise from the larger sensor means when you match DoF, you match noise and you're no worse off.

Basically, larger sensors give you the option of thinner DoF if you want it (and lower noise if you do), or the same DoF with no penalty.

For further reading: http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/.

 

[Loswr]

Once again, too late to the game as the field has already changed. LX100 is the new authority...anything less than Four Thirds sensor, no thanks

If the G7 X has the S120 form factor, it will fit in a jeans pocket. Is that true of the LX100?

 

[Khufu]

I'm not a fan of these things being labled 1" Sensors... I hope everyone considering this thing is aware it's much smaller than an inch and only around 15.9mm measured diagonally!

Go buy an EOS M instead

 

[Woody]

well, no winner. too late. Should have come out with that thing 2 years ago instead of stupid Powershot S 100/110/120 and instead of also stupid G1 X/II

G1X II is not stupid. It is let down by poor sensor. It is incomprehensible how a small RX100 MK3 sensor can perform better.

Let us hope the G7X has a better sensor

 

[Woody]

I'm not a fan of these things being labled 1" Sensors... I hope everyone considering this thing is aware it's much smaller than an inch and only around 15.9mm measured diagonally!

Go buy an EOS M instead

I am in the market for a small camera. Deciding between EOS M, SL1 and this G7X

 

[expatinasia]

Does seem to be aimed directly at the Sony RX100 family, but like many others beforehand I would have liked EVF.

Even Sony realised their mistake by selling the EVF as an extra on the Mark II only to incorporate one (very cleverly) into the Mark III.

The video on this seems to be lacking as well, when compared to the Sony RX100 Mark III.

For Canon users, the main advantage to not buying Sony as a pocketable camera, is the menu system. I guess Canon uses a similar system on these smaller cameras as they do on their DSLRs?

When it comes out I will definitely go and take a look, but I do not have the same expectations or excitement as I did when I first saw the RX100 Mark III.

I doubt Sony are worried, which is a shame. How long is it until the RX100 Mark IV comes out?!! ;-)

 

[Woody]

The video on this seems to be lacking as well, when compared to the Sony RX100 Mark III.

For Canon users, the main advantage to not buying Sony as a pocketable camera, is the menu system. I guess Canon uses a similar system on these smaller cameras as they do on their DSLRs?

There's also Canon colors.

But the G7X has a touch screen and Canon's touch screens are one of the best in the camera market right now. If the G7X has a responsive AF, it'll be a winning combination.

I believe the G7X can also do 1080p 60p just like RX100 M3, so I don't understand your comment that its video capabilities being lacking.

 

[AvTvM]

well, no winner. too late. Should have come out with that thing 2 years ago instead of stupid Powershot S 100/110/120 and instead of also stupid G1 X/II

G1X II is not stupid. It is let down by poor sensor. It is incomprehensible how a small RX100 MK3 sensor can perform better.

Let us hope the G7X has a better sensor

The G1 X I and II are stupid. Because Canon did not stick the best APS-C sensor available at production time into them, but chose a weirdo 4:3 format sensor instead. Or otherwise use a 1" sensor and make the damn thing smaller, rather than waiting more than 2 years until they finally come up with a response to the Sony RX-100.