Perhaps well into cupcake territory at that point.Sharlin said:Snzkgb said:Please please make it to be 60-70mm pancake
I'm fairly sure "60-70mm" and "pancake" are mutually exclusive.
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The Next Lens from Canon Will be an EF-S Prime
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15mm F2.8 would be nice - so we have a 24mm equivalent field of view.
The Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM lens has a F5.6 aperture at 15mm and above.
So this new prime could be 2 stops faster and sharper as well.
The Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM lens has a F5.6 aperture at 15mm and above.
So this new prime could be 2 stops faster and sharper as well.
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I really don't see why everyone is skipping tele lenses. There you would have the most weight/size saving.
Have you given up on Canon so badly?
Anything around 70-100mm and f/2.8 would be magical. 90/2.8 macro? Is it too wet of a dream?
Have you given up on Canon so badly?
Anything around 70-100mm and f/2.8 would be magical. 90/2.8 macro? Is it too wet of a dream?
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riker said:I really don't see why everyone is skipping tele lenses. There you would have the most weight/size saving.
Have you given up on Canon so badly?
Anything around 70-100mm and f/2.8 would be magical. 90/2.8 macro? Is it too wet of a dream?
The more tele the lens, the less the weight/size saving would be making it specifically for a smaller sensor.
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Sharlin said:
not at all. 70mm/2.4 pancake is "proven possible" ... for APS-C
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk/en/k-mount/group/14/body/overview/HD-PENTAX-DA-70mm-F2.4-Limited.html
even a 77mm/1.8 AF lens for FF image circle is possible in "ultra-compact" size:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/k/telephoto/smcpentax-fa77/
That's why I see no problem for Canon to make me a decent, tiny EF-M 85/2.4 STM IS
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AvTvM said:
Sigma has a 30mm F1.4 lens that sells quite well...
The 17-55 F2.8 from Canon sells quite well......
The 18-200 zoom from Canon sells quite well.....
There might be a lot more "stupid people" out there than you realize, and for Canon to ignore the "stupid people" market would be.... well..... stupid!
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Sharlin said:Snzkgb said:Please please make it to be 60-70mm pancake
I'm fairly sure "60-70mm" and "pancake" are mutually exclusive.
This is Pentax SMC-DA 70mm f/2.4
As you can see, it is a pancake.
So why Cannon couldn't make something like this?
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I'm not a big fan of pancakes. I prefer the lenses of the cupcake format.
So could lenses exist such as:
EF-S 8mm F4 Cupcake
EF-S 10mm F2.8 Cupcake
EF-S 15mm F2 Cupcake
EF-S 22mm F1.8 Cupcake
EF-S 30mm F1.4 Cupcake
EF-S 55mm F1.8 Cupcake
EF-S 85mm F2 Cupcake
Anyone else like cupcake?
So could lenses exist such as:
EF-S 8mm F4 Cupcake
EF-S 10mm F2.8 Cupcake
EF-S 15mm F2 Cupcake
EF-S 22mm F1.8 Cupcake
EF-S 30mm F1.4 Cupcake
EF-S 55mm F1.8 Cupcake
EF-S 85mm F2 Cupcake
Anyone else like cupcake?
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Obviously a long pancake is possible....Snzkgb said:Sharlin said:Snzkgb said:Please please make it to be 60-70mm pancake
I'm fairly sure "60-70mm" and "pancake" are mutually exclusive.
This is Pentax SMC-DA 70mm f/2.4
As you can see, it is a pancake.
So why Cannon couldn't make something like this?
The problem with long pancakes is that you have to bend the light more sharply, and the sharper you bend the light, the more problems you have with image quality, particularly chromatic aberration.... This is the reason why Canon makes all it's big whites so physically long....
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Don Haines said:
Pentax *Limited* lenses - no matter how tiny - are highly regarded and have *no issues* regarding optical quality. They may not be suitable for today's 50 MP and tomorrow's 100 MP sensors though. But for EF-S that's not on the plate anyways. So I remain convinced, that Canon could definitely build a 75 to 85mm/2.4 "pancake" lens for EF-S mount.
For EF M-mount it might be more difficult due to much shorter flange distance. But a "long pancake" should - hopefully - still be possible. With decent IQ and everything. And me plus possibly one or two other fellas will buy it!
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I don't think we should poo-poo the idea of a long lens ef-s, as a very major benefit would be the potential for much smaller size/weight.
It also makes sense business-wise for Canon, enabling it to price-stratify the market with a non-L long lens that might take the wind out of the 150-600 third party lens sales, but only apply to the crop sensors.
I'm not actually so optimistic as to think this is likely, but I do think it's sensical. In fact, having a crop version of a long lens makes a lot more sense than having a crop version of a short lens, as the relative benefits are greater.
I have a fantasy of the 7D3 paired in an kit with a 500mm f/5.6 ef-s L IS for $3500-$3800. Oh, and that would be optimized to work with the version III 1.4x teleconverter and exploit the new body's f/8 focusing capabilities. Sigma and Tamron would be back to the drawing board for the long side of the market. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. This is exactly how people become disappointed with Canon.
It also makes sense business-wise for Canon, enabling it to price-stratify the market with a non-L long lens that might take the wind out of the 150-600 third party lens sales, but only apply to the crop sensors.
I'm not actually so optimistic as to think this is likely, but I do think it's sensical. In fact, having a crop version of a long lens makes a lot more sense than having a crop version of a short lens, as the relative benefits are greater.
I have a fantasy of the 7D3 paired in an kit with a 500mm f/5.6 ef-s L IS for $3500-$3800. Oh, and that would be optimized to work with the version III 1.4x teleconverter and exploit the new body's f/8 focusing capabilities. Sigma and Tamron would be back to the drawing board for the long side of the market. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. This is exactly how people become disappointed with Canon.
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ExodistPhotography
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Kwwund said:
I have the Ef 35mm f/2 IS USM.. Its a fantastic lens.. Really good sharpness, excellent micro contrast and color reproduction. Plus it focuses accurately and consistent each time. I recommend it..
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Don Haines said:
You may want to take a look at the performance of the Pentax 70 mm f/2.4 pancake lens:
http://www.photozone.de/pentax/127-pentax-smc-da-70mm-f24-limited-review--test-report?start=1
- "As mentioned in the other pancake lens reviews this kind of lenses tend to produce a very even resolution across the frame and the Pentax DA 70mm f/2.4 Limited is no exception in this row. The center resolution is already excellent at f/2.4 whereas the borders and the outer corners follow on a very good level. At f/4 the quality is exceptionally high across the whole image frame and the peak is reached at around f/5.6."
- "Lateral chromatic aberrations (color shadows at harsh contrast transitions) are almost a non-issue for the Pentax specifically at large apertures. The problem increases a bit starting at f/5.6 to an average width of ~0.5px at the image borders but this is nothing to worry about in field conditions. As you may/will see in the sample image section the lens can also produce a slight degree of purple fringing (a color blooming effect) in extreme contrast situations."
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ExodistPhotography
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anden said:
LMBO, Canon is not going to create a but load of entry level primes. They are going to have the marketing department research what will sell the most. Look at the cost of making it and if it will turn a profit. Making crap load of primes for APS-C bodies is not happening. While some of us are an exception and use APS-C bodies in a professional manner. Most will not. Most APS-C users buy their DSLR and use it with the kit lens. Eventually some want better portraits so they get the 50mm f/1.8 STM. Or for those that need wider for indoor photos, they get the 24mm f/2.8 STM. Thats really it.. For those few other creatives, the 10-18mm STM and the 55-250mm STM fill all those niches.. Normally when those lens no longer suit their needs, the majority upgrade to full frame. Canon is simply not going to make lens that sit on the shelfs and collect dust for maybe 5% of the APS-C camera market.. For that 5%, there is plenty of great EF lenses to fill those gaps like the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM and countless others..
Now that said. The EF-S 10-22mm USM lens is up for a update and it is a special case lens as its one of the few if the ONLY enthusiast grade lens made for the EF-S mount. This is becuase it fills the gap for APS-C users that use higher end EF lenses on their APS-C bodies like say the 24-105mm L or 24-70. Thus the 10-22mm fills that gap and why it also cost more then $500 bucks..
Edit: I think technically the new EF-S 18-135mm Nano USM may be considered a enthusiast grade EF-S lens..
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If there were a 500/5.6 for APS-C only then I'd be willing to make a few compromises on say weather-sealing, minimum focus distance, max-magnification, flare-resistance and TC-performance in order to keep down cost.[email protected] said:
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ExodistPhotography
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Woody said:
Your comparing apples to oranges. You simply can not compare how a lens performs from one camera to the other becuase the sensors are also different. IIRC most of the latest Pentax APS-C cameras are only at 16mp. Which means they have a larger pixel pitch and will suffer less from chroma issues..
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Crosswind said:
Definitely makes sense and I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, I assume you're speaking of the 35mm f/2 IS? That is still like a $500 or $600 lens I believe. That's not terribly cheap in Rebel land. Also, while the size may not shrink that much, certainly the weight would be greatly reduced by using a lot less glass to cover the smaller sensor. Look at the EF-S 60mm as an example, that thing is light as a feather with a lot less glass. Either way, greatly reduces costs for Canon. This could be a $200 or so lens retail.
In any case, the 30mm something FL was just my best guess, vote. Could easily be wrong.
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