The Ramp Up to August Announcements is Starting [CR2]

[wsmith96]

I'm interested in what's coming, but not really wanting a 7D MK II. APS-C sensors are limited in light response, so a small improvement night happen, but who knows, I certainly hope that something big happens. At very least, the dual pixel sensor, and better / faster live AF.

I'm betting we'll see the 7D replacement and a few FF with DPAF around the 6D level. Maybe a both a 6D and 7D Mk II model. Maybe they'll call it the 6.50D to keep with rebel style naming....

 

[mackguyver]

My prediction on the 7D II is that it will be just like the 5DIII. The camera will NOT live up to the overwhelming hype and demand, but after some time passes, people will actually use the camera and realize that it is an amazing upgrade.

 

[unfocused]

If the pro dealers are involved, you can expect a prosumer DSLR at least.

Not holding my breath. FF is where Canon needs to fight back.

Expecting (hoping for ) 5DIV announcement end of 2014. Time line for that camera in August would of course be very nice.

Exactly why does Canon need to "fight back" on full frame cameras? The 1DX and the D4S are practically twins. The 5DIII and the 6D are both absolutely crushing their Nikon equivalents in sales.

If you are looking for a 5DIV announcement in August you better set your clock for 2016 at the earliest.

 

[unfocused]

My prediction on the 7D II is that it will be just like the 5DIII. The camera will NOT live up to the overwhelming hype and demand, but after some time passes, people will actually use the camera and realize that it is an amazing upgrade.

Agree with the sentiment, but not quite the story. The 5DIII exceeded expectations when it was released in all but one area – people didn't like the price.

Go back and look at some of the whining that occurred on this site prior to the release. The two most common threads at the time were 1) Canon is going to "cripple" the autofocus and 2) I don't need more megapixels, I want better high ISO performance but Canon is going to put too many megapixels in the sensor.

Canon exceeded expectations. People who bought the camera were thrilled. The same whiners have had to move on to new complaints. No matter what Canon releases, there is a subset of people on this forum who will whine.

 

[Maximilian]

My prediction on the 7D II is that it will be just like the 5DIII. The camera will NOT live up to the overwhelming hype and demand, but after some time passes, people will actually use the camera and realize that it is an amazing upgrade.

I see a lot of truth in these words. Well said, mackguyver.

 

[Tugela]

My prediction on the 7D II is that it will be just like the 5DIII. The camera will NOT live up to the overwhelming hype and demand, but after some time passes, people will actually use the camera and realize that it is an amazing upgrade.

DSLRs are already mature technology when it comes to stills, so improvements in that area are going to be incremental but not ground breaking. That is just how it is. To be honest, my old T3i is just fine for most applications, so what more would a new camera offer, besides improved low light performance? For most applications going from an image being 97% perfect to 98% perfect is not a critical difference.

The biggest advances will come in treating cameras as integrated imaging systems that can perform all tasks well. That would include things like video and data/system integration with other devices. So I think that is where you will see most of the big advances in a new camera such as the 7D2 or 5D4. Particularly, this will probably involve the video capabilities, since current Canon DSLRs are fairly crude in this regard. Cameras such as the GH4 and a7S are where the future lies, not cameras like the traditional Canon/Nikon instruments. The biggest question really is whether Canon will embrace the future with their new cameras, or if they will be like Nikon and embrace the past.

 

[dadgummit]

My hope is for a dual pixel sensor, with all of the live view and video capabilites as the 70D.

Add some of the same goodies that the 2-year-old 5d3 has like weather sealing, raw video, raw hdr, dual card slots, etc. but make sure to keep the 100% optical VF and the flash that fits around it.

20mp is fine (though the competition seems to be favoring 24mp) with hopefully a little better hi ISO noise (I know it is not going to be full frame but technology marches on.

Give it the 5d3's af system which is just amazing in its accuracy and speed. Please please leave the steaming pile of 70D af system far behind!!

Give it dual processors and 7+ FPS

 

[jrista]

Ummm....no.....we can't. ;D

+1000000000000000000000000000000000
;D

Cubed

Cubed. How quaint. I'll factorial that, please!

Joking aside, I'm interested to see what, if anything, Canon has done with their sensor tech. I am really, truly hoping that Canon isn't just stuffing a bunch of video-related "improvements" into the 7D II. I'm hoping it gets some significant stills photography enhancements, preferably a fully integrated sensor design: on-die CP-ADC, on-die Digital CDS, DPAF, and maybe stacked pixels (i.e. Foveon style). I think that would finally send a message that Canon still has the necessary oomph to take back the sensor IQ crown, with high DR and better color fidelity than the competition.

Maybe then these forums could finally ditch the persistent Nikon fanatics and actually have some more interesting conversations for once. Maybe about ART, rather than technology.

 

[wockawocka]

A 7Dii most likely and possibly the announcement of the higher megapixel cam (if one even exists).

A new 50mm to compliment the body, yeah I can see that.

But with the 1DX only 2 years old, (I got one of the first in the UK two years ago next week) and with the 5D3 being a similar age I cannot see revised versions of these until next year.

I was one of those 1ds3 users who waited over 4 years for the full frame pro body announcement.

Market wise I don't believe Canon is suffering, Nikon and Sony are, Canon? Nope.

 

[Maiaibing]

Exactly why does Canon need to "fight back" on full frame cameras? The 5DIII and the 6D are both absolutely crushing their Nikon equivalents in sales.

Do you buy your camera equipment according to their sales figures?

My purchases are directed by my needs as a photographer. I did not buy the 5DIII after extensive testing - because it just did not bring anything useful to me. So for my money Canon will have to "fight back" or my next DSLR will not be a Canon unless I have a 5DII break down. Simple as that.

YMMV.

 

[privatebydesign]

Exactly why does Canon need to "fight back" on full frame cameras? The 5DIII and the 6D are both absolutely crushing their Nikon equivalents in sales.

Do you buy your camera equipment according to their sales figures?

My purchases are directed by my needs as a photographer. I did not buy the 5DIII after extensive testing - because it just did not bring anything useful to me. So for my money Canon will have to "fight back" or my next DSLR will not be a Canon unless I have a 5DII break down. Simple as that.

YMMV.

What would you consider a "fighting back" feature? As far as I can see the only thing the 5D MkIII doesn't do significantly better than the 5D MkII is low iso shadows, even then it is better, just not significantly better. And seeing as how the "best" competitors are only performing a stop or so better in this one metric I'd like to know what you, personally, would like from Canon. Also, what are you shooting that negates every other improvement in the MkIII over the MkII.

 

[unfocused]

Exactly why does Canon need to "fight back" on full frame cameras? The 5DIII and the 6D are both absolutely crushing their Nikon equivalents in sales.

Do you buy your camera equipment according to their sales figures?

My purchases are directed by my needs as a photographer. I did not buy the 5DIII after extensive testing - because it just did not bring anything useful to me. So for my money Canon will have to "fight back" or my next DSLR will not be a Canon unless I have a 5DII break down. Simple as that.

YMMV.

What would you consider a "fighting back" feature? As far as I can see the only thing the 5D MkIII doesn't do significantly better than the 5D MkII is low iso shadows, even then it is better, just not significantly better. And seeing as how the "best" competitors are only performing a stop or so better in this one metric I'd like to know what you, personally, would like from Canon. Also, what are you shooting that negates every other improvement in the MkIII over the MkII.

Exactly.

And, no I don't buy anything based on sales figures. But I also don't presume my individual preferences determine a company's strategy. The statement that Canon needs to "fight back" implies they are losing some sort of competition and I pointed to their sales figures because they indicate just the opposite; and ultimately that is the only competition that really matters.

It's perfectly understandable to state that you were comfortable with your 5DII and for your purposes the current generation of full frame cameras didn't offer enough improvement to justify trading up. But, there is a world of difference between that statement and concluding that Canon needs to fight back.

 

[chanceslost]

Maybe then these forums could finally ditch the persistent Nikon fanatics and actually have some more interesting conversations for once. Maybe about ART, rather than technology.

Right, if we stop arguing about sensors, we can focus on Sigma ART vs. Canon L lenses. ;D

 

[NancyP]

Anxiously awaiting the 7D2, hoping that it will be "1DX-lite" AF (fewer points needed) with f/8 AF, better high ISO performance, and 8-10 fps with really deep RAW buffer, 30 RAW would be nice.

ART, what? Sigma? What'shisname that posts here? Oh, THAT art......... I am having a little fun with a haul of used photo books (monographs and curated multi-photographer exhibits) that just showed up at my local bookstore. Good rainy day occupation.

 

[saveyourmoment]

imo if Canon would like to nail it, then they should show a Sony A7r with the technology and AF of the 1DX... that would be an earthquake in the camera business...

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Exactly why does Canon need to "fight back" on full frame cameras? The 5DIII and the 6D are both absolutely crushing their Nikon equivalents in sales.

Do you buy your camera equipment according to their sales figures?

My purchases are directed by my needs as a photographer. I did not buy the 5DIII after extensive testing - because it just did not bring anything useful to me. So for my money Canon will have to "fight back" or my next DSLR will not be a Canon unless I have a 5DII break down. Simple as that.

YMMV.

What would you consider a "fighting back" feature? As far as I can see the only thing the 5D MkIII doesn't do significantly better than the 5D MkII is low iso shadows, even then it is better, just not significantly better. And seeing as how the "best" competitors are only performing a stop or so better in this one metric I'd like to know what you, personally, would like from Canon. Also, what are you shooting that negates every other improvement in the MkIII over the MkII.

Exactly.

And, no I don't buy anything based on sales figures. But I also don't presume my individual preferences determine a company's strategy. The statement that Canon needs to "fight back" implies they are losing some sort of competition and I pointed to their sales figures because they indicate just the opposite; and ultimately that is the only competition that really matters.

It's perfectly understandable to state that you were comfortable with your 5DII and for your purposes the current generation of full frame cameras didn't offer enough improvement to justify trading up. But, there is a world of difference between that statement and concluding that Canon needs to fight back.

How dare you bring sound logic to this debate... LOL

 

[StudentOfLight]

These would peak my interest...

"EOS 7D-II" - $2,200 (Shutter rating 300,000 shots)

DPAF 16.2Mp @ 11fps, (Min. RAW buffer 26), 61pt AF system
ISO 100-25,600 (decent IQ up to ISO 3200)
Integrated battery grip, LP-E4N
CFast 2.0, HDMI 2.0, Wifi+GPS, Headphone out
Video: 1920x1080 96p, 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p 24p

"EOS 4D-R" - $4,500 (Shutter rating 400,000 shots)

DPAF 29.5Mp @ 8fps, (Min. RAW buffer 22), New AF system
ISO range: 100-25,600 (decent IQ up to ISO 6,400)
Integrated Battery Grip, LP-E4N
Built-in Speedlite Radio Transmitter
CFast 2.0, HDMI 2.0, Gigabit LAN, Headphone out
Video: UWTV 4K, DCI 4K, HDR video, Slow motion, FHD crop video modes
And because the fourth dimension is time, programmable intervalometer function ;D

 

[wockawocka]

A compact 1DX would be immense.

 

[Larry]

Maybe then these forums could finally ditch the persistent Nikon fanatics and actually have some more interesting conversations for once. Maybe about ART, rather than technology.

With all due respect (which is plenty, …for your many informative posts about technology , "Canon Rumors" is the place for art-rather-than-technology discussions because, …? ???

 

[Lee Jay]

These would peak my interest...

"EOS 7D-II" - $2,200 (Shutter rating 300,000 shots)

DPAF 16.2Mp @ 11fps, (Min. RAW buffer 26), 61pt AF system
ISO 100-25,600 (decent IQ up to ISO 3200)
Integrated battery grip, LP-E4N
CFast 2.0, HDMI 2.0, Wifi+GPS, Headphone out
Video: 1920x1080 96p, 60p, 50p, 30p, 25p 24p

"EOS 4D-R" - $4,500 (Shutter rating 400,000 shots)

DPAF 29.5Mp @ 8fps, (Min. RAW buffer 22), New AF system
ISO range: 100-25,600 (decent IQ up to ISO 6,400)
Integrated Battery Grip, LP-E4N
Built-in Speedlite Radio Transmitter
CFast 2.0, HDMI 2.0, Gigabit LAN, Headphone out
Video: UWTV 4K, DCI 4K, HDR video, Slow motion, FHD crop video modes
And because the fourth dimension is time, programmable intervalometer function ;D

Wow...

An integrated battery grip would...make me consider switching to another brand, I suppose.