Three New Tilt-Shift Lenses on the Way [CR2]

[Drainpipe]

I don't typically post on here, just lurk, but this rumor has me so excited. A TS macro, even if was only 1:1 would be absolutely game changing. This is one time that I am crossing my fingers that Canon has something truly unique up their sleeve. The ability to be off-angle from the subject and be able to tilt down would be so useful as a macro photographer. All I do is shoot macro, so here's to hoping! (http://www.instagram.com/macrobrice)

In my daydream fantasy-land this should be a TS-E MP-E 90mm that can go up to 3x and supports the MT-24EX. Totally unrealilistic, but I can dream 8)

 

[rrcphoto]

This rumor I think is puzzling.

for starters, we know the three lenses are made in Malaysia.

that part of this is not rumor. that's fact. it was right from the registration information about the lenses themselves.

So we know they aren't going to be high end EF lenses. even an high end EF or EF-s is doubtful considering the complexity of designing the increased registration distance, and/or increased view for shifting.

they certainly aren't going to be "in my wildest fantasy... " lenses.

however, canon *could* make a series of T/S lenses for the EF-M mount relatively easily using existing EF lens designs.

does canon do the unexpected and offers the 28 1.8,35 2.0,50 1.8 as T/E lenses on the EF-M mount?

I could see those being made in Malaysia considering the relatively simplistic design criteria.

or the T/S part of this rumor is just rumor, and it turns out to be another EF-M lens in three colors.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Yes, three colors and then the complaining starts. ;D

Jack

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

We did see a Canon patent for image Stabilization on a Tilt-Shift. It seems unlikely to me, I wonder.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/05/29/canon-patent-shows-off-what-could-be-the-worlds-first-image-stabilized-tilt


"A new patent from Canon, published yesterday, lays the groundwork for what would be the first tilt-shift lens to offer built-in image stabilization if produced. Discovered by Egami (translated), the patent was originally filed back in November of 2013. In its text and illustrations, the patent focuses on how image stabilization would be possible inside of a tilt-shift lens. It does not, however, explain a specific optical formula. Unlike most other optical image stabilization lenses, which use a single group of stabilized elements, this particular patent details two separate groups of elements that would be stabilized. Although this was not confirmed in the text of the patent, we presume this dual-group stabilization is needed for both the tilt and shift to operate independently of one another while still being stabilized."

 

[ecqns]

As a an architectural photographer - more TS-E lenses please. I'd like something wider than the 17mm - whatever it would cost, I'd love to trade the 11-24 for it. Then a 35mm and a something like an 85-90mm. Architecture is one of the intended used for this series right?

 

[stevelee]

I don't typically post on here, just lurk, but this rumor has me so excited. A TS macro, even if was only 1:1 would be absolutely game changing.

Please pardon my ignorance. What would be the point of a TS macro? I think I could imagine a tilt giving more area in focus if the subject is at an oblique angle to the camera. I can't imagine any reason I'd want the shift, though.

 

[rrcphoto]

As a an architectural photographer - more TS-E lenses please. I'd like something wider than the 17mm - whatever it would cost, I'd love to trade the 11-24 for it. Then a 35mm and a something like an 85-90mm. Architecture is one of the intended used for this series right?

use an EOS-M + EF shift adapter with your 11-24mm. you'll be stuck most likely with wide open, but that would work.

and be cheaper and smaller than the same as a T/S

 

[slclick]

Possibly the rumor is incorrect?


3 new TS lenses, both 45 & 90 get refreshed, maybe L maybe not, plus a new FL. That's my hunch.

Bingo!

 

[ecqns]

As a an architectural photographer - more TS-E lenses please. I'd like something wider than the 17mm - whatever it would cost, I'd love to trade the 11-24 for it. Then a 35mm and a something like an 85-90mm. Architecture is one of the intended used for this series right?

use an EOS-M + EF shift adapter with your 11-24mm. you'll be stuck most likely with wide open, but that would work.

and be cheaper and smaller than the same as a T/S

This wouldn't help since I'm shooting Sony. I use the 11-24 only in emergency tight spaces, I really do not enjoy it though. If it could be done I think a 14mm TS-E would be very beneficial to photographers like me.

 

[privatebydesign]

.... Then a 35mm.....

The 24 and 1.4 TC make a very high quality 34mm, there is no way on earth Canon are going to make a TS-E 35mm because they know that even though it is not officially supported it works perfectly well.

 

[symmar22]

.... Then a 35mm.....

The 24 and 1.4 TC make a very high quality 34mm, there is no way on earth Canon are going to make a TS-E 35mm because they know that even though it is not officially supported it works perfectly well.

Yes the 1.4 TC works with all TS-E lenses, however, I would not call the 24 TS-E L II + 1.4 TC combination a very high quality lens. I have all 4 current TS-E lenses and I would say 75% of my pictures are made with them for my work, in interior and architecture. Although they are all very good lenses, they are not without flaws.

The 17mm is very bad at handling flares, the 24mm is better a flare but shows quite a bit of blue / yellow fringing, the 45mm is quite sharp but has brutal cyan / red fringing (plus purple when you shift), and has a strong field curvature, finally the 90mm is the one that still has the most balanced behaviour, no fringing, flat field and still very good sharpness from corner to corner; I wish sometimes it could have a little bit more crispness, like the 135mm f2 (@ f5.6/8).

I do use them (on a 5DSr) with the TC 1.4 III, when I have to (except for the 17mm), but only when I have no choice. The 24mm + TC 1.4 is the combination that suffers the most, with noticeably softer borders and the blue/yellow fringing of the 24 TS-E II is even more apparent.

Strangely there is less IQ loss on the 45mm (the fringing is so bad on that lens, the 1.4 doesn't change much) and almost no penalty on the 90mm (aside from a very slight sharpness loss).

I would love Canon to replace the 45mm with a 35-40mm AND a 55-60mm

 

[GMCPhotographics]

If you were only going to buy a pair of TSe lenses...then either a 24mm and a 50mm or a 17mm and a 35mm would make a lot of sense. A three way combo would split well too. 24mm/50mm/100mm or a 17mm/35mm/70mm.

 

[wojtek]

The TS-E 45mm f/2.8 and TS-E 90mm f/2.8 were both announced in April 1991

I own all good TS lenses (17mm, 24mm mk2 and 90mm) and in my opinion this is the new 45 mm. The angle of the hood is exactly between the deep 90mm hood and the very shallow 24mm hood and the main reason to do the 45mm first is that is the worst lens ever in terms of chromatic abberation. Anyone who had and sold the 45ts will confirm it.

the 90mm ts on the other hand is my favourite studio lens, very near to a absolute perfection in many aspects, although old, I don't see any reason that I would need to update it. Extremely sharp on my 5dsr, great reliable work horse for any tripod related photography

 

[privatebydesign]

.... Then a 35mm.....

The 24 and 1.4 TC make a very high quality 34mm, there is no way on earth Canon are going to make a TS-E 35mm because they know that even though it is not officially supported it works perfectly well.

Yes the 1.4 TC works with all TS-E lenses, however, I would not call the 24 TS-E L II + 1.4 TC combination a very high quality lens. I have all 4 current TS-E lenses and I would say 75% of my pictures are made with them for my work, in interior and architecture. Although they are all very good lenses, they are not without flaws.

The 17mm is very bad at handling flares, the 24mm is better a flare but shows quite a bit of blue / yellow fringing, the 45mm is quite sharp but has brutal cyan / red fringing (plus purple when you shift), and has a strong field curvature, finally the 90mm is the one that still has the most balanced behaviour, no fringing, flat field and still very good sharpness from corner to corner; I wish sometimes it could have a little bit more crispness, like the 135mm f2 (@ f5.6/8).

I do use them (on a 5DSr) with the TC 1.4 III, when I have to (except for the 17mm), but only when I have no choice. The 24mm + TC 1.4 is the combination that suffers the most, with noticeably softer borders and the blue/yellow fringing of the 24 TS-E II is even more apparent.

Strangely there is less IQ loss on the 45mm (the fringing is so bad on that lens, the 1.4 doesn't change much) and almost no penalty on the 90mm (aside from a very slight sharpness loss).

I would love Canon to replace the 45mm with a 35-40mm AND a 55-60mm

I didn't say they were not without their flaws, but the 17 and 24 MkII are very high quality lenses and the IQ from the 24 plus a 1.4 TC is still very high, indeed the 24 MkII and 2xTC have higher IQ than the bare TS-E24 MkI and many used that happily for years.

Let's not forget, if we are interested, the very concept of a retro focus tilt shift lens is extremely problematic from a design point of view and the TS-E17, whilst it might show inevitable defects the harder it is pushed, is a world class lens without equal. One of the reasons I got the 17 was because the IQ from it with the 1.4 TC is still much higher than the 24 MkI.

Indeed Canon themselves say the highest IQ you can get in an ultrawide from them is to stitch a four shot rotation from the TS-E 17 and crop the corners, do that with a 50 MP camera and you have a 150MP 45mm x 65mm ish sensor. I don't believe anybody but the most extreme specialist of users is going to find that lacking in IQ.

Sure we can all say 'it isn't high enough quality for my needs' but that isn't what Canon care about, what they care about is if there is a market, how big it is, and if they can exploit it. I don't see any way they are going to come out with a TS-E 35 when the IQ from the 24 plus 1.4 TC is as good as it is and most users are more than happy with it, it makes the already small market for these lenses even smaller.

 

[rrcphoto]

As a an architectural photographer - more TS-E lenses please. I'd like something wider than the 17mm - whatever it would cost, I'd love to trade the 11-24 for it. Then a 35mm and a something like an 85-90mm. Architecture is one of the intended used for this series right?

use an EOS-M + EF shift adapter with your 11-24mm. you'll be stuck most likely with wide open, but that would work.

and be cheaper and smaller than the same as a T/S

This wouldn't help since I'm shooting Sony.

then wait for sony to come out with a T/S.

lower than 17mm is stupid crazy. do you realize how complicated that would be?

 

[Loswr]

then wait for sony to come out with a T/S.

They're going to announce it on the 6th Tuesday in November.

 

[ecqns]

then wait for sony to come out with a T/S.

lower than 17mm is stupid crazy. do you realize how complicated that would be?
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If Sony did come out with a TS-E series and it was better than Canon - I'd buy them. But right now Canon has the best wide angle TS-Es and Sony makes the best camera for DR and architecture so that's what I'm using. I don't care about brands - I use what's best for my needs. It would be foolish for any professional to think otherwise.
I don't think its unreasonable to think a wider than 17mm TS-E is possible and marketable. Those that need it would pay what it costs. Both the 17mm and 11-24 were a little over $3k when they came out so money isn't really an issue if the product is worth it.

 

[hendrik-sg]

I Think the TS/E 17 is very close to the border what is doable, visible at the extreamly bulbous front element. one of it's worst flaws is the extreme vignetting when shifted, which is difficult to correct, because the Software can not know how much it was shifted. So when shifting it to the extremes, it is better stopped down to f8 to reduce vignetting and incresase sharpness.

One should be aware that whis it's huge Image circle it's a equivalent 11mm f2.5 lens for a crop factor 0.61 sensor size which is really extreme.

So i would be really surprised if there would be a 12-14mm TS/E lens, and if it would be a f5.6 or even slower lens.

I would not buy this one, because already the 17mm shifted lens gives very bad dDomain of Fisheye projections in my opinion, which can be changed by "Fisheye Hemi" to quite nice and less fishy looking projections.

The 8-15 fisheye gives nice possibilities for a relatively competitive price.

 

[Maximilian]

then wait for sony to come out with a T/S.

They're going to announce it on the 6th Tuesday in November.

Which year/decade/century?

 

[Antono Refa]

As a an architectural photographer - more TS-E lenses please. I'd like something wider than the 17mm - whatever it would cost, I'd love to trade the 11-24 for it. Then a 35mm and a something like an 85-90mm. Architecture is one of the intended used for this series right?

use an EOS-M + EF shift adapter with your 11-24mm. you'll be stuck most likely with wide open, but that would work.

and be cheaper and smaller than the same as a T/S

Per B&H, the Canon EF 11-24mm costs $2,799 and the TS-E 17mm costs $2,149.

That's $600 more expensive, before taking into account the price of a shift adapter, and that a crop lens should be cheaper than a FF lens.