What I forgot in my first post:Canon Rumors said:
Make it USM
. Don't make it STM. Otherwise I'm out 
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Make it USM
. Don't make it STM. Otherwise I'm out Maximilian said:What I forgot in my first post:Canon Rumors said:
Make it USM
Actually, I do like STM lenses. They work well enough on my 5D III (not only in live view mode, but also in regular Phase-AF mode) and they work much better on my EOS-M (via adapter) than USM lenses do. And I like how well those STM lenses demonstrate that focus rings on AF lenses are an antiquated relict that should be jettisoned as soon as possible.
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Understood!AvTvM said:Maximilian said:What I forgot in my first post:Canon Rumors said:
Make it USM
Actually, I do like STM lenses. They work well enough on my 5D III (not only in live view mode, but also in regular Phase-AF mode) and they work much better on my EOS-M (via adapter) than USM lenses do. And I like how well those STM lenses demonstrate that focus rings on AF lenses are an antiquated relict that should be jettisoned as soon as possible.
But there are those mid-range lenses like the 35/2 IS USM with that USM, right?
And until now there is no L lens with STM, right?
And there is a reason for that, right?
And that reason is the same, why I still prefer USM.
It's the same reason why I didn't buy that 50/1.8 STM. Because I am willing to wait for that
50/1.whatever withorwithout IS USM, too.
And if that's not comming from Canon, I think I'll turn toward the Art lenses.
But right now I still can wait and see...
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As far as pure DSLR-lenses go, I prefer the "high-end" Canon Ring-USM AF drive too ... as used in most L lenses.
But the cheapo type "USM" implementation in some mid-price EF lenses - e.g. in the EF 50/1.4 - is clearly inferior to STM.
I do expect an EF 85/1.8 Mk. II update or successor [85/1.4 as good as and priced like Sigma 8) ] to come with Ring-USM. But I would not buy it, since I prefer to use my 70-200/2.8 as a more universal lens.
On the other hand, I would be highly interested in a EF-M 85/1.8 STM IS portrait lens ... provided it was as compact, optically good and priceworthy as all other EF-M lenses.
But the cheapo type "USM" implementation in some mid-price EF lenses - e.g. in the EF 50/1.4 - is clearly inferior to STM.
I do expect an EF 85/1.8 Mk. II update or successor [85/1.4 as good as and priced like Sigma 8) ] to come with Ring-USM. But I would not buy it, since I prefer to use my 70-200/2.8 as a more universal lens.
On the other hand, I would be highly interested in a EF-M 85/1.8 STM IS portrait lens ... provided it was as compact, optically good and priceworthy as all other EF-M lenses.
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100% agree.AvTvM said:
But the days of the "micro-USM" are gone. See the mid-range WA primes Canon released lately.
So why longing for STM when you see you can get USM (real ring USM; and of course as long as you're not into video).
But if Canon was thinking that way I wouldn't have a 35/2 IS USM to compare with.
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I like the STM for general photography. I rather like the noise it makes; it's a sort of futuristic, positive sound, and is quite reassuring that something is actually happening when you press focus.
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Noise from STM? ??? You must be referring to the pancakes, which has limited the mechanism by compact size. :Sporgon said:I like the STM for general photography. I rather like the noise it makes; it's a sort of futuristic, positive sound, and is quite reassuring that something is actually happening when you press focus.
When I used the 18-55mm STM for the first time, I thought it was defective because I pressed the shutter button, and immediately the image was focused.
Very fast, and very quiet. I've never been able to hear any noise of the lens 18-55mm STM, and 55-250mm STM.
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Lee Jay said:
That you're using that Sigma says a lot. It would be a monster of a lens for most APS-C users. Personally I pair the 40mm pancake with my 6D all of the time. I love it. It's a very convenient, light setup that I can sling over my shoulder and forget, or shoot holding a flash in the other hand if I like. It's nice.
That said - a 22/2 would be most welcome - when I starting shooting with a 600D years ago, I found the cost and size of L primes prohibitive. I don't know why Canon or Nikon have not gotten around to creating a range of EF-S primes for their more consumer market. Fuji's mirrorless systems are doing really well based off of the fact that they are making lot's of nice compact lenses based on the smaller sensor.
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I'd expect it will be much better because they can put the Blue Spectrum Refractive Optics on it; in terms of handling aberration atleast- and I think that's what the current 85's major problem is. Lens is tack sharp already, better vignetting than my 35mm IS. Maybe it will have a 67mm filter size if they put IS on it. Both USM or STM would be fine though I prefer the former.switters said:
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I rather stick to a lightweight f1.8 IS with similar performance to the 35mm f2 IS and 67mm filter threat so I can use my current filters. ;DMaximilian said:
An 85mm f1.4 will be heavier, more expensive and very close to the 85L, no sense.
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lw said:
I think the reverse will happen, FF is not as interesting to me anymore now that APS-C have such good ISO performance, I really enjoy the extra reach on my 70D and sold my FF. I have a lighter and smaller setup.
An 85mm IS would be AMAZING on a crop. It would be 136mm IS in a very small size.
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Nininini said:
aps-c isn't that much smaller.. minimal differences.. and you're talking more about lenses here. They aren't any lighter except for the few worthy ef-s lenses. also, you try to make any large prints at 300dpi and you're quickly limited, especially with cropping. I think aps-c is becoming better, no question about that, and that FF is becoming more common and affordable for the average joe. if you want to go smaller, that's fine. but I believe larger sensors are the future for any photographer.. even phone camera sensors are getting larger. last thing.. i don't like smaller/lighter camera bodies because of the imbalance of it and the lenses. granted the 70D is a perfect medium. My friend's 50D and 5D feels so right in the hands particularly with a larger lens.
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ajfotofilmagem said:Noise from STM? ??? You must be referring to the pancakes, which has limited the mechanism by compact size. :Sporgon said:I like the STM for general photography. I rather like the noise it makes; it's a sort of futuristic, positive sound, and is quite reassuring that something is actually happening when you press focus.
When I used the 18-55mm STM for the first time, I thought it was defective because I pressed the shutter button, and immediately the image was focused.
Yes I am !
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A lot of them are almost silent, agree again.AvTvM said:
But if your 40/2.8 STM is silent, then there must have been a redesign of the drive between yours and mine (yes, I have STM lenses, too
) or Canon should look at their QC because I can hear mine really well And though STM is a really good price performer I still wish that Canon is offering ring USM to more mid-range
lenses, esp. to the 85/1.8 successor as this is one of my most popular primes focal lengths and I want the AF as fast as possible
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I would REALLY welcome the addition of IS to the longer primes (85mm and 135mm). An 85mm 1.8 IS for $599 sounds about right.
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Two good news... oops, rumors!
The EF-M 22mm F/2 is one of the very few thing I miss about my (now sold) EOS M, so I would probably consider switching from my current 24mm F/2.8 to this newcomer, and a 85mm F/1.8 IS would be a very interesting portrait lens both on APS-C and Full Frame.
The EF-M 22mm F/2 is one of the very few thing I miss about my (now sold) EOS M, so I would probably consider switching from my current 24mm F/2.8 to this newcomer, and a 85mm F/1.8 IS would be a very interesting portrait lens both on APS-C and Full Frame.
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I don't know how many would agree with me but I think Canon has been killing it with their lens releases in the last few years. Some truly epic performers has put Canon in great stead lens wise.
The day Canon releases a body again that made the same impact as the 5Dii, 1DX and 7D original, Canon's system will be the undisputed king of the hill
The day Canon releases a body again that made the same impact as the 5Dii, 1DX and 7D original, Canon's system will be the undisputed king of the hill
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Canon primes have been killing it recently. While I'm partial to Zeiss primes for a few reasons (not all technical, since I think Canon makes killer glass), there are some real benefits to having autofocus for those longer ones. I have Zeiss for 50mm and below, but still use a Canon 85mm 1.8 and 135L at the long end. I'd been thinking about switching to the Zeiss 85mm this winter, but if Canon drops this lens with a smooth focus ring, I'll definitely stay with the Canon.
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