Two New Full Frame Cameras in 2014? [CR1]

[Woody]

Latest informationen from Canon Japan:

The new EOS 1 body will have two CF card slots (none of them are CFast slots).

Don´t expect a big megapixel camera or a medium format camera in 2014. But expect more than 18 megapixels, dual pixel tech., a bigger camera display and better IQ.

Canon Japan drop hints on future EOS 1 body? Seriously?

 

[J.R.]

Latest informationen from Canon Japan:

The new EOS 1 body will have two CF card slots (none of them are CFast slots).

Don´t expect a big megapixel camera or a medium format camera in 2014. But expect more than 18 megapixels, dual pixel tech., a bigger camera display and better IQ.

Canon Japan drop hints on future EOS 1 body? Seriously?

The CR Oracle (albeit with a rather low success rate) has spoken : ... now it is for Canon to deliver.

BTW, Correct me if I'm wrong ... doesn't the current EOS-1DX have two CF card slots? so what is this "new" stuff are you talking about?

 

[M.ST]

I don´t need to talk about new gear because I have it.

 

[Don Haines]

I wouldn't want to be too quick on that as a lot of the material I've seen here and the "wow, cool" means a lot of junk is praised when it shouldn't be.

On the the point of "Images" good or bad, most people that actually post images on CR do so because they want to share these Images with other like minded people, not all the Images Posted are or claim to be "Ansel Adams" quality, they don't need to be, most post Images for constructive feed back in an endeavour to better their Photography, and most people that understand this give constructive criticism, constructive criticism is not the same as your comment above, your comment, unfortunately, is just plain bad manners.

And yes, often less than stellar Images receive positive reviews from people on CR, it's called "being positive", or "being nice", which seems to me to be so much easier than the opposite, which in case I need to spell it out, is "being negative" or "being an arsehole".

Well said!

BTW, has dilbert ever posted photos his masterpieces of artwork on CR?

Why would I want to?

Because regardless of how good or bad they are, you'd all just rip it to shreds anyway.

I'm sure I won't be doing that regardless of who took them because an image might mean nothing to you but may mean the world to the person who made it. Nevertheless, IMHO it is poor form to call someone's images junk while not posting your own.

And sometimes we post images for other reasons. I have seen a number of low quality images posted with questions like "can anyone identify this bird?". Last week I posted 4 images of very low quality of a bald eagle killing a goose and asked if anyone had seen this behavior before.... The images were crap and blown up from about 50 pixels in the centre of the image, but I learned from the responses...

 

[Don Haines]

That said, color reproduction in the digital world is 99% post-process mathematics...tone curves and camera profiles and custom color channel tuning. Color accuracy, or achieving a personal aesthetic color style, has very little to do with out of camera color these days.

And you know this because...?

How about you know this by definition. In the digital world, things are digital. You do not get colors or brightness out of a digital camera, you get bits of information. You process those bits with mathematics. You send those numbers to disks for storage. You send those numbers to output devices for display or printing.... It is all about mathematics....

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I wouldn't want to be too quick on that as a lot of the material I've seen here and the "wow, cool" means a lot of junk is praised when it shouldn't be.

On the the point of "Images" good or bad, most people that actually post images on CR do so because they want to share these Images with other like minded people, not all the Images Posted are or claim to be "Ansel Adams" quality, they don't need to be, most post Images for constructive feed back in an endeavour to better their Photography, and most people that understand this give constructive criticism, constructive criticism is not the same as your comment above, your comment, unfortunately, is just plain bad manners.

And yes, often less than stellar Images receive positive reviews from people on CR, it's called "being positive", or "being nice", which seems to me to be so much easier than the opposite, which in case I need to spell it out, is "being negative" or "being an arsehole".

Well said!

BTW, has dilbert ever posted photos his masterpieces of artwork on CR?

Why would I want to?

Because regardless of how good or bad they are, you'd all just rip it to shreds anyway.

I'm sure I won't be doing that regardless of who took them because an image might mean nothing to you but may mean the world to the person who made it. Nevertheless, IMHO it is poor form to call someone's images junk while not posting your own.

+1 ... why should we "just rip" someone's photos "to shreds"? ... if one cannot praise or offer constructive criticism, the least we can do is refrain from insulting someone's work. What surprises me the most is that some people are willing to argue/counter argue about every "technical aspect" of photography or how a particular sensor can give better DR or whatever, trying hard to prove that they are right ... surely, if one can argue that much about everything under the sun, they can easily post a few images to prove their point ... if they post some images to show how the DR in the image made by a Sony sensor cannot be matched with a Canon camera + lenses, I'd be happy to change my mind ... but the DR fanboys never seem to back their tall claims with any photos they'e made ... maybe they are just ignorant of the saying "a picture speaks a thousand words".

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I'm sure I won't be doing that regardless of who took them because an image might mean nothing to you but may mean the world to the person who made it. Nevertheless, IMHO it is poor form to call someone's images junk while not posting your own.

Does a movie critic need to make their own movie in order to comment on a movie?
Do food critics need to offer up their own food in order to be accepted?
And so on.
The world is full of people offering up opinions on whatever without providing their own for comment on just about every topic imaginable. Get over it.

A food/movie critic is paid or/pays for the food/movie he eats/watches ... nobody in CR paid you and nor have you paid them to be their critic ... I thought you were just rude, but seems like you are also an enemy to humility. Everything you say here sounds so artificial and lacks any credibility, no wonder so many people are shocked at your rather immature and unnecessary comment.

Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real - Thomas Merton

 

[J.R.]

Does a movie critic need to make their own movie in order to comment on a movie?
Do food critics need to offer up their own food in order to be accepted?
And so on.
The world is full of people offering up opinions on whatever without providing their own for comment on just about every topic imaginable. Get over it.

Oh, I didn't realize you were offering an unsolicited critique to jrista's photos, in which case it is nothing short of a personal attack because his photos are not "junk" (not to me at least). Maybe you need an eye exam.

Commenting on photo on CR to movie / food critics ... clutching straws are we? Movie / food critics exist as a source of information (whether biased or unbiased) for prospective customers of a particular product. I don't understand, was jrista selling something which you were critiquing and coming up with the "junk" opinion?

As far as your comments regarding movie critics, the only thing that comes to mind after reading your post is ... Rotten Tomatoes ... hell, it could even be Pure Mashed Potatoes!

I'm with Eldar on this one ... you join as a member of my ignore list.

 

[J.R.]

I don´t need to talk about new gear because I have it.

Excellent ... so can you please post the photo of your EF-1200mm lens taken with the new EOS-1 body?

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Oh, I didn't realize you were offering an unsolicited critique to jrista's photos, in which case it is nothing short of a personal attack because his photos are not "junk" (not to me at least). Maybe you need an eye exam.

Commenting on photo on CR to movie / food critics ... clutching straws are we? Movie / food critics exist as a source of information (whether biased or unbiased) for prospective customers of a particular product. I don't understand, was jrista selling something which you were critiquing and coming up with the "junk" opinion?

As far as your comments regarding movie critics, the only thing that comes to mind after reading your post is ... Rotten Tomatoes ... hell, it could even be Pure Mashed Potatoes!

I'm with Eldar on this one ... you join as a member of my ignore list.

Well said! ... More than an eye exam, me thinks he is in desperate need of a sensor change to correct his DR (Dumb Responses) ;D

 

[Loswr]

I don´t need to talk about new gear because I have it.

If you 'don't need to talk' about it, why are you constantly doing so? The possible answers are:

1) You have new/prototype gear, and you can't talk about it because you signed an NDA (but if that were true, public blabbing like this would mean Canon would cut you off),

2) You have new/prototype gear, and Canon has authorized you to 'leak' information (in which case the frequency of your posts and the absurdity of some of your statements, such as Canon letting you permanently keep a prototype, has destroyed any credibility you may have had, and with it your value to Canon and they'd cut you off),

-or-

3) You're a liar.

Anyone who's been following this forum for a while knows which one of the above is correct.

 

[pedro]

Latest informationen from Canon Japan:

The new EOS 1 body will have two CF card slots (none of them are CFast slots).

Don´t expect a big megapixel camera or a medium format camera in 2014. But expect more than 18 megapixels, dual pixel tech., a bigger camera display and better IQ.

Canon Japan drop hints on future EOS 1 body? Seriously?

The CR Oracle (albeit with a rather low success rate) has spoken : ... now it is for Canon to deliver.

BTW, Correct me if I'm wrong ... doesn't the current EOS-1DX have two CF card slots? so what is this "new" stuff are you talking about?

M.S.T. seems to have a german or a german swiss background or maybe it's the netherlands or skandinavia, based on the quote: latest informationen...

 

[J.R.]

I don´t need to talk about new gear because I have it.

If you 'don't need to talk' about it, why are you constantly doing so? The possible answers are:

1) You have new/prototype gear, and you can't talk about it because you signed an NDA (but if that were true, public blabbing like this would mean Canon would cut you off),

2) You have new/prototype gear, and Canon has authorized you to 'leak' information (in which case the frequency of your posts and the absurdity of some of your statements, such as Canon letting you permanently keep a prototype, has destroyed any credibility you may have had, and with it your value to Canon and they'd cut you off),

-or-

3) You're a liar.

Anyone who's been following this forum for a while knows which one of the above is correct.

He cannot possibly have the prototype as he has himself said -

Latest informationen from Canon Japan:

So basically all we are left with is option 3 :-X

 

[Orangutan]

I wouldn't want to be too quick on that as a lot of the material I've seen here and the "wow, cool" means a lot of junk is praised when it shouldn't be.

Well that's a real pity dilbert, it's a reaction one would expect from an immature 10 year old, when your frustrated at not winning the argument, you resort to blanket insults in the hope that the shock factor will win you the point, it's just not how mature adults conduct themselves, perhaps it's time to take a break.

Tell me this: is calling someone an immature 10 year old an insult or could it be perceived as an insult? If the answer to that is "yes" then how is your comment any better than mine?

I think I see one of the problems here:

First, dilbert wants the right to insult others, yet objects when others offer retorts.

Second, eml58 did not call dilbert an "immature 10 year old," he suggested that his reaction was something to be expected from an "immature 10 year old." There is a difference: the latter is directed at the specific behavior/incident; the former attacks the person. It's legitimate to critique specific behavior; however, except in unusual circumstances, we don't know each other well enough to offer opinions on the whole person.

 

[Don Haines]

Gentlemen, please step back from the brink..... a lot of you are getting way to personall and it would be a shame if the moderators had to step in.

I value all civil voices and like to hear both sides of the debate, but only when it is civil. When you resort to name calling and taunting each other, anything good that you have to say gets lost in the noise.

Take a deep breath, count to 10, go take some pictures, whatever.... let us restore our sanity.

 

[J.R.]

Gentlemen, please step back from the brink..... a lot of you are getting way to personall and it would be a shame if the moderators had to step in.

I value all civil voices and like to hear both sides of the debate, but only when it is civil. When you resort to name calling and taunting each other, anything good that you have to say gets lost in the noise.

Take a deep breath, count to 10, go take some pictures, whatever.... let us restore our sanity.

+1 ... Well said. I agree

 

[traveller]

Gentlemen, please step back from the brink..... a lot of you are getting way to personall and it would be a shame if the moderators had to step in.

I value all civil voices and like to hear both sides of the debate, but only when it is civil. When you resort to name calling and taunting each other, anything good that you have to say gets lost in the noise.

Take a deep breath, count to 10, go take some pictures, whatever.... let us restore our sanity.

+1 ... Well said. I agree

This topic is now ruined by this argument: I haven't read it all, because I really don't care about its contents. It's a shame, because it puts people off posting who might have something genuinely interesting to write...

 

[Woody]

All this fuss over some CR1 rumor from NL? ;D Not worth it, ya?

 

[Orangutan]

I think I see one of the problems here:

First, dilbert wants the right to insult others, yet objects when others offer retorts.

Second, eml58 did not call dilbert an "immature 10 year old," he suggested that his reaction was something to be expected from an "immature 10 year old." There is a difference: the latter is directed at the specific behavior/incident; the former attacks the person. It's legitimate to critique specific behavior; however, except in unusual circumstances, we don't know each other well enough to offer opinions on the whole person.

If I take it to be a veiled insult (as did jrista), isn't that enough to make it so?
Or are you seeking to define the rules differently for different people?
Surely it matters not what is said or how but how the target of the comment perceives it, yes?

That's a legitimate question, and the answer is "sometimes." Yes, criticizing behavior can sometimes be a proxy for an insult to the person; however, there needs to be a way to criticize the behavior without ad hominem. In forums like this we don't have access to non-verbal cues that could remove the ambiguity (not to mention language differences, misbehaving auto-correct features and haste) I'd suggest that it's preferable to err on the side of tolerance.

So no, I'm not seeking to define "rules," but I'm also noting that anyone who looks for insults will find them, whether they were intended or not.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

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I'm sure I won't be doing that regardless of who took them because an image might mean nothing to you but may mean the world to the person who made it. Nevertheless, IMHO it is poor form to call someone's images junk while not posting your own.

Does a movie critic need to make their own movie in order to comment on a movie?
Do food critics need to offer up their own food in order to be accepted?
And so on.
The world is full of people offering up opinions on whatever without providing their own for comment on just about every topic imaginable. Get over it.
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What i don't get is that your thick skinned enough to put yourself out there in a discussion like this, but not to put your images out there.