*UPDATE* A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]
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I also agree, that 18mpx is enough. But seeing 20 wouldn't hurt. After selling my 7D to obtain a 5Dmk3, I'm in sore need of a crop body. I didn't like the rebels feel at all. Gues I'm a bit spoiled. I will wait and see on this one since I'm good with my 5Dmk3 for now and if it doesn't live up to the hype in IQ where it counts most for me, I will wait for a 7Dmk2 for Chrismas.
I also agree, that 18mpx is enough. But seeing 20 wouldn't hurt. After selling my 7D to obtain a 5Dmk3, I'm in sore need of a crop body. I didn't like the rebels feel at all. Gues I'm a bit spoiled. I will wait and see on this one since I'm good with my 5Dmk3 for now and if it doesn't live up to the hype in IQ where it counts most for me, I will wait for a 7Dmk2 for Chrismas.
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This sounds like a sweet upgrade from the 60D. I bought the 50D over the 60D because of the body-design and materials. Even though it was lower-spec in some ways. Add WiFi, GPS, weather-sealing, 6.5fps and Digic 5? I'd seriously consider it if I wanted a crop-camera..
This sounds like a sweet upgrade from the 60D. I bought the 50D over the 60D because of the body-design and materials. Even though it was lower-spec in some ways. Add WiFi, GPS, weather-sealing, 6.5fps and Digic 5? I'd seriously consider it if I wanted a crop-camera..
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+1 and built better than an iPhone, because one day we'll all shoot photos in the middle of a blizzard, lol. One of my cameramen dropped his 60D from a 20 foot jib over a year ago because the plate was loose, still works today. That's just another story on top of many survived situations in a "normal" setting.
dilbert said:
+1 and built better than an iPhone, because one day we'll all shoot photos in the middle of a blizzard, lol. One of my cameramen dropped his 60D from a 20 foot jib over a year ago because the plate was loose, still works today. That's just another story on top of many survived situations in a "normal" setting.
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Add the 19 pt AF system from the 7D to this and it would fly off the shelves. (I would like digic 6, better hi-ISO, and wide-tele AFMA also). If these things come through, the 70D will be many peoples choice instead of the 7D.
Add the 19 pt AF system from the 7D to this and it would fly off the shelves. (I would like digic 6, better hi-ISO, and wide-tele AFMA also). If these things come through, the 70D will be many peoples choice instead of the 7D.
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The camera will likely be `good' in absolute terms, if this is any indication. It is really the strength of the competition at present that is the issue.
The 7D mk ii is what I'm really waiting for. But even then I will be doing a careful comparison with the Nikon offerings. I could end up with a hybrid system (since I can't give up my workhorse MP-E 65mm).
The camera will likely be `good' in absolute terms, if this is any indication. It is really the strength of the competition at present that is the issue.
The 7D mk ii is what I'm really waiting for. But even then I will be doing a careful comparison with the Nikon offerings. I could end up with a hybrid system (since I can't give up my workhorse MP-E 65mm).
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The problem is not the megapixel number, just that Canon is using technology from 2009 in a world of Moore's Law.
That's like Apple sticking with the camera from the 3GS for the iPhone 5.
18MP is the sweet spot? So when camera comes out with a 24MP sensor with better DR and ISO than this 2009 relic, what will you do then? Stick with your 7D because "no one needs those megapixels"?
An 8MP cellphone sensor with tiny plastic optics can out-resolve a 5MP one. Do you know what a DSLR sensor would be like at that density? There is a ton of growing room, 18MP is just the beginning.
The problem is not the megapixel number, just that Canon is using technology from 2009 in a world of Moore's Law.
That's like Apple sticking with the camera from the 3GS for the iPhone 5.
18MP is the sweet spot? So when camera comes out with a 24MP sensor with better DR and ISO than this 2009 relic, what will you do then? Stick with your 7D because "no one needs those megapixels"?
An 8MP cellphone sensor with tiny plastic optics can out-resolve a 5MP one. Do you know what a DSLR sensor would be like at that density? There is a ton of growing room, 18MP is just the beginning.
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Has anyone tested out the SL1's sensor yet? How is it performing? My bet is that the image quality remains the same. Canon would probably want to announce the 70D before the SL1 is released to the public because once they realize the IQ is not better than the old 18MP sensor, nobody is going to buy it.
Has anyone tested out the SL1's sensor yet? How is it performing? My bet is that the image quality remains the same. Canon would probably want to announce the 70D before the SL1 is released to the public because once they realize the IQ is not better than the old 18MP sensor, nobody is going to buy it.
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I managed to take great pictures 15 years ago with my SLR and yet I use DSLR nowadays (beyond micro 4/3).
I managed without mobile phone 20 years ago but I use it continuously nowadays.
Technology moves on. Not so Canon's APS-C sensor tech. They are still living in 2009.
The 18 MP is perfectly fine for me and I think for the most (the last thing I'd wish for more MP with Canon's sensor tech from 2009) but hopefully they improve the per pixel quality.
Don Haines said:
I managed to take great pictures 15 years ago with my SLR and yet I use DSLR nowadays (beyond micro 4/3).
I managed without mobile phone 20 years ago but I use it continuously nowadays.
Technology moves on. Not so Canon's APS-C sensor tech. They are still living in 2009.
The 18 MP is perfectly fine for me and I think for the most (the last thing I'd wish for more MP with Canon's sensor tech from 2009) but hopefully they improve the per pixel quality.
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Funny! Recently upgraded the hard disc on my main computer, and when I got the "critically low" message today, i am feeling pretty good about 18 megapickles. Heading to the local computer establishment tomorrow to purchase a second hard disc.
The 60D is looking spiffy at current prices, the 70D seems to represent a significant refinement to an extremely fine family of cameras.
We must remember that the equipment isn't supposed to create art for us, it is here to enable us and take away as many distractions and tedious tasks as possible. It feels like the majors, Canon included, are ever converging on taking hardware-related tasks out of the creative process. Bully for Canon.
Funny! Recently upgraded the hard disc on my main computer, and when I got the "critically low" message today, i am feeling pretty good about 18 megapickles. Heading to the local computer establishment tomorrow to purchase a second hard disc.
The 60D is looking spiffy at current prices, the 70D seems to represent a significant refinement to an extremely fine family of cameras.
We must remember that the equipment isn't supposed to create art for us, it is here to enable us and take away as many distractions and tedious tasks as possible. It feels like the majors, Canon included, are ever converging on taking hardware-related tasks out of the creative process. Bully for Canon.
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So I guess you would have expected a 15GHz processor in your laptop by now?!
Seriously, Moore's law doesn't hold for all parameters, read through the science books.
Of course, I don't disagree that MP might go up at some point, though overall sensor performance is the key indicator. If it goes up by keeping your MP and improving light sensitivity, off course you'd do that instead of blindly raising your MP because Moore's law tells you.
LOALTD said:
So I guess you would have expected a 15GHz processor in your laptop by now?!
Seriously, Moore's law doesn't hold for all parameters, read through the science books.
Of course, I don't disagree that MP might go up at some point, though overall sensor performance is the key indicator. If it goes up by keeping your MP and improving light sensitivity, off course you'd do that instead of blindly raising your MP because Moore's law tells you.
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When releasing a new product the vendor is supposed to equip with its "best/newest" (officially released for other products) technology. If 70D is missing DIGIC6 then that would contribute to the bad image of CANON.
Things are even worser: the rumors are that the 7D2 would be with the 2 of the DIGIC 5s. Adding to that the modest DR that the current 1DX/5D3/6D CMOSs are capable of is very bad image for CANON.
Why do they continue with that low value for their customers in 2013? Year of versatile solutions from all competitors.
I don't want to be offered the same quality as someone buying lower class equipment targeted for the tourists:
I believe and HOPE that all that is only RUMORS. I am looking forward that both 70D & 7D2 will be with the newest and best CMOS and DIGIC technology.
P.S.: Sorry for the edit... Posted by accident before finishing it.
With the rise of the new SX280 CANON officially has stated that DIGIC 5 is a technology of the past.Canon Rumors said:
When releasing a new product the vendor is supposed to equip with its "best/newest" (officially released for other products) technology. If 70D is missing DIGIC6 then that would contribute to the bad image of CANON.
Things are even worser: the rumors are that the 7D2 would be with the 2 of the DIGIC 5s. Adding to that the modest DR that the current 1DX/5D3/6D CMOSs are capable of is very bad image for CANON.
Why do they continue with that low value for their customers in 2013? Year of versatile solutions from all competitors.
I don't want to be offered the same quality as someone buying lower class equipment targeted for the tourists:
.Canon Rumors said:
I believe and HOPE that all that is only RUMORS. I am looking forward that both 70D & 7D2 will be with the newest and best CMOS and DIGIC technology.
P.S.: Sorry for the edit... Posted by accident before finishing it.
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There is a preview of the camera on dpreview (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-100d-rebel-sl1/7). There are also test pictures. The high ISO ones (=6400) look quite fine to me. Noise seems well controlles (although it is hard to judge with limited pictures).
I think Canon should have made the 'new' sensor 19mp or so. This way people stop (intentionally) mixing up the new and the old one ... :-\
TheBadger said:
There is a preview of the camera on dpreview (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-100d-rebel-sl1/7). There are also test pictures. The high ISO ones (=6400) look quite fine to me. Noise seems well controlles (although it is hard to judge with limited pictures).
I think Canon should have made the 'new' sensor 19mp or so. This way people stop (intentionally) mixing up the new and the old one ... :-\
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... but in the 6d, the gps/wifi antennas are where the flash could go, so they are probably mutually exclusive
But you have no idea what has changed from 5 to 6, do you? Most likely it will be changes for some very specialized functions like better video af, the basic design of Canon cpus and the operating system have been the same for the last decade. The digic certainly doesn't fix the sensor.
... on the other hand, if Canon would redesign the sensor except adding phase af pixels they'd surely up the mp count just for marketing purposes. My guess is also on 9 af points :->
Still, if it's got a better noise pattern, a little more dr like on the 6d and no banding this is a very decent camera and re-adds what was cut from the current 60d, probably just what Canon intended to do all along.
siegsAR said:
... but in the 6d, the gps/wifi antennas are where the flash could go, so they are probably mutually exclusive
Diko said:
But you have no idea what has changed from 5 to 6, do you? Most likely it will be changes for some very specialized functions like better video af, the basic design of Canon cpus and the operating system have been the same for the last decade. The digic certainly doesn't fix the sensor.
EvillEmperor said:
... on the other hand, if Canon would redesign the sensor except adding phase af pixels they'd surely up the mp count just for marketing purposes. My guess is also on 9 af points :->
Still, if it's got a better noise pattern, a little more dr like on the 6d and no banding this is a very decent camera and re-adds what was cut from the current 60d, probably just what Canon intended to do all along.
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I don't get people's complaints about resolution.
Sure, there are some photographers out there who need enough pixels for an ad that covers the side of a building (a lot, even though printed at ~20DPI), or bird photographers who would rather crop on a regular basis than spend big cash on a longer super-tele, but my impression is those are a minority.
Most magazines are sub-A4, with a few larger fold outs, e.g. National Geographic fold size is equivalent to 13MP.
I don't get people's complaints about resolution.
Sure, there are some photographers out there who need enough pixels for an ad that covers the side of a building (a lot, even though printed at ~20DPI), or bird photographers who would rather crop on a regular basis than spend big cash on a longer super-tele, but my impression is those are a minority.
Most magazines are sub-A4, with a few larger fold outs, e.g. National Geographic fold size is equivalent to 13MP.
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