*UPDATE* A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

[Krob78]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

DXO tells us the sensor is useless, yet somehow people manage to take great pictures.

I managed to take great pictures 15 years ago with my SLR and yet I use DSLR nowadays (beyond micro 4/3).
I managed without mobile phone 20 years ago but I use it continuously nowadays.

Technology moves on. Not so Canon's APS-C sensor tech. They are still living in 2009.
The 18 MP is perfectly fine for me and I think for the most (the last thing I'd wish for more MP with Canon's sensor tech from 2009) but hopefully they improve the per pixel quality.

All those things are true for me as well but you're comparing 4 years ago technology as apples to apples with regard to sensor technology and you're other comparisons are comparing technologies 15 years and 20 years or more apart.. the technology will keep moving as you so aptly say, yet so many seem unsatisfied that it doesn't move on fast enough... I see the future sensors continuing to evolve in pixel density and pixel quality... let's see what we think in another 11 years! We'll probably be blown away!

 

[Albi86]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

Why does someone assume that if the pixel count is the same then the sensor is the same one? The 1DX. 7D, 60D, T3i, T4i, T5i, EOS-M, and SL1 are all 18MP

The 1DX has a FF sensor. All the other cameras you listed have in fact pretty much the same sensor.

The camera will likely be `good' in absolute terms, if this is any indication. It is really the strength of the competition at present that is the issue.

The 7D mk ii is what I'm really waiting for. But even then I will be doing a careful comparison with the Nikon offerings. I could end up with a hybrid system (since I can't give up my workhorse MP-E 65mm).

I think you've said a lot in that first paragraph Bard. Almost all Canon cameras are "good", what everyone one wants is one that is "Great" for the price of one that is "Good".

Not that I blame anyone, who wouldn't want that! It goes along with the "song of the silly" that is sung everywhere, those are all wanting and expecting a FF offering for under $1000! It's just not real, not yet anyway. I'm sure in a couple of years folks that want a FF camera under $1000 will be able to pick up used 6D's and used 5d2's for $1000 and under, it's just a matter of time...

I don't think it's silly to expect a camera in the same price and market league as the D7100 to offer comparable performance.

 

[Krob78]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

I'm glad I found this before it becomes 10 pages long. The new camera won't be aimed at any of us who own a Canon but
to future buyers. If it's got any features that are better than the 60D new customers to digital will find it fills their requirements. The forum chatter will continue chatter till something comes along to make us want to upgrade. Canon wants us to upgrade to Full Frame. We will because we have all this lovely glass and need a camera to replace what we have almost worn out or have grown out of. Some of us will go to the 5Dlll, it's replacement, the 6D or the 6Dll. I'm going
to use my 7D till it burns out. I will keep reading Canon Rumors to keep up on the various cameras as they come out so as to be ready for my day to upgrade.

Sounds like a wise choice! I have a 5dMkIII but I still love my 7d as well!

 

[tiger82]

Want to force Canon to innovate? Don't buy into everything they release. The 5D Mark II is still a superb camera and the 5D Mark III does not present such a technological leap, yet many of you wanted the latest and greatest and rewarded Canon. The 1D Mark IV was a leap beyond the 1D Mark III with video and IQ, but was the 1DX a quantum improvement over the 1D Mark IV?

As long as people gobble up what they offer; Canon will continue on this path. How many 5D Mark II owners jumped at the 5D Mark III? How many people cast aside the 1D Mark IV for the 1DX? How many T3i owners upgraded to the T4i? If you accept small incremental technology improvements, expect more of the same.

Look at the T4i, the T5i should have been the one released to replace the T3i. I expect the T5i sensor to be a major leap over the T3i in IQ.

 

[Krob78]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

Why does someone assume that if the pixel count is the same then the sensor is the same one? The 1DX. 7D, 60D, T3i, T4i, T5i, EOS-M, and SL1 are all 18MP

The 1DX has a FF sensor. All the other cameras you listed have in fact pretty much the same sensor.

The camera will likely be `good' in absolute terms, if this is any indication. It is really the strength of the competition at present that is the issue.

The 7D mk ii is what I'm really waiting for. But even then I will be doing a careful comparison with the Nikon offerings. I could end up with a hybrid system (since I can't give up my workhorse MP-E 65mm).

I think you've said a lot in that first paragraph Bard. Almost all Canon cameras are "good", what everyone one wants is one that is "Great" for the price of one that is "Good".

Not that I blame anyone, who wouldn't want that! It goes along with the "song of the silly" that is sung everywhere, those are all wanting and expecting a FF offering for under $1000! It's just not real, not yet anyway. I'm sure in a couple of years folks that want a FF camera under $1000 will be able to pick up used 6D's and used 5d2's for $1000 and under, it's just a matter of time...

I don't think it's silly to expect a camera in the same price and market league as the D7100 to offer comparable performance.

I don't think it's silly so much as in one to expect it. I think it's silly for one to expect it from Canon... I just can't see them going there. Hopefully for the multitudes, I'll be proven wrong at some point in time!

 

[TeQuillaaaA]

So it means that there is no new camera like 70d? :-(

 

[Krob78]

So it means that there is no new camera like 70d? :-(

Certainly there is. Just speculation as to how it will be outfitted... We'll find out soon!

 

[TeQuillaaaA]

I will travel to iceland in the end of june ... so i want to take photos with a new camera it will be very close ...

 

[Krob78]

I will travel to iceland in the end of june ... so i want to take photos with a new camera it will be very close ...

It will be really close since it hasn't been announced yet and it's almost May! Good luck! Do you have a contingency plan if it doesn't hit the market until later in the year like August or September?

 

[TrumpetPower!]

[T]he 5D Mark III does not present such a technological leap[....]

Erm, that's complete bollocks.

Best autofocus system of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best high ISO performance of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best video of any consumer DSLR....

There's a whole hell of a lot more to a camera than just its megapickle count.

Anybody who claims that the 5DIII isn't a big deal isn't a photographer or is just plain clueless.

It may well be the case that the advancements made in the 5DIII aren't relevant to your particular type of photography. And, if all you do is low ISO work of static subjects, you'd be exactly right.

But that's such a marginal part of photography that's already been so well served that it's ludicrous to suggest that that's all that matters.

Cheers,

b&

 

[tiger82]

[T]he 5D Mark III does not present such a technological leap[....]

Erm, that's complete bollocks.

Best autofocus system of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best high ISO performance of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best video of any consumer DSLR....

There's a whole hell of a lot more to a camera than just its megapickle count.

Anybody who claims that the 5DIII isn't a big deal isn't a photographer or is just plain clueless.

It may well be the case that the advancements made in the 5DIII aren't relevant to your particular type of photography. And, if all you do is low ISO work of static subjects, you'd be exactly right.

But that's such a marginal part of photography that's already been so well served that it's ludicrous to suggest that that's all that matters.

Cheers,

b&

So you are saying the 5D Mark III's AF and ISO performance is better than the 1DX? My point is many people upgraded just to have the latest and greatest. I would bet you 95% of 5D Mark III upgraders never go above ISO 640

 

[c.d.embrey]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

... It sucks having too much Canon glass to affordably switch camps. #firstworldproblems

Why do you have too much Canon glass ??? I'm always amazed at all the people who own lenses that they don't use very often.

Sell them!!. People always say that lenses are a good investment, so you may even make a little money

 

[Random Orbits]

[T]he 5D Mark III does not present such a technological leap[....]

Erm, that's complete bollocks.

Best autofocus system of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best high ISO performance of any camera on the market at the time of its release, best video of any consumer DSLR....

There's a whole hell of a lot more to a camera than just its megapickle count.

Anybody who claims that the 5DIII isn't a big deal isn't a photographer or is just plain clueless.

It may well be the case that the advancements made in the 5DIII aren't relevant to your particular type of photography. And, if all you do is low ISO work of static subjects, you'd be exactly right.

But that's such a marginal part of photography that's already been so well served that it's ludicrous to suggest that that's all that matters.

Cheers,

b&

So you are saying the 5D Mark III's AF and ISO performance is better than the 1DX? My point is many people upgraded just to have the latest and greatest. I would bet you 95% of 5D Mark III upgraders never go above ISO 640

The 5DIII should be compared to the 5DII, as your earlier post indicated. Why are you now comparing it to the 1DX?

That would make for an interesting poll to see how 5DIII users use the camera. Over 25% of the shots I keep are at ISO 3200 or above.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

So you are saying the 5D Mark III's AF and ISO performance is better than the 1DX?

Read what I wrote. I was shooting with a retail-bought 5DIII for a long time before you could even place a pre-order for the 1DX.

Plus, you've just acknowledged that the 5DIII's autofocus and low light performance is second only to Canon's most ultimate ever flagship camera. And yet it's still an insignificant marginal improvement over the 5DII? Please. At least have the decency to keep your trolling consistent.

My point is many people upgraded just to have the latest and greatest. I would bet you 95% of 5D Mark III upgraders never go above ISO 640

That's a bet I'd happily take. Indeed, I'd bet you that the overwhelming majority of 5DIII owners are event and wedding photographers and journalists, and a good number of them are going to be using ISO 800 on the 5DIII as their standard setting. Indeed, the set of circumstances where you need lower than ISO 800 on the 5DIII is very small -- basically, if you're printing at 24" x 36" or bigger and grain is intolerable, a rather small set of photographers indeed.

I mean, seriously. Have you ever even pressed the shutter button on a 5DIII? Or is your experience with one limited to scanning the official announcement for the megapickle count?

Cheers,

b&

 

[xps]

maybe we see this cam in 2013....
Maybe the 7D2 in 2014???? or 2015???

I´d like to know why Canon is announcing the cams so late.... Nikon is told to bring out the next model in the Summer.... then they have an actual successor of each camera older then 3 years....

 

[c.d.embrey]

Why would I pay the same price as a Nikon D7100, for a camera with fewer features ??? Will the 70D have 51 point autofocus ??? Will the 70D shutter be tested 150,000 cycles ??? Will the 70D have a 2,016 pixel RGB 3D Matrix Metering System ??? Will the 70D have dual SDXC slots ???

 

[TeQuillaaaA]

I will travel to iceland in the end of june ... so i want to take photos with a new camera it will be very close ...

It will be really close since it hasn't been announced yet and it's almost May! Good luck! Do you have a contingency plan if it doesn't hit the market until later in the year like August or September?

There are two ways:

First: I travel with my 1000D and buy a new camera possibly after the holiday
Second: i buy a other dslr (e.g. 60D or 7D) now ... i am unsure

 

[TrumpetPower!]

Why would I pay the same price as a Nikon D7100, for a camera with fewer features ??? Will the 70D have 51 point autofocus ??? Will the 70D shutter be tested 150,000 cycles ??? Will the 70D have a 2,016 pixel RGB 3D Matrix Metering System ??? Will the 70D have dual SDXC slots ???

Shutter lifecycle is irrelevant. Almost nobody ever wears out a shutter on any DSLR, let alone a consumer model, and those few who actually manage to wear one out only have to pay a few hundred bucks for a replacement. That works out to something on the order of dozens of exposures per penny, truly a rounding error.

Dual memory card slots are irrelevant to all but a very small minority of shooters, too...essentially, the only ones who care are those who need a redundant backup, and they're all shooting with two bodies anyway.

As for the rest of your specs...well, they're meaningless. What matters is the actual real-world autofocus and metering performance, not how they're implemented. If the 70D has autofocus that's fast and accurate, I don't think very many people will care if it has 51 AF points or 37 or 1046 or 5. Same thing with metering. If it nails the exposure, who cares if it does so with a seventeen gigapickle CMY 5D Hypercube Metering Method or with a single photodiode?

I really don't get the point of those who compare product specifications as opposed to actual measurements. It's like a bunch of gearheads bragging about how many horsepower their engines have but completely ignoring who's actually winning the races. So what if your hotrod has 2000 HP and that punk over there is driving an econobox with a measly 500 HP, if he crosses the finish line before you because your car is so unbalanced from the oversized engine that it can't corner worth a damn?

Cheers,

b&

 

[Marsu42]

Re: A Bit of EOS 70D Info [CR1-CR2]

I´d like to know why Canon is announcing the cams so late....

Canon has been burnt by the 1dx & 24-70ii delays, now they'll release it if it's really ready for production.

Shutter lifecycle is irrelevant. Almost nobody ever wears out a shutter on any DSLR, let alone a consumer model,

Not so: Shooting brackets (3+ shutter cycles per shot), focus stacking (10-20+ cycles) and using live view with quick af (one cycle very af action) I'm now on 125k cycles on my 60d after about two years.

Dual memory card slots are irrelevant to all but a very small minority of shooters, too...essentially, the only ones who care are those who need a redundant backup, and they're all shooting with two bodies anyway.

That doesn't make sense: Another body doesn't protect you from card failure, i.e. coming home and the data isn't readable but the camera thought it was written just fine. For many, no dual cards disqualifies a 70d or 6d as a backup body for a "pro" first camera 7d2/5d3 - probably what Canon intends.

If they want to pull some Rebel/Kiss/xxxD users upmarket they really need to up the AF.

Canon might decide last minute based on market research what existing af system to chuck in - 60d or 7d. But I'm not very hopeful, there are plenty of other tech specs above the rebels and the whole usability, Canon might think that'd be enough or they'd risk 6d upselling.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Why would I pay the same price as a Nikon D7100, for a camera with fewer features ??? Will the 70D have 51 point autofocus ??? Will the 70D shutter be tested 150,000 cycles ??? Will the 70D have a 2,016 pixel RGB 3D Matrix Metering System ??? Will the 70D have dual SDXC slots ???

Shutter lifecycle is irrelevant ...

Dual memory card slots are irrelevant ...

As for the rest of your specs...well, they're meaningless. What matters is the actual real-world autofocus and metering performance, ...

So you think that 61 point autofocus is important on a 1Dx, but irrelavant on a 70D ??? The nice thing about Nikon is that they treat all their customers with respect. Nikon has no second class citizens when it come to autofocus and metering.

In a marketing driven world, having lesser specifications won't win the sales war.