*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
So what is some of the big differences between 5DIII and the 1DX?I know price XWEHGWis one thing, but one is full frame and less money,
anyone have a bit of side to side comparison about the specs.
I am a tech newbie.
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So what is some of the big differences between 5DIII and the 1DX?I know price XWEHGWis one thing, but one is full frame and less money,
anyone have a bit of side to side comparison about the specs.
I am a tech newbie.
thanks
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Ah...tech newbie....fresh meat.......
Seriously, we don't know the full extent of what the 5D3 is going to have, but the speculation of differences is:
1 ) 5D3 will sport a 61pt AF and advanced metering system, but will not be the same as the full pro-level AF and metering of the 1Dx
2 ) Will be much lower shoot rate, approx 7 fps vs. 12 fps of the 1Dx (1Dx also has a 14 fps JPEG burst mode)
3 ) Will have some level of weather sealing, but not have the weather proof pro body of the 1Dx
4 ) Will not have the same level of noise performance at high ISO settings as the 1Dx (1 to 1.5 stops lower performance)
5 ) 5D3 looks to have dual cards, CF and SD cards, but the 1Dx has dual CF cards
6 ) 5D3 will likely have a smaller RAW buffer (temp storage of images during shooting as the camera xfers to the storage cards)
7 ) 1Dx has a built-in grip, the 5D3 will likely be an optional purchase
8 ) shutter probably be have a rated duty cycle life lower than the 1Dx
9 ) 5D3 will probably have a few video features the are not in the 1Dx (speculation here, nothing has been reported, it's just a general consensus)
There are more diffs, other feel free to add.....
Bluntforcetrauma said:
Ah...tech newbie....fresh meat.......
Seriously, we don't know the full extent of what the 5D3 is going to have, but the speculation of differences is:
1 ) 5D3 will sport a 61pt AF and advanced metering system, but will not be the same as the full pro-level AF and metering of the 1Dx
2 ) Will be much lower shoot rate, approx 7 fps vs. 12 fps of the 1Dx (1Dx also has a 14 fps JPEG burst mode)
3 ) Will have some level of weather sealing, but not have the weather proof pro body of the 1Dx
4 ) Will not have the same level of noise performance at high ISO settings as the 1Dx (1 to 1.5 stops lower performance)
5 ) 5D3 looks to have dual cards, CF and SD cards, but the 1Dx has dual CF cards
6 ) 5D3 will likely have a smaller RAW buffer (temp storage of images during shooting as the camera xfers to the storage cards)
7 ) 1Dx has a built-in grip, the 5D3 will likely be an optional purchase
8 ) shutter probably be have a rated duty cycle life lower than the 1Dx
9 ) 5D3 will probably have a few video features the are not in the 1Dx (speculation here, nothing has been reported, it's just a general consensus)
There are more diffs, other feel free to add.....
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
I hope not. I can't wait for a 7d mkii but don't want it at that price range or to have a drop in frame rate. I worry for the future of the 7d if comments around here are to be believed about merging it with the 5 series.
Autocall said:
I hope not. I can't wait for a 7d mkii but don't want it at that price range or to have a drop in frame rate. I worry for the future of the 7d if comments around here are to be believed about merging it with the 5 series.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
So, **IF** the additional rumor info from NL is correct, and the 5D3's 61pt AF and metering system IS NOT the same as the 1Dx (something I have believed all along and posted/discussed several times in many of the recent threads), this makes it all the more important that the rumored price of about $3500 be a KIT price (camera and lens), and not a body only price.
I've said several times that getting the full-on 1Dx AF and metering was not likely, based on the technical details of the processors used and the processing demands of the images and the AF/metering systems in the various cameras. The AF/Metering in the 1Dx has a dedicated Digic 4 processor. It has two Digic 5 processors to handle the 216Mpix data demands of 18Mpix images at 12 fps, plus all other camera functions. With an estimated 22Mpix image and 7 fps for the 5D3 (note that 7fps has been listed here but NL has 6fps listed currently), that's a 154Mpix load for what would be a single Digic 5, assuming the AF is full 1Dx and needs the Digic 4 as in that camera. There is no way that Canon puts 3 processors in the 5D3, no room in the body for it (see the 1Dx circuit board), and no way they will incur that manufacturing cost in this camera.
That being the case, I fully expect to see a dual Digic 5 in the 5D3 handling the image needs and this 61pt "simplified" AF/Metering system now noted on the NL web site. This makes perfect technical and marketing sense to Canon and fits their track record.
Some folks here are going to be disappointed by this, but honestly, was it realistic to expect Canon to do anything other than this? To expect the full 1Dx AF and metering based on their clear track record of camera differentiation, regardless of what Nikon does, was just dreaming. And don't expect a kit with the new 24-70 f/2.8 L II for $3500 either....some people here are floating that lead balloon, I have no idea what they are smoking thinking a $2300 lens plus a $2700-$3000 camera body will sell in a $3500 kit. Here's another news flash: it won't have a mirror lockup button either kids.
Of course, depending on what we see in the actual announcement and spec sheet, if the camera comes in with an AF and metering mix of the 7D-1D4-1Dx, has a 7fps frame rate, the 7D nimble handling and convenience features, and decent weather sealing, with a body only price under $3k, I'll give it some serious consideration. I was fine with a $2999 price from the start for a feature set like this. However, I'm still leaning towards a 1Dx as a solid workhorse that covers all of my shooting needs and selling my 5D2 w/grip and batteries.
I would not consider a 5D3 as I listed above for the $3500 price if that were body alone, that would seal the deal for a 1Dx by EOY for me. The price point for consideration is $3k or under for a body only with that feature set above. I'd rather save for a 1Dx and spend the extra $$$ on a camera that serves a wider set of needs and will be business depreciated over 5 years before selling and replacing.
As for video, I will admit to the following:
1) I have an interest in that for business purposes but know nothing about it
2) I have used the video options on the 5D2 and 7D I own once in the past two years
3) If I'm going to add video to my work, I'll probably get a camera made for that, such as the forth coming 4K DSLR
So whatever video features are included, they aren't a factor to my decision. I can understand if others have a desire for them, and I'm fine with that being included in the 5D3....it will enable me to learn before expanding to a more specific camera for that work.
So, **IF** the additional rumor info from NL is correct, and the 5D3's 61pt AF and metering system IS NOT the same as the 1Dx (something I have believed all along and posted/discussed several times in many of the recent threads), this makes it all the more important that the rumored price of about $3500 be a KIT price (camera and lens), and not a body only price.
I've said several times that getting the full-on 1Dx AF and metering was not likely, based on the technical details of the processors used and the processing demands of the images and the AF/metering systems in the various cameras. The AF/Metering in the 1Dx has a dedicated Digic 4 processor. It has two Digic 5 processors to handle the 216Mpix data demands of 18Mpix images at 12 fps, plus all other camera functions. With an estimated 22Mpix image and 7 fps for the 5D3 (note that 7fps has been listed here but NL has 6fps listed currently), that's a 154Mpix load for what would be a single Digic 5, assuming the AF is full 1Dx and needs the Digic 4 as in that camera. There is no way that Canon puts 3 processors in the 5D3, no room in the body for it (see the 1Dx circuit board), and no way they will incur that manufacturing cost in this camera.
That being the case, I fully expect to see a dual Digic 5 in the 5D3 handling the image needs and this 61pt "simplified" AF/Metering system now noted on the NL web site. This makes perfect technical and marketing sense to Canon and fits their track record.
Some folks here are going to be disappointed by this, but honestly, was it realistic to expect Canon to do anything other than this? To expect the full 1Dx AF and metering based on their clear track record of camera differentiation, regardless of what Nikon does, was just dreaming. And don't expect a kit with the new 24-70 f/2.8 L II for $3500 either....some people here are floating that lead balloon, I have no idea what they are smoking thinking a $2300 lens plus a $2700-$3000 camera body will sell in a $3500 kit. Here's another news flash: it won't have a mirror lockup button either kids.
Of course, depending on what we see in the actual announcement and spec sheet, if the camera comes in with an AF and metering mix of the 7D-1D4-1Dx, has a 7fps frame rate, the 7D nimble handling and convenience features, and decent weather sealing, with a body only price under $3k, I'll give it some serious consideration. I was fine with a $2999 price from the start for a feature set like this. However, I'm still leaning towards a 1Dx as a solid workhorse that covers all of my shooting needs and selling my 5D2 w/grip and batteries.
I would not consider a 5D3 as I listed above for the $3500 price if that were body alone, that would seal the deal for a 1Dx by EOY for me. The price point for consideration is $3k or under for a body only with that feature set above. I'd rather save for a 1Dx and spend the extra $$$ on a camera that serves a wider set of needs and will be business depreciated over 5 years before selling and replacing.
As for video, I will admit to the following:
1) I have an interest in that for business purposes but know nothing about it
2) I have used the video options on the 5D2 and 7D I own once in the past two years
3) If I'm going to add video to my work, I'll probably get a camera made for that, such as the forth coming 4K DSLR
So whatever video features are included, they aren't a factor to my decision. I can understand if others have a desire for them, and I'm fine with that being included in the 5D3....it will enable me to learn before expanding to a more specific camera for that work.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
No, you think that because you desperately want a 7DII. The 7D is only 2 years old, the 5DII is going on 4 years old, and the thing is CR3 for the next 5D. And it's repeatedly said "full frame"
Autocall said:
No, you think that because you desperately want a 7DII. The 7D is only 2 years old, the 5DII is going on 4 years old, and the thing is CR3 for the next 5D. And it's repeatedly said "full frame"
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
The only problem I see with that is that Canon said they want to keep the 5D2 in the lineup, and if the 5D3 were only $2500 it seems like no one would buy anymore 5D2's. The specs aren't that far off from the 1DX and that's a $6k+ camera, I don't see why you would expect it to be $4000 less.
Canon knows that this is the most anticipated camera of all time (or at least one of them) and that they will sell out no matter what they charge for it. I'll pay $4000 all day I dont give a S___.
sublime LightWorks said:
The only problem I see with that is that Canon said they want to keep the 5D2 in the lineup, and if the 5D3 were only $2500 it seems like no one would buy anymore 5D2's. The specs aren't that far off from the 1DX and that's a $6k+ camera, I don't see why you would expect it to be $4000 less.
Canon knows that this is the most anticipated camera of all time (or at least one of them) and that they will sell out no matter what they charge for it. I'll pay $4000 all day I dont give a S___.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
The only thing you should worry about is your own sanity if you start believing comments on this forum.
The 7D has not only been a very good seller for Canon, but customer satisfaction is extremely high. Most of the talk about merging lines, eliminating the 7D etc. etc. comes from people with an agenda. There will be a 7DII, it will be APS-C and it will be fantastic. The only thing I wonder about is if there will be a 7DX as well with an integrated grip, fully-sealed body, etc. etc. to give the former 1D owners a 1.6 crop factor to replace the old APS-H format.
surfing_geek said:
The only thing you should worry about is your own sanity if you start believing comments on this forum.
The 7D has not only been a very good seller for Canon, but customer satisfaction is extremely high. Most of the talk about merging lines, eliminating the 7D etc. etc. comes from people with an agenda. There will be a 7DII, it will be APS-C and it will be fantastic. The only thing I wonder about is if there will be a 7DX as well with an integrated grip, fully-sealed body, etc. etc. to give the former 1D owners a 1.6 crop factor to replace the old APS-H format.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Agreed.
5D3 will be considered the next generation for the 5D line, with the much needed improvements. Hence, it will be compared with Nikon's D800, and NOT with the 1DX. Don't forget, that 1DX is the top-of-the-line model, which completes with Nikon's D4. That is how it works. Nikon has done the same, by improving D700 to their new D800, with their much needed improvements. Still, the MSRP should stay close to the previous model, for the product line to continue its success. Keep in mind that the number of buyers who are willing to pay almost any price for an improved camera (i.e. super rich hobbyists, or Pros) are very limited, and I don't think that Canon is only targetting that Select Group. And that Select Group, may even end up getting the 1DX or D4, anyways. The larger masses would be the real target group.
So, I repeat: $3,500 MSRP would be considered reasonable for a KIT Price (Camera and Lens), to include perhaps the EF 24-105 L IS II lens.
sublime LightWorks said:So, **IF** the additional rumor info from NL is correct, and the 5D3's 61pt AF and metering system IS NOT the same as the 1Dx (something I have believed all along and posted/discussed several times in many of the recent threads), this makes it all the more important that the rumored price of about $3500 be a KIT price (camera and lens), and not a body only price.
I've said several times that getting the full-on 1Dx AF and metering was not likely, based on the technical details of the processors used and the processing demands of the images and the AF/metering systems in the various cameras. The AF/Metering in the 1Dx has a dedicated Digic 4 processor. It has two Digic 5 processors to handle the 216Mpix data demands of 18Mpix images at 12 fps, plus all other camera functions. With an estimated 22Mpix image and 7 fps for the 5D3 (note that 7fps has been listed here but NL has 6fps listed currently), that's a 154Mpix load for what would be a single Digic 5, assuming the AF is full 1Dx and needs the Digic 4 as in that camera. There is no way that Canon puts 3 processors in the 5D3, no room in the body for it (see the 1Dx circuit board), and no way they will incur that manufacturing cost in this camera.
That being the case, I fully expect to see a dual Digic 5 in the 5D3 handling the image needs and this 61pt "simplified" AF/Metering system now noted on the NL web site. This makes perfect technical and marketing sense to Canon and fits their track record.
Some folks here are going to be disappointed by this, but honestly, was it realistic to expect Canon to do anything other than this? To expect the full 1Dx AF and metering based on their clear track record of camera differentiation, regardless of what Nikon does, was just dreaming. And don't expect a kit with the new 24-70 f/2.8 L II for $3500 either....some people here are floating that lead balloon, I have no idea what they are smoking thinking a $2300 lens plus a $2700-$3000 camera body will sell in a $3500 kit. Here's another news flash: it won't have a mirror lockup button either kids.
I would not consider a 5D3 as I listed above for the $3500 price if that were body alone, that would seal the deal for a 1Dx by EOY for me. The price point for consideration is $3k or under for a body only with that feature set above. I'd rather save for a 1Dx and spend the extra $$$ on a camera that serves a wider set of needs and will be business depreciated over 5 years before selling and replacing.
Agreed.
5D3 will be considered the next generation for the 5D line, with the much needed improvements. Hence, it will be compared with Nikon's D800, and NOT with the 1DX. Don't forget, that 1DX is the top-of-the-line model, which completes with Nikon's D4. That is how it works. Nikon has done the same, by improving D700 to their new D800, with their much needed improvements. Still, the MSRP should stay close to the previous model, for the product line to continue its success. Keep in mind that the number of buyers who are willing to pay almost any price for an improved camera (i.e. super rich hobbyists, or Pros) are very limited, and I don't think that Canon is only targetting that Select Group. And that Select Group, may even end up getting the 1DX or D4, anyways. The larger masses would be the real target group.
So, I repeat: $3,500 MSRP would be considered reasonable for a KIT Price (Camera and Lens), to include perhaps the EF 24-105 L IS II lens.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Different Cameras catering to different markets. Why do people keep wanting to merge these 2? Think Crop factor and reach, think EF vs EF-S lenses and investment thereof. It just won't happen.
However if you are alluding to them dropping the 7D.. and upgrading the 70D, that seems more feasible than merging 5d/7d (though still not feasible) .... however if anything needs to go, the xxD and xxxD lines need to merge since there already is an entry xxxxD line. 4 lines in APS-C is 1 line too much IMHO.
Autocall said:
Different Cameras catering to different markets. Why do people keep wanting to merge these 2? Think Crop factor and reach, think EF vs EF-S lenses and investment thereof. It just won't happen.
However if you are alluding to them dropping the 7D.. and upgrading the 70D, that seems more feasible than merging 5d/7d (though still not feasible) .... however if anything needs to go, the xxD and xxxD lines need to merge since there already is an entry xxxxD line. 4 lines in APS-C is 1 line too much IMHO.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
I'm sorry, but where did I post $2500? I can't seem to find that in my posting.....
By your logic, the T4i should be $2000. I mean Canon has the T2i and T3i still in the lineup, right?
And if I'm not mistaken, the 5D2 beat the 1DsIII for image quality, had video, and bunch of other cool stuff, yet it costs $7000+ less.
Feel free to pay $4000....I won't stop you.
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Axilrod said:
I'm sorry, but where did I post $2500? I can't seem to find that in my posting.....
By your logic, the T4i should be $2000. I mean Canon has the T2i and T3i still in the lineup, right?
And if I'm not mistaken, the 5D2 beat the 1DsIII for image quality, had video, and bunch of other cool stuff, yet it costs $7000+ less.
Feel free to pay $4000....I won't stop you.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Personally, I don't think that people will quote a kit price in their conjecture, especially since there have been no [CR3] mentions of what lens will be included with the kit. As far as we know, it could even be the new EF 24-70 f/2.8L II, which would make the kit easily over $4500.
Personally, I don't think that people will quote a kit price in their conjecture, especially since there have been no [CR3] mentions of what lens will be included with the kit. As far as we know, it could even be the new EF 24-70 f/2.8L II, which would make the kit easily over $4500.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
The CR3 itself did seem rather more vague about the price than the specs/release date though.
Chewy734 said:
The CR3 itself did seem rather more vague about the price than the specs/release date though.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Latest rumor provided by Northlight Images:
"Although the AF in the 5D2 replacement is based on the same sensor layout as the 1D X, it is a 'simplified' version. The dual card setup of the camera is specifically aimed at video users"
So no pro AF then?.. Nikon D800 gets pro af AND pro weather sealing.
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html
Latest rumor provided by Northlight Images:
"Although the AF in the 5D2 replacement is based on the same sensor layout as the 1D X, it is a 'simplified' version. The dual card setup of the camera is specifically aimed at video users"
So no pro AF then?.. Nikon D800 gets pro af AND pro weather sealing.
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
I think you are mistaken there .... apart from the video and high iso (max 3200) the 1Ds3 is in the field is by far the better camera - it has the pro AF and metering for a start and there is the series 1 weather proofing ...
sublime LightWorks said:
I think you are mistaken there .... apart from the video and high iso (max 3200) the 1Ds3 is in the field is by far the better camera - it has the pro AF and metering for a start and there is the series 1 weather proofing ...
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