*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[great9]

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So people will need to buy the fastest CF cards for 4K filming.

 

[coldsweat]

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At 30MP a full frame has about the same sensing pixel size similar to the 20.2MP of the 7DII.

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A 30 mp FF has the same pixel pitch as an 11.7 Canon crop surely ?

Correct - I think the OP forgot to do the square root part of the math. IIRC doesn't the 7D2 have the approximate pixel pitch of the 5DS?? So roughly 20mp on APS-C = 50mp on Full Frame

 

[GuyF]

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The ONLY thing that does my nut in a little with the 1DX2 is that shutter NOISE!

The 1DX2 "silent" shutter really isn't so bad. Any wildlife will know there's a human mooching around so a slightly less quiet shutter isn't too much of a problem. You could always video things and grab a frame if noise is the deal breaker. So far the full 14fps hasn't spooked any wildlife for me yet. Maybe my local wildlife is used to the sound of gunfire.

I was also thinking that the 5D3 replacement would be better for my needs but the 1-series gives so many benefits - better at driving big whites, spot metering linked to AF point and so on. I bit the bullet and traded in the 5D3 and got 24mths interest free on the balance. Plus, if the rumours are to be believed, prices might go up in a day or two - certainly the price of Canon's lenses have gone up recently.

Unless you need 30mp (I wouldn't mind their 120mp thing if it ever comes out), the 1DX2 will give higher fps, lower noise at low ISO and similar noise at higher ISO to the mk1 due to the way Canon now impliment their digital converters, the knowledge you can use it as a small hammer if needed etc. Plus JPEGs straight out of the camera look great (though web opinions do vary).

You live once, buy the best you can afford.

 

[arthurbikemad]

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The ONLY thing that does my nut in a little with the 1DX2 is that shutter NOISE!

The 1DX2 "silent" shutter really isn't so bad. Any wildlife will know there's a human mooching around so a slightly less quiet shutter isn't too much of a problem. You could always video things and grab a frame if noise is the deal breaker. So far the full 14fps hasn't spooked any wildlife for me yet. Maybe my local wildlife is used to the sound of gunfire.

I was also thinking that the 5D3 replacement would be better for my needs but the 1-series gives so many benefits - better at driving big whites, spot metering linked to AF point and so on. I bit the bullet and traded in the 5D3 and got 24mths interest free on the balance. Plus, if the rumours are to be believed, prices might go up in a day or two - certainly the price of Canon's lenses have gone up recently.

Unless you need 30mp (I wouldn't mind their 120mp thing if it ever comes out), the 1DX2 will give higher fps, lower noise at low ISO and similar noise at higher ISO to the mk1 due to the way Canon now impliment their digital converters, the knowledge you can use it as a small hammer if needed etc. Plus JPEGs straight out of the camera look great (though web opinions do vary).

You live once, buy the best you can afford.

Good info thanks I not long got a 500/4 Mk2, I'd like to pair it with the 1DX2 for speed/fps, ISO/noise and AF, I have been a little disappointed of late with AF tracking, low and high ISO noise on my 5D3 , I'd like to de-grip the 5D3 and use it as a small walk about with my 24-70/2.8ii and others like 11-24 etc, kind of lighter weight backpacking etc, however I know IF I jumped on the 1DX2 I expect the 5D3 will end up on eBay haha, closely followed by an order for a 5D4 lolol

 

[masterpix]

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At 30MP a full frame has about the same sensing pixel size similar to the 20.2MP of the 7DII.

?

A 30 mp FF has the same pixel pitch as an 11.7 Canon crop surely ?

Not really. For the sake of the argument: the 7DII sensor pixel size is 4.1microns*4.1microns (canon web page) where the new 5D is about 5.1microns*5.1microns (estimated calculation), ratio of 25 to 16 or about 1.5 more light for each sensor pixel. On the other hand, the former 5D is 6.25microns*6.25microns (canon web page) which is about 1.5 times more that of the new 5D. It is more that twice the light er pixel compared the 7DII. SO the question about noise is still valid...

 

[adhocphotographer]

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Hmmmm,

This is underwhelming.... it's odd the 5DIV won't match the 1DX2 for video.... videographers, don't care for the larger body, or the FPS...

I'm hoping this is a prototype for photo features, and that they do have a CFast version with better video features... Video is turning into a hefty chunk of my work, and it might be I go for the 1DXII after all!

Lets wait and see, more will come out in a week (or less), i'm sure!

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

At 30MP a full frame has about the same sensing pixel size similar to the 20.2MP of the 7DII.

?

A 30 mp FF has the same pixel pitch as an 11.7 Canon crop surely ?

Not really. For the sake of the argument: the 7DII sensor pixel size is 4.1microns*4.1microns (canon web page) where the new 5D is about 5.1microns*5.1microns (estimated calculation), ratio of 25 to 16 or about 1.5 more light for each sensor pixel. On the other hand, the former 5D is 6.25microns*6.25microns (canon web page) which is about 1.5 times more that of the new 5D. It is more that twice the light er pixel compared the 7DII. SO the question about noise is still valid...

Given sensor resolution
6750x4500 = 30.38MP

pixel pitch is
36,000/6750 = 5.3micron

Pixel size is an oversimplification. Here are a few other factors:
-how efficient are the microlenses?
-how stringent is the Color-Filter-Array?
-how absorbent/reflective is the sensor material?
-what is the quantum efficiency?
-does it have on-sensor ADC

 

[E]

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Given my own reaction, and a lot of others here, maybe Canon is wise not to give us what we want in the Mark IV. Enough of us seem to be possible to push into buying the 1D X Mark II instead...

We'll see what happens, when Mark IV is actually released, and we know what is true.

 

[TAF]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

The ONLY thing that does my nut in a little with the 1DX2 is that shutter NOISE!

The 1DX2 "silent" shutter really isn't so bad. Any wildlife will know there's a human mooching around so a slightly less quiet shutter isn't too much of a problem. You could always video things and grab a frame if noise is the deal breaker. So far the full 14fps hasn't spooked any wildlife for me yet. Maybe my local wildlife is used to the sound of gunfire.

If you have USM lenses and allow them to auto focus, you've already given away the game before you ever release the shutter.

The loudest sound I could measure from my 5D3 was the USM focus motor. I seem to recall it was at 30 kHz, which is well within the audible range for many animals (house cats in my specific case). Worse yet, the mirror clean vibration, while much higher in frequency (around 100 kHz if I remember right), was equally loud and audible to my cats.

So simply turning on the camera and focusing has already alerted the target. If they stick around, the mirror slapping will merely confirm to them you're one of those humans...

 

[PureClassA]

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A big part of me is still hoping Canon surprises up with the 5 body split. 5D4 and 5DC. 5DC arrives with a lower MP sensor more geared at 4k and HD that can at least sling out via HDMI all the 60p 4k and 120p HD. I imagine the lack of internal recording for those speeds would alleviate a great deal of the procesing burden, letting an external device like a Ninja Flame handle the encoding and recording. Everyone is happy.

 

[theclick19]

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Will a low pass filter be on the 5D mk iv?

 

[privatebydesign]

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Will a low pass filter be on the 5D mk iv?

Given Canon's extremely conservative approach I would expect it to have an AA filter.

 

[gsealy]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

A big part of me is still hoping Canon surprises up with the 5 body split. 5D4 and 5DC. 5DC arrives with a lower MP sensor more geared at 4k and HD that can at least sling out via HDMI all the 60p 4k and 120p HD. I imagine the lack of internal recording for those speeds would alleviate a great deal of the procesing burden, letting an external device like a Ninja Flame handle the encoding and recording. Everyone is happy.

It seems to me that Canon's (and other camera manufacturers) architectural philosophy is somewhat stilted. Yeah, I know people will say they are in the camera business, making money, and you are not. I get that. The thing is that a 5D4 and a "5DC" are essentially the same camera body, but with different features. So then, why not have a base 5D model, and then have additional features/software that can be purchased initially or in the future? A lot of stills-only photographers could care less about video, so why should they bear the burden of the extra cost? At the same time, I would gladly pay for additional video features that we see with Magic Lantern or for external recording with a better codec. Canon designs their cameras as a complete package at a given point in time, and there are very few firmware updates, and precious few feature additions. But the camera could be constructed with a more flexible design with software extensions and plugins available (at a price) for those people who want them.

 

[tpatana]

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Hmmmm,

This is underwhelming.... it's odd the 5DIV won't match the 1DX2 for video.... videographers, don't care for the larger body, or the FPS...

I'm still holding on to the hope about better video, as one old interview (6 months?) mentioned that 5D4 will be better than 1DX2 in terms of video.

 

[unfocused]

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...So then, why not have a base 5D model, and then have additional features/software that can be purchased initially or in the future? A lot of stills-only photographers could care less about video, so why should they bear the burden of the extra cost? At the same time, I would gladly pay for additional video features that we see with Magic Lantern or for external recording with a better codec. Canon designs their cameras as a complete package at a given point in time, and there are very few firmware updates, and precious few feature additions. But the camera could be constructed with a more flexible design with software extensions and plugins available (at a price) for those people who want them.

This is not a bad idea. Although I have no idea how difficult it might be to implement. The problem I see is that we don't know what features require hardware to implement them and what features are so inexpensive to add that it doesn't make sense not to include them.

There is a general consensus that basic video features add nothing to the cost of a camera and in fact actually reduce the overall cost, because it expands the sales base and DSLRs are at heart video machines anyway. So removing video from a stills camera is not going to save money.

On the other hand, there may be some specific video- or stills-oriented features that could be offered as software upgrades for a nominal price. Of course, cameras are designed as whole units and presumably, Canon makes as efficient use of the processing power as they can, so who knows if there is much "headroom" to add additional applications.

 

[3kramd5]

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A big part of me is still hoping Canon surprises up with the 5 body split. 5D4 and 5DC. 5DC arrives with a lower MP sensor more geared at 4k and HD that can at least sling out via HDMI all the 60p 4k and 120p HD. I imagine the lack of internal recording for those speeds would alleviate a great deal of the procesing burden, letting an external device like a Ninja Flame handle the encoding and recording. Everyone is happy.

It seems to me that Canon's (and other camera manufacturers) architectural philosophy is somewhat stilted. Yeah, I know people will say they are in the camera business, making money, and you are not. I get that. The thing is that a 5D4 and a "5DC" are essentially the same camera body, but with different features. So then, why not have a base 5D model, and then have additional features/software that can be purchased initially or in the future? A lot of stills-only photographers could care less about video, so why should they bear the burden of the extra cost? At the same time, I would gladly pay for additional video features that we see with Magic Lantern or for external recording with a better codec. Canon designs their cameras as a complete package at a given point in time, and there are very few firmware updates, and precious few feature additions. But the camera could be constructed with a more flexible design with software extensions and plugins available (at a price) for those people who want them.

You could offer software (and firmware) updates in piecemeal (sony does it, none of them seem worthwhile to me), but the platform itself has to support both, so either way you're bearing the brunt of the development cost (minus whatever likely minor portion can be attributed to specialty code addons).

I would prefer a modular approach to the hardware.

 

[tpatana]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

A big part of me is still hoping Canon surprises up with the 5 body split. 5D4 and 5DC. 5DC arrives with a lower MP sensor more geared at 4k and HD that can at least sling out via HDMI all the 60p 4k and 120p HD. I imagine the lack of internal recording for those speeds would alleviate a great deal of the procesing burden, letting an external device like a Ninja Flame handle the encoding and recording. Everyone is happy.

It seems to me that Canon's (and other camera manufacturers) architectural philosophy is somewhat stilted. Yeah, I know people will say they are in the camera business, making money, and you are not. I get that. The thing is that a 5D4 and a "5DC" are essentially the same camera body, but with different features. So then, why not have a base 5D model, and then have additional features/software that can be purchased initially or in the future? A lot of stills-only photographers could care less about video, so why should they bear the burden of the extra cost? At the same time, I would gladly pay for additional video features that we see with Magic Lantern or for external recording with a better codec. Canon designs their cameras as a complete package at a given point in time, and there are very few firmware updates, and precious few feature additions. But the camera could be constructed with a more flexible design with software extensions and plugins available (at a price) for those people who want them.

You could offer software (and firmware) updates in peace-meal (sony does it, none of them seem worthwhile to me), but the platform itself has to support both, so either way you're bearing the brunt of the development cost (minus whatever likely minor portion can be attributed to specialty code addons).

I would prefer a modular approach to the hardware.

Modular HW and weather proofing rarely mix too well.

FW-enabling sounds good, many companies use that on many products. However, I'm sure they are afraid ML would release version to open everything. So they'd sell base-model camera and ML turns it into super-monster. -> Not going to happen.

 

[Sharlin]

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You could offer software (and firmware) updates in peace-meal (sony does it, none of them seem worthwhile to me), but the platform itself has to support both, so either way you're bearing the brunt of the development cost (minus whatever likely minor portion can be attributed to specialty code addons).

I would prefer a modular approach to the hardware.

Modular HW and weather proofing rarely mix too well.

FW-enabling sounds good, many companies use that on many products. However, I'm sure they are afraid ML would release version to open everything. So they'd sell base-model camera and ML turns it into super-monster. -> Not going to happen.

The general understanding is that the 1DX and the 1DC are exactly the same camera modulo the firmware (and a bigger heatsink in the latter) and that Canon has implied that they tolerate ML exactly as long as they keep their hands off the 1 series.

If the ML team were to do something Canon does not like, they would be litigated out of existence in an eyeblink.

 

[rrcphoto]

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Hmmmm,

This is underwhelming.... it's odd the 5DIV won't match the 1DX2 for video.... videographers, don't care for the larger body, or the FPS...

yes it's odd that canon can't shove a 30WH battery and a huge freaking heat sink into a smaller camera and make it all work.

 

[Don Haines]

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yes it's odd that canon can't shove a 30WH battery and a huge freaking heat sink into a smaller camera and make it all work.

The solution is simple..... we go back to the good old days of video where the videographer wore the battery belt and plugged the camera into it... and mount a big heat sink on the tripod mount....

Then you can look wistfully at the 1DX2 and say "it's so tiny!"......

(and yes, I recognize sarcasm and can partake of it too)