*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[deorum]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

5 and 7 frames, is a very nice upgrade, and usefull if you shot action to grab the exact frame that makes the difference (lets say its an expression, or smth else)

Its not easy to describe it, if you dont have personal experience, but its a real advantage.

In WA action shots, it makes much more difference, as your main subject may pass in fron of your frame for less than a second.

 

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

going from 6fps to 7fps (if this info is correct) really isn't that much better. If you really need to grab "THAT" moment 1 extra fps is better but it's so marginally better it's almost irrelevant. Not saying you may not get lucky where the one extra shot DOES get the moment, but if that is so critical to your shooting, then move to a 7D2 or 1DX2. THAT makes a huge difference.

5 and 7 frames, is a very nice upgrade, and usefull if you shot action to grab the exact frame that makes the difference (lets say its an expression, or smth else)

Its not easy to describe it, if you dont have personal experience, but its a real advantage.

In WA action shots, it makes much more difference, as your main subject may pass in fron of your frame for less than a second.

 

[Talley]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I have a 70D and 80D on my wifes desk. There is not much improvement from 6-7 however from 6-8 of the original 7D is nice and to 10 of the 7D2 is really really good.

I can definitely see why canon put the stop at 7fps for the MK4. Technical and business reasons. I'll take 7 and go with it. Plenty of other reasons to upgrade. Want more FPS then buy a 7D2 made for it.... they are cheap. Used market you can find em for 1k. cheaper than most lenses you would own.

 

[djkraq]

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BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

 

[StudentOfLight]

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On the other hand, 7fps is truly a step up and puts a camera in another category compared to the 5-6fps cameras.

Difference between 5 fps and 7 fps is quite small in real shooting terms (as in usable shots captured).

Please explain the shooting situations where it would make any real difference since you think it puts the camera in another "category".

I'm not saying it makes no difference at all and for some it may be important. But that will be a small margin of most action shooting (and irrelevant for non-action shooting).

You need to go to 7DII and 1DXII territory from 5 fps to get any significant boost in output results from added fps.

In this scenario (the second part of a jump sequence) there is no way I would not give up 2 fps - not if it meant only getting 5fps. I could easily have missed the change in facial expression in the spit second between shots with a D810 or A7R II.
Jump for joy by Omesh Singh, on Flickr

 

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

Actually it has nothing to do with the CFast Card. It has to do with the fact that the 1DX2 employs dual CPUs whereas the 5D series (except for the S and SR) employs a single CPU. Its about data slinging via processor power, not about the write speeds to card.

 

[Policar]

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Can't wait to pick up a 90D when it's announced with 4k. Won't be anytime soon but neither will I have the money soon.

 

[tpatana]

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So, any more on the "new feature" for the 5DmkIV that has never appeared before in a DSLR?

A pop-up DUAL flash?

How about: dedicated HW encoding IC/chip so that the video is actually super good quality, and doesn't overheat as the IC can be optimized for just one purpose.

 

[tpatana]

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Totally agree on the unloading time. Takes me about an hour to dump a full 128GB CF card (and a very fast one) onto my 480GB SSD with USB 3 transfer all the way. And I have about 75 mins between recitals to unload that card. It's tight. From that perspective, I can understand why even not needed CFast on a 5D4, it would be damn helpful. I wasn't using CFast on the DX2 during recitals either. Didn't own one. But having that extra speed to offload would have made me feel a whole lot safer LOL

Sorry but something is choking on your system. My 64GB Lexar CF 1066x dumbs all in <10 minutes if I use USB3 card reader.

 

[tpatana]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

I was thinking exactly same already few days ago, just forgot to tell here (I think... my memory isn't what it used to be... don't get old, trust me).

Basic calculations:

4k res = 4x 1080p res. (in pixels)

120 fps = 4x 30 fps

So if CF can support 4k30, it takes exactly same write speed to do 1080p120.

Next question is why 1DX2 doesn't support 1080p240.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

Sure if you ignore heat management, processor capacity, sensor readout speed and a mydrid of other things.

 

[Loswr]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

Sure if you ignore heat management, processor capacity, sensor readout speed and a mydrid of other things.

None of that matters. Can't you see this is all Canon's fault as they try to screw over their customers?!?

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

BS. I have the 1DX Mark II and it doesn't even need the cfast 2.0 to write 1080 120p. WTF Canon. I think they'll unlock those other features in the coming months. They don't want to cannibalize sales from their higher tiered cameras I guess.

Sure if you ignore heat management, processor capacity, sensor readout speed and a mydrid of other things.

None of that matters. Can't you see this is all Canon's fault as they try to screw over their customers?!?

Naturally because everyone can make a better camera in their mom's basement these days.

8)

 

[deorum]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

going from 6fps to 7fps (if this info is correct) really isn't that much better. If you really need to grab "THAT" moment 1 extra fps is better but it's so marginally better it's almost irrelevant. Not saying you may not get lucky where the one extra shot DOES get the moment, but if that is so critical to your shooting, then move to a 7D2 or 1DX2. THAT makes a huge difference.

5 and 7 frames, is a very nice upgrade, and usefull if you shot action to grab the exact frame that makes the difference (lets say its an expression, or smth else)

Its not easy to describe it, if you dont have personal experience, but its a real advantage.

In WA action shots, it makes much more difference, as your main subject may pass in fron of your frame for less than a second.

I agree with what you say, but why you assume that we are all upgrading from a 5d3? not all of as have already a 5d3.
i for example use a 1ds3 (yes its old i admit... more than 1M clicks), its 5fps,
and i also use an 1d4.
But for my WA action shots, as you can imagine the 1d4 is pretty worthless due to crop-factor, i cannot do real WA.
The 1ds3 is too slow, cause in WA action shots, the FPS ability to grab the correct frame is crucial, more crucial than telephoto action shots. (try catching the correct frame of a person that jumps above you, at 16mm with 5fps. It needs a lot of tries)

So in my case the upgrade will be 5 --> 7, which is a decent-worthy upgade. If i already had the 5d3, yes i doubt i would sell it and would pay 1K++ difference to get the 1 fps more, unless i was much richer

 

[Loswr]

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But for my WA action shots, as you can imagine the 1d4 is pretty worthless due to crop-factor, i cannot do real WA.

So a 14-31mm equivalent isn't wide angle?

 

[deorum]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

But for my WA action shots, as you can imagine the 1d4 is pretty worthless due to crop-factor, i cannot do real WA.

So a 14-31mm equivalent isn't wide angle?

ofc it is, but its a pretty new lens, and quite expensive i should add. Its not in my inventory and i dont know if it will be on my list for future purchases. why not use a 16-35 i already have and save the money to buy a newer FF body with sports features, lets say a 5d4. I passed on the 5d3, i guess now its the time.

 

[IglooEater]

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And granted, NOTHING is official yet, so who knows. Again, this is all still horsepoop speculation til the official announcement, but it sure is entertaining! ;D

Correct. Technically, even that their is going to be a 5D IV at all is not official yet. XD definitely a lot of fun reading everyone's speculations.

 

[JoeDavid]

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•A lot more touchscreen functionality than the EOS-1D X Mark II

I'd like to know more about the new sensor. From the statement "A lot more touchscreen functionality than the EOS-1D X Mark II" I'd expect DPAF functionality and the on-sensor A/Ds for slightly better DR with less noise. Hopefully the additional functionality will be things like easy zooming in on an image in review mode. I do expect this camera to be UHD 4K, not DCI 4K as one of the "lower spec'd" (at least in Canon's mind) camera features compared to the 1DXM2. That doesn't really make sense because they could offer both. It is just a crop that their firmware could handle. It was odd to me that they didn't offer both on the 1DXM2. Canon's insistence on differentiating their top cameras by simply limiting the functionality in firmware is really annoying sometimes.

 

[Loswr]

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But for my WA action shots, as you can imagine the 1d4 is pretty worthless due to crop-factor, i cannot do real WA.

So a 14-31mm equivalent isn't wide angle?

ofc it is, but its a pretty new lens, and quite expensive i should add. Its not in my inventory and i dont know if it will be on my list for future purchases. why not use a 16-35 i already have and save the money to buy a newer FF body with sports features, lets say a 5d4. I passed on the 5d3, i guess now its the time.

Fair enough that you cannot shoot WA on your 1DIV, but that doesn't make the 1DIV 'worthless for WA' (any more).

 

[Diko]

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About 10 days before official presentation there is nothing new? :-(

Every @ Canon stores around the world already have all the info most probably and nothing comes out. I could hardly believe that. :-(((((

Why, oh why? :-(