*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[Phil Lowe]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

To say that video is just a series of stills is to reveal complete ignorance of both mediums.

Hmmm...So shooting a series of stills with a 7D MkII for the purpose of making a time-lapse movie renders that series of stills as something other than a series of stills?

I don't think you've really considered the technical nature of film (or video). And let's not get into animation. It might really blow your argument up.

P.S. The attached beaver pic is a frame export from Nikon D500 UHD video (3840 x 2160). At 8.8 MP, I'm fairly certain you could make a very nice print from it. I will send you the full resolution still if you like.

 

[Maiaibing]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

We dont know anything about the LCD yet other than touch screen with greater functionality than the DX2 (although I'm willing to bet heavily the DX2 gets a firmware upgrade for this in very short order following the 5D4 release)....

I too would hope this happens. But I'm wondering, has there ever been a precedent for Canon making such a bold (logical) firmware update move? It would make allot people (who just spent $6k) very happy!

Very unlikely. Touchscreens are most likely different on the two models.

 

[Maiaibing]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

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Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
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Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

 

[Phil Lowe]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

This is why I have a big thing about Cfast and UHS-ii - At the tail end of data transfer waiting for that buffer to empty is a big thing shooting weddings. The rumored 7fps... great...it just means the buffer will fill up quicker.

The 7D MkII uses CF and SD and has a large buffer (I routinely shoot RAW + JPG on both cards). Even when the buffer fills, it writes pretty fast! Yes, the extra 10 MP on the 5D4 will slow things down a bit, but that will probably owe more to a single Digic processor handling those larger files. The 7D2 uses dual Digic 6 procs. The 5D4 should use either a single Digic 7 or 7+ proc.

 

[wockawocka]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

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Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
....

Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I think it's important to remember that regardless of the accuracy, these are still rumors and we won't know for sure until the camera is announced. Many of the opinions in this thread seem to be based on the idea that the specs in the original post are fact, when in fact we don't know. What other non-reliably-rumored features does the IV have? Is there perhaps an on-demand AA filter? How much difference would that make alongside the other specs? Most of us don't want it to be an upgrade that makes us say, "Well, that's a pretty good upgrade." We want it to be something that makes us say "Yeah, that's nice. I like the improvements," without expecting the moon. As a previous poster suggested, many of us skip upgrades, and Canon knows this. I had the Mk II and didn't think the III was different enough to spend the money. But the difference between the II and the IV is a really nice jump, and THAT is worth upgrading, even if the aforementioned specs aren't exactly the way it will come.

Also as others have mentioned, our main investment is in glass, and just as good glass gave me great results in my old 20D years ago, it gives me good results in my 7DII, my 6D for landscapes, macro, and astro-shooting, and it will give great results in the 5D IV.

Some people are focused on bells and whistles, but my main concerns are increasingly better resolution, dynamic range, noise control, and low-ISO performance; in short - the quality of the image that ends up in print. That's what I want to carry in a Canon DSLR. (Secondary to those is FPS, but if the improvement is in good IQ this time, I'd be happy to wait for a couple more FPS in the next generation of processors.) For video - I have a nice video camera.

Well articulated. +1

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Any word on whether or not the IV will have an AA filter? I sincerely hope not!
Please have a faster SD slot too

Also, somebody mentioned video will overtake stills in the future. In the wedding industry at least, I'm finding the exact opposite. Fewer and fewer couples are deciding to hire a videographer for their big day. Even if they do, the photos are considered to be far more important.

You bring up an interesting spec point I hadn't even considered. Canon I believe was rather surprised by the demand for the 5DSR vs the 5DS. While 5DS models were amply supplied to retailers, 5DSRs were constantly on backorder when they first released.

If I were to bet, I'd guess Canon left the AA filter in place. 50MP seems so far to be enough resolution to out-resolve any problems with Moire and Aliasing. I haven't experienced any myself except in one instance and it was very very minor.

I haven' seen many if any Nikon 810 users complain at 36MP either. But again, I figure Canon leaves the AA filter in. Good debate point though!

Im glad they gave us the option of both. I would out of choice NOT bought the 5DSr, the resolution difference is almost inperceivable. However moire / aliasing is a bugger to get rid of I have bitter experiance of it.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Any word on whether or not the IV will have an AA filter? I sincerely hope not!
Please have a faster SD slot too

Also, somebody mentioned video will overtake stills in the future. In the wedding industry at least, I'm finding the exact opposite. Fewer and fewer couples are deciding to hire a videographer for their big day. Even if they do, the photos are considered to be far more important.

In video the loss of the AA filter is even worse and we see most cinematographers wanting to break the high resolution down to have a more filmic look.

You bring up an interesting spec point I hadn't even considered. Canon I believe was rather surprised by the demand for the 5DSR vs the 5DS. While 5DS models were amply supplied to retailers, 5DSRs were constantly on backorder when they first released.

If I were to bet, I'd guess Canon left the AA filter in place. 50MP seems so far to be enough resolution to out-resolve any problems with Moire and Aliasing. I haven't experienced any myself except in one instance and it was very very minor.

I haven' seen many if any Nikon 810 users complain at 36MP either. But again, I figure Canon leaves the AA filter in. Good debate point though!

Im glad they gave us the option of both. I would out of choice NOT bought the 5DSr, the resolution difference is almost inperceivable. However moire / aliasing is a bugger to get rid of I have bitter experiance of it.

 

[tpatana]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

...
Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
....

Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

If that extra 14 minutes messes up your schedule, you need to plan your schedules better.

 

[AtSea]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

...
Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
....

Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

If that extra 14 minutes messes up your schedule, you need to plan your schedules better.

The point is that if there is a newer technology and better available, it should be adopted. Why not use USB2 instead of USB3? Because we don't have to anymore.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

This is why I have a big thing about Cfast and UHS-ii - At the tail end of data transfer waiting for that buffer to empty is a big thing shooting weddings. The rumored 7fps... great...it just means the buffer will fill up quicker..

On the 7D2 you can set the burst rate.....assuming that the 5D4 can do the same, that should solve your problem.......

 

[tron]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Then suddenly the 25th of August ... Canon will show a camera named the 5DX with complet differents characteristics from those written here ... 8)

or they introduce the 6D2 instead......

Or ... they can introduce EOS 5 Mk II (Remember EOS 5 from 1992?) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Orangutan]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

Suggestions:

• Multiple card readers for simultaneous download
• Download to a laptop while you drive home
• Set up an automated process (script, etc) to run the process overnight for you (both the local copy and kick-off the cloud backup)

I understand the need for efficiency, but I think the card speed may not be the bottleneck.


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[Loswr]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

...
Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
....

Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

If that extra 14 minutes messes up your schedule, you need to plan your schedules better.

The point is that if there is a newer technology and better available, it should be adopted. Why not use USB2 instead of USB3? Because we don't have to anymore.

What if USB3 cost 2.5x more than USB2? What if you already had all the USB2 peripherals you needed? What if USB3 wasn't backward-compatible with USB2?

Does it matter to you if buying a new camera will cost you an extra few hundred dollars for a card format switch? Well, actually it's irrelevant if it matters to you...Canon believes it matters to a majority of their target market, which is why the 5DIV will have CF and not CFast.

 

[E]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

If these specs are correct, then I will not purchase a Mark IV. And I've been waiting for so long. I wanted a Mark III years ago, but rumors said that the Mark IV was so close to be released, so I waited, and waited. For more than two years.

And I was waiting for the only thing that I miss in the Mark III - real slow motion in HD. Mark III already has all I need in a camera for taking stills.

I've been working with film production, and the last 10 years with distribution, and 720p just isn't a serious format. 4K is not so much in use yet, so I don't really care so much about those specs. But I'd say 1080p would be OK for an independent film maker for many years to come. But I sorely need slow motion to be happy with my purchase. I would have wanted 120fps PAL, but I could be OK with 100fps PAL.

I'm not really sure what to do, if these specs are true. I could perhaps afford a 1DX Mark II, but it's heavier and more expensive - which means it's more scary for a lonely photographer to carry around out in the field. And many tests I've seen say that it's not as good a camera as its predecessors, which is a bit disheartening.

 

[zim]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

A couple of questions about the rumoured 4K video specs assuming they are correct...

Firstly I know absolutely nothing about video, codecs, 4:4:2 (wait that's football)... etc.

I am however very interested, from an amateur perspective, playing with stills from 4K video clips, effectively super fast fps.

So firstly, Am I correct to say you cannot pull a cr2 image from video i.e. it does not shoot raw video? and neither does the 1Dx2 ? even for just a few seconds (out the box ignoring possible future ML on 5D4)

Secondly, on specs alone should the 5D4 produce same/better/worse image quality frame grab as the 1Dx2 ?

Third, would the 5D4 image size be larger than the 1Dx2's ? what size would it be, does it use all of the sensor?

I think I might have snuck a couple of extra questions in there!

Thanks for any input

 

[wockawocka]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

A couple of questions about the rumoured 4K video specs assuming they are correct...

Firstly I know absolutely nothing about video, codecs, 4:4:2 (wait that's football)... etc.

I am however very interested, from an amateur perspective, playing with stills from 4K video clips, effectively super fast fps.

So firstly, Am I correct to say you cannot pull a cr2 image from video i.e. it does not shoot raw video? and neither does the 1Dx2 ? even for just a few seconds (out the box ignoring possible future ML on 5D4)

Secondly, on specs alone should the 5D4 produce same/better/worse image quality frame grab as the 1Dx2 ?

Third, would the 5D4 image size be larger than the 1Dx2's ? what size would it be, does it use all of the sensor?

I think I might have snuck a couple of extra questions in there!

Thanks for any input

No raw video but motion Jpeg, which is nice if you get the exposure right. But the 5D3 had DNG stills from video via ML admittedly though the image size wasn't that big. With regards IQ the 1DX2 should still have the lead for video.

I can't help but think Canon are holding back on video options so their C line gets more attention.

 

[3kramd5]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

...
Furthermore, when a wedding takes up about 100-200gb I want to be able to empty those cards as fast as possible ready to copy the images to backup so I can go to bed and shoot another wedding the next day.
....

Lets see, 200gb ...
CF, it'll take ~20 minutes to upload to your computer.
CFast, it'll take ~6 minutes to upload to your computer.

And you can start editing after ~1 min. for CF and CFast alike... But hey! Some people love problems.

And some people like efficiency. My typical wedding is 12-14 hours long with 3 hours driving. Being able to hit the sack early is priceless especially when you have two weddings in a row. Sure I could take the approach like I do with my batteries, have more than I need so I don't need to recharge them again but I need to get the files uploaded to the cloud overnight for security.

If that extra 14 minutes messes up your schedule, you need to plan your schedules better.

Read his post again. It isn't that it messes up his schedule, it's that he prioritizes sleep between two 17-hour workdays. I'm not sure who anyone here is to question his priorities.

 

[zim]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

A couple of questions about the rumoured 4K video specs assuming they are correct...

Firstly I know absolutely nothing about video, codecs, 4:4:2 (wait that's football)... etc.

I am however very interested, from an amateur perspective, playing with stills from 4K video clips, effectively super fast fps.

So firstly, Am I correct to say you cannot pull a cr2 image from video i.e. it does not shoot raw video? and neither does the 1Dx2 ? even for just a few seconds (out the box ignoring possible future ML on 5D4)

Secondly, on specs alone should the 5D4 produce same/better/worse image quality frame grab as the 1Dx2 ?

Third, would the 5D4 image size be larger than the 1Dx2's ? what size would it be, does it use all of the sensor?

I think I might have snuck a couple of extra questions in there!

Thanks for any input

No raw video but motion Jpeg, which is nice if you get the exposure right. But the 5D3 had DNG stills from video via ML admittedly though the image size wasn't that big. With regards IQ the 1DX2 should still have the lead for video.

I can't help but think Canon are holding back on video options so their C line gets more attention.

Thanks for your thoughts Wocka, so although a frame grab from a 1dx2 would have less data in it (I'm assuming based on sensor Mp's) the overall IQ would still be better because of a better implementation of video in the first place?

 

[Tangent]

New Feature? /Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

So, any more on the "new feature" for the 5DmkIV that has never appeared before in a DSLR?